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Post by Jon Doeman on Sept 6, 2012 10:36:24 GMT
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Post by alqpr81 on Sept 6, 2012 13:36:49 GMT
Bang on this is CPR! I rate Hogan as well, and whenever I've seen him he's looked pacey, keen and has worked very hard. He's also quite skillful, and whoever said he was out of his depth in the Championship needs to watch our promotion season DVD and see all the games he played in towards the start before Colin decided to leave him out. He was always linking up well with Faurlin and Taarabt, quick intelligent play. I'd love to see him get a run out and I really don't see why he wont get some minutes...a player of his pace and ability could be a real impact on the wing, similar to Mackie (except Ephraim sometimes passes the ball instead of running into a cul-de-sac), for the last 15 minutes or so. I think that's where he'll be used. Also, with regard to strikers, one of Adel's back up positions is up front, so with Hogan able to play there as well we'll be fine. At least until January you'd like to hope! Hulse may have scored a couple in the reserves but that doesn't make him eligible. We're not even talking League 1 standard are we? Hulse was Warnock's worst signing - everyone makes them - and has done nothing at all to warrant a place in the 25. Ephraim has been with us for years, contributed a lot more than people give him credit for and will be quite a capable player for us in the Prem in my opinion. Just let him prove it when given the opportunity before writing him off! I'm sure if it doesn't work out this season, then we'll give him the option to move on - but Hughes can clearly see the good in him, something NW never did, and that's a positive sign for me. A lot of people cruelly wrote off Dyer, and weren't too pleasant about it either - like it was his fault someone did him in on the 1st day of the season - but he's been put back in by Hughes, and I think has looked pretty assured so far! In fairness Warnock did rate Dyer, and I still think it was a good decision to bring him in. We/he was just unlucky. But, like Hogan, I want to see them both given a proper chance before I cast negative judgement. See this is why I find it so difficult to know what's going on with him. I agree with most of that - but what I don't get from a mangerial point of view is why he has repeatedly, in the championship and the prem, never been given a proper run of games to prove himself yet is always retained. The managerial implication is that they see him as promising but not good enough - I can't see what else it could be. Not saying i'm agree, but it seems to me that's what a lot of our managers have thought. I'm inclined to agree with a big part of what Sabas was saying - if he isn't playing regularly for us he could probably be playing regularly for someone else at a decent level. But like I say, we keep retaining him but not using him, which can't be good for his career really. I don't think he would necessarily be out of his depth in the championship or maybe prem if given a proper run of games, maybe, but the point is that he hasn't been given one by a number of managers. It's weird - why send him out on loan, retain him but not play him? To me, if we've got such a big amount of midfield squad players, Hughes must really see something in him to keep him here but I can't see him getting a game either unless there's a huge amount of injuries. So yeah, I just don't get it! Would be nice to see him get a run. Also, still think he could stand to put on some bulk. Not to change his style of play, just to give him a bit more resilience, I think he'd be a lot better for it. Reminds me of Hoilett in a playing style way - attacking midfielder and very nippy but he doesn't get knocked off the ball because he's got the strength to stand up to shoulder barging etc. I think that's a weakness in Hogan's game - he's got all the potential skills but seems too lightweight to get away with showcasing them because he rarely gets enough time on the ball. I think perhaps in this case it's because Hughes liked what he saw in pre-season, and wanted to at least look like he's going to give him a fair crack of the whip this time round? I do believe it's somewhat of a make or break now though, and should he not prove himself on the pitch this season, he will finally move on. I do like that lad though, and clearly his attitude and commitment has impressed just as much as what he can do with a football - something not to be taken for granted in this day and age of mercenary signings with no real commitment either way.
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Post by alqpr81 on Sept 6, 2012 13:38:11 GMT
Dyer did well against City and looked quite comfortable with it. True, and he's certainly a lot pacier than I remember. He looks full of confidence and eager to take players on which is great. I was very pleasantly surprised by Dyer..he also seemed to play quite intelligently, and move the ball about in the right way. It's great to finally see our one season old 'new man' in action to be honest!
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Post by Sabas on Sept 6, 2012 14:03:17 GMT
Yes, Hughes probably did like what he saw in the pre-season, but the thing is he played Ephraim in the center midfield...
What I mean is - I could understand keeping an emergency wildcard attacker in the squad (eg. Fergie keeping Bebe) in case you need a miracle, but a lightweight holding midfielder?
But perhaps he is an emergency option - in case Diakite, Derry, Park, Faurlin aren't available. Say, Faurlin renews his injury (please, NO), Derry gets a red card, Diakite goes to African cup and there's just Park left.
But is that really what Ephraim is looking for in his career?
Because if you can't challenge Barton, SWP, Derry, Dyer or Tommy Smith for their places, what can you do? At least, what can you do at QPR?
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Post by gibraltar on Sept 6, 2012 14:39:54 GMT
"E-FRAME"! Here was me saying "F-FRAME" all along!
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Post by Jon Doeman on Sept 6, 2012 16:25:25 GMT
I was the same Gib, been saying it wrong for years! ____________________________________________________
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Post by cpr on Sept 6, 2012 18:04:49 GMT
Hogan ain't so hard.
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Post by Sabas on Sept 6, 2012 19:40:23 GMT
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Post by Jon Doeman on Nov 28, 2012 9:47:54 GMT
Be surprised to see him on the bench for a game Not worth a place in the 25 when we are short of strikers I agree Andy, won't even get on the bench, as they didn't replace HH, Hulse should have been put in. And no, I'm not joking Bump. Fit and doing a good job for Charlton. Crazy decision not having back up for a 30something injury prone Zamora.
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Post by Jon Doeman on Nov 28, 2012 9:51:18 GMT
hogan is your typical squad player, he can play left, right or centre midfield. he has also played as a forward. sensible choice to have him in the 25. __________________________________________________ Can't be a presence up front, seems to me we only have one of them and he's injury prone. __________________________________________________________ elmermark , he scored two the other night, maybe he's fit now, believe it or not he's a respected striker, who it looks like we'll be paying to do sweet fa. ___________________________________________________________ IMO it's no good for Hogan or us , at this stage of his career he needs to be playing. Otherwise what's it all about? Better post to bump.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 10:12:20 GMT
good looking through them posts again Jon we had more idea than a clueless manager
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Post by cpr on Nov 28, 2012 10:26:35 GMT
Some players just don't work out, Hulse is one. He scored with his cock, he scored with his co ock, Rob Hulse, he scored with his cock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 10:30:17 GMT
Some players just don't work out, Hulse is one. He scored with his cock, he scored with his co ock, Rob Hulse, he scored with his cock. It helps, the fact he is a big prick
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Nov 28, 2012 10:42:40 GMT
Some players just don't work out, Hulse is one. He scored with his cock, he scored with his co ock, Rob Hulse, he scored with his cock. It helps, the fact he is a big prick And he had a common problem, in that he couldn,t hold back, and always shot prematurely.
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Post by mfnc on Nov 28, 2012 19:44:50 GMT
was E-FRAME at west ham when harry was gaffer?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Nov 28, 2012 19:49:13 GMT
was E-FRAME at west ham when harry was gaffer? Would guess so.
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Post by mfnc on Nov 28, 2012 19:54:25 GMT
harry left west ham in 2001 and e-frame started at the club in 2004.
just looked it up, so shut up maude you donut.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Nov 28, 2012 20:47:05 GMT
harry left west ham in 2001 and e-frame started at the club in 2004. just looked it up, so shut up maude you donut. Was it really that long ago that 'Arry left West Ham? I was only 6 then......
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Post by mfnc on Nov 28, 2012 20:59:15 GMT
harry left west ham in 2001 and e-frame started at the club in 2004. just looked it up, so shut up maude you donut. Was it really that long ago that 'Arry left West Ham? I was only 6 then...... i was 33, cpr was 58 and gramps was 86, london wasnt even born
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Nov 28, 2012 21:49:03 GMT
ANS the only roll hogan will be taking partr in is handin out the chesse ones at full time me thimks
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Post by Marc on Nov 28, 2012 21:59:27 GMT
harry left west ham in 2001 and e-frame started at the club in 2004. just looked it up, so shut up maude you donut. Was it really that long ago that 'Arry left West Ham? I was only 6 then...... Blimey, I was 37!
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Nov 28, 2012 22:07:36 GMT
i was 29 and wernt on interweb in those days.
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Post by cpr on Nov 29, 2012 0:14:37 GMT
Was it really that long ago that 'Arry left West Ham? I was only 6 then...... i was 33, cpr was 58 and gramps was 86, london wasnt even born Excuse me! I'll have you know that....... I'm drinking port.
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