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Post by gladstoneparkrange on Jul 19, 2012 19:42:40 GMT
Contentious I know but feel we have to accommodate him which makes us not the well rounded team!
Big fan of traore on the left with his speed and directness , Faurlin and Diakite makes the mouth water and Mackie on the right .. Cisse and Zamora upfront, add hoilett to equation is there better options?
He has great ability as does vdv but disjoints in my opinion the team, hence there moved on as per vdv.
Your opinions ?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 19, 2012 19:51:57 GMT
Disagree, think Adel fits perfectly into a 4-5-1 formation, right in the middle behind Cisse
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Post by gladstoneparkrange on Jul 19, 2012 19:53:42 GMT
At the expense of Zamora .. Hughes loves an adaptable 442!
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Post by Guest on Jul 19, 2012 19:55:38 GMT
its all about fighting for that place, adel will get his chance to be a regular, and when he isnt that will mean someone else is playing better, and vice versa.
i think we have the beginnings of a squad that have this mind set, this has come from fernandes enthusiasm and backing, paired with hughes's managerial style and leadership.
same as i said with mackie, we have players who want be on this ride, and they will fight to stay on it.
my answer to the op? No, adel is ours. only one adel taarabt.
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Post by kempton ranger on Jul 19, 2012 19:56:14 GMT
Disagree, think Adel fits perfectly into a 4-5-1 formation, right in the middle behind Cisse Agree I think this will be our away formation and Hughes to adopt a 4-4-2 at home and if we are chasing a game he could play Johnson up top with Cisse and Zamora. |
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Post by gramps on Jul 19, 2012 21:42:23 GMT
But what about that elusive central defender?
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Post by nomar on Jul 19, 2012 22:15:11 GMT
Doesn't Hughes favour a 4-4-2 double six formation?
I know he used various different formations though. Against Stoke he played 4-1-4-1, against Spurs and Arsenal it was 4-5-1 and even 4-3-3 against Blackburn.
Hughes appears to have got in player who he can specifically employ in different formations.
The comparison to VdV is fair in that both are not willing defensive minded midfielders. Both like to feed off the main striker, take their man on and stay high up the pitch when possession is lost. Redknapp used to get fed up with VdV dereliction of his defensive duties just as NW got fed up of Adel's.
Both are game winners though and Hughes will surely find ways to accommodate Taarabt as much as AVB will surely find ways to include VdV.
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Post by Hogan on Jul 19, 2012 23:39:56 GMT
I appreciate it wasn't as a direct comparison between the two players, but i saw Fafa Van..... play for Ajax at the Amerstdam Arena as a youngster, i think it was against Groningham and he was excellent, a stand out performer, but compared with what Adel brings to the team, Rafa needs others to feed him the ball in certain positions in order for him to do what he does best, whereas Adel can do that for himself. Adel can operate as scorer and creator, added to what he began to produce towards the end of last season in a defensive capacity i believe he has more to his game that will need less 'accomodating', he is showing that he can be an effective contributor to the team in defensive as well as attacking areas.
In my opinion, his contract renewal along with the permanant signing of Diakite is key to our medium term ambitions.
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Post by gladstoneparkrange on Jul 20, 2012 1:13:13 GMT
Get your points but again .. Would hoilett be better option? Mackie dropped in favour? .. Again to accommodate? It's the all round package .. Does he make us stronger for the glimpses of genius and the odd goal or weaken us that defensively defficient and for himself?
Love his flair but pisses me off no end aswell
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 20, 2012 6:55:08 GMT
Get your points but again .. Would hoilett be better option? Mackie dropped in favour? .. Again to accommodate? It's the all round package .. Does he make us stronger for the glimpses of genius and the odd goal or weaken us that defensively defficient and for himself? Love his flair but pisses me off no end aswell Mackie is a striker/RM, Hoilett and Taarabt both play on the left or slightly more central. |
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Post by Guest on Jul 20, 2012 7:18:24 GMT
I appreciate it wasn't as a direct comparison between the two players, but i saw Fafa Van..... play for Ajax at the Amerstdam Arena as a youngster, i think it was against Groningham and he was excellent, a stand out performer, but compared with what Adel brings to the team, Rafa needs others to feed him the ball in certain positions in order for him to do what he does best, whereas Adel can do that for himself. Adel can operate as scorer and creator, added to what he began to produce towards the end of last season in a defensive capacity i believe he has more to his game that will need less 'accomodating', he is showing that he can be an effective contributor to the team in defensive as well as attacking areas. In my opinion, his contract renewal along with the permanant signing of Diakite is key to our medium term ambitions. Top post .Adel can play in both systems and is showing the discipline to do so.Last sentance so true too .In an earlier thread it asked 'What would a good season be for you' or something like that.My answer was something like 'Early safety AND Adel extending his contract would be a great season'. The boy is a genius and I'm so glad its going to be for us when he lights up the Prem.. |
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Post by gibraltar on Jul 20, 2012 8:45:48 GMT
i think hughes is gonna set up the team like this:
___Cisse___Zamora____Johnson___Helguson___
Hoilett__Park__Taarabt__Faurlin__Diakite__Mackie
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Post by sirpiechucker on Jul 20, 2012 9:00:38 GMT
Contentious I know but feel we have to accommodate him which makes us not the well rounded team! Big fan of traore on the left with his speed and directness , Faurlin and Diakite makes the mouth water and Mackie on the right .. Cisse and Zamora upfront, add hoilett to equation is there better options? He has great ability as does vdv but disjoints in my opinion the team, hence there moved on as per vdv. Your opinions ? And where does Ji-Sung Park fit into all of this? Can't believe you forgot him. As for an answer to the original question I would say hard to tell/yes/no because a) now that we have Park and with the possibility of signing Hoilett it's difficult to see where everyone is going to fit in and exactly what position everyone will play. b) if a player is in form regardless of who they are then a manager will adapt and c) if Hughes plays flat 442 then AT won't play the VDV role. If AT is out of form and we do have 4-4-1-1 then he has Park to play that role. All in all the extra competition for places means players are more likely to follow instructed roles and if there form isn't good enough they'll be dropped. If Hoilett signs and AT is instructed to play left or right wing or even behind a front man we will have a number of options who can do exactly the same. |
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Post by Markqpr on Jul 20, 2012 9:35:11 GMT
All in all the extra competition for places means players are more likely to follow instructed roles and if there form isn't good enough they'll be dropped. If Hoilett signs and AT is instructed to play left or right wing or even behind a front man we will have a number of options who can do exactly the same. It's quite breathtaking to see actual sensible squad building resulting with two or more high quality players fighting for one place. I'm hoping by the start of the season we're having this same debate about every position on the pitch. I'm (literally) walking along, singing a song, walking in a Rangers wonderland.   |
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Post by Guest on Jul 20, 2012 9:56:30 GMT
All in all the extra competition for places means players are more likely to follow instructed roles and if there form isn't good enough they'll be dropped. If Hoilett signs and AT is instructed to play left or right wing or even behind a front man we will have a number of options who can do exactly the same. I'm (literally) walking along, singing a song, walking in a Rangers wonderland. Yes, same here.With hat tilted to appropiate jaunty angle.  |
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Post by sirpiechucker on Jul 20, 2012 10:30:49 GMT
All in all the extra competition for places means players are more likely to follow instructed roles and if there form isn't good enough they'll be dropped. If Hoilett signs and AT is instructed to play left or right wing or even behind a front man we will have a number of options who can do exactly the same. It's quite breathtaking to see actual sensible squad building resulting with two or more high quality players fighting for one place. I'm hoping by the start of the season we're having this same debate about every position on the pitch. I'm (literally) walking along, singing a song, walking in a Rangers wonderland. I know it's quite something. I felt that Warnock with TF's money wanted names rather than depth whereas Hughes is building a squad. There will always be injuries and under Hughes we will have suspensions and players will lose form so we need depth. Not forgetting there is another ACN next season so Taraabt, Traore and Diakete might be unavailable for a month. |
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