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Post by Guest on May 31, 2012 20:40:30 GMT
yes, take the kids.
i take mine, they are 9 and 12, and this season i will get a season ticket for my 5 year old cos she is feeling left out.
bring her along gladstone
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Post by gladstoneparkrange on May 31, 2012 20:41:02 GMT
Loves footy and qpr but maybe a bit protective. Didn't realise there was a qpr under nines! Mine has a great left foot.
In seriousness, she would get worried with loud noise and swearing around her but this isn't from experience in family area but would be in all other areas I have sat/stood!
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Post by gladstoneparkrange on May 31, 2012 20:42:34 GMT
Guys where do you suggest? ..
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Post by lowerloftgirl on May 31, 2012 20:50:01 GMT
Hi superhooper1972, thank you for your kind reply, as i said we will wait and see what happens with the dialogue with the club, but trust me when i say that some of my group do not physically fit in the seats in the other stands, so what happens to them ? The clubs rep' who showed us to our potential new seats was there and saw it for herself !! I'm all for change, and look forward to a new stadium close to the pitch, not some mega bowl like MK Dons no atmosphere shell, but throwing people out of theirs seats with no thought as to will they fit anywhere else is a joke !!
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Post by superhooper1972 on May 31, 2012 21:07:12 GMT
Guys where do you suggest? .. i would go for the school end first couple of games, then over to the lower loft or paddocks. |
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Post by gladstoneparkrange on May 31, 2012 21:17:47 GMT
Thank you! .. Appreciated
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Post by superhooper1972 on May 31, 2012 21:17:53 GMT
Hi superhooper1972, thank you for your kind reply, as i said we will wait and see what happens with the dialogue with the club, but trust me when i say that some of my group do not physically fit in the seats in the other stands, so what happens to them ? The clubs rep' who showed us to our potential new seats was there and saw it for herself !! I'm all for change, and look forward to a new stadium close to the pitch, not some mega bowl like MK Dons no atmosphere shell, but throwing people out of theirs seats with no thought as to will they fit anywhere else is a joke !! Yeah i think if the club rep sees this she must act on your behalf, to give supporters who cant physically fit elsewhere in the stadium special dispensation and allow them to remain in there seats, others who can fit will have to bite the bullet and move this seems like a fair solution to me, good luck though but dont chuck your ticket away, who knows there maybe a waiting list one day, and you dont want to be stuck on that at number 2000 or something. |
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Post by terryb on Jun 1, 2012 7:07:54 GMT
the question is will the new family section get sold out for every home game? This is what I have previously asked/stated. Was the Lower Loft always the last section to sell out last season? I think it was & if all seats are for families only IMO they will struggle to sell out. Around me in the Upper Loft are quite a few children, whose parents pay full price for, because as a family they do not want to use the Lower Loft. By the way, I am envious of the extra legroom lowerloftgirl states that they have down there! |
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Post by londonscottish on Jun 1, 2012 7:30:21 GMT
Waiting till my girls are in teens before I take to a hoops game as would maybe put her off before! Shame.. Would love to take her, she's 9 9 is plenty old enough. She'll love it. My boy will just have turned 8 in August and it will be his third season. |
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Post by lowerloftgirl on Jun 2, 2012 12:17:14 GMT
Dear Mr Beard, Thank you for your reply to the below email which I today recieved in the post. I am sadden by your response at this stage. As you are aware you spoke directly to Mr ********* a member of our group last monday outside the box office, and he has since emailed you as requested, so a full response to the position you and the club take will be taken by our group of reciept of a direct reply from you to him as promised. But please note carefully a major point in his correspondence to you in regard to the fact that a number of our group simply physically can not sit in other stands due to the much smaller seats there. We look forward to your urgent reply to Mr ********* email, which so far has not been recieved. Thank you Mr ********** Below, clubs letter recieved today. QUEENS PARK RANGERS Dear Mr ******* First of all I would like to personally thank you for the feedback you have given the club with respect to our decision to only allow family groups to sit in the Lower Loft Family Stand. It has been pleasing to see that the BOX OFFICE has been able to accommodate so many adult supporters in different areas of the ground, however I do appreciate some fans are finding the requirement to move more difficult. I would like to assure you this is not a decision we've taken lightly or indeed quickly. We are a family Club and that's how we have positioned ourselves for many years, and even more so since the takeover last summer. We have had a few isolated incidentss in the family stand, mainly foul and abusive language, which have highlighted the need for change in this area. Towards the end of last season we explored the opportunity of moving the family stand to the lower school end, however it was decided the proximity to away supporters might inhibit the family atmosphere needed for this section. We have therefore made the extremely difficult decision to restrict the lower loft to family groups containing junior supporters, who are the club's future for many years to come. You have been coming to loftus road for many years and we appreciate how fond you are of sitting in the Lower loft stand, so we hope the offer to upgrade your seat to a 'Gold' seating area for the upcoming season will go some way to making the change easier. To talk through available seating options, please call the Box Office team on 08444 777 007 (selecting option four for customer services). I look forward to welcoming you to loftus road next season Philip Beard QPR CEO Below, my email on finding out what the club planned to do. An open response to Tony Fernandes, Amit Bhatia, and Phil Beard, This is simply wrong ! No discussion, no warning, nothing, just like a polictical party sneaking out the bad stuff under the cover of the good news and hoping no one would notice. Like a dictatorship, even briatore understood keeping the lower loft a mixed stand. You can not, and have no right to just throw loyal supporters out of their seats like this, Supporters like myself and many others around me who have stood and sat in the same place for decades, through good and very many bad times. Tell me how many families with under 8's will turn up at midweek games, winter nights, and against foes like chelsea, west ham etc, and how many were there against vauxhall motors  ?? I'll tell you, very very few. The loft has always been the vocal lung of the stadium, the home end. Your stupid dicision announced today on twitter will kill the stadiums voice. The lower loft is obviously the wrong place for a family stand, anyone would have told you that, if you had bothered to ask. And where do you plan to put all these displaced friends and families with no under 8's in their groups ? Surely you must realise that the great displaced will want to sit together in their previous groups, how will you accommodate this ? And will those already in the relocated areas want the groups of the great unwashed moved there ? Everyone I have spoken to this evening are disgusted, and in shock at this very ill thought out idea. I'm sure there will be 100's / 1000's complaining to you in the next few days as this news creeps out. I strongly ask you to stop and reverse this action before it is to late, you are simply hurting to many people, and creating a nightmare. I await your urgent response Yours QPR Loyal supporter since 1973 Mr ********** |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 2, 2012 12:43:06 GMT
Think its time to just accept you are going to have to move.
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Post by cpr on Jun 2, 2012 13:06:13 GMT
Disgraqceful, lower school end should be the family stand. Brand new and easy to ensure only families go in there rather than moving loads of people who have had season tickets in the loft for donkey's years!!!!!!!!
Bang out of order!
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Post by lowerloftgirl on Jun 2, 2012 13:11:46 GMT
Hi Rory, if we lose the battle fair enough, but not without a fight, but please tell me whats happens to the guys who cant FIT in the seats in the other stands due to height / width .......... just their hard luck ???? sorry the club have to address this !! |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 2, 2012 14:40:21 GMT
Hi Rory, if we lose the battle fair enough, but not without a fight, but please tell me whats happens to the guys who cant FIT in the seats in the other stands due to height / width .......... just their hard luck ???? sorry the club have to address this !! That is a definite problem. The problem we have here is that the Lower Loft is actually the easiest place to put this family stand at the moment. You can blame Flavio + Bernie for putting it there in the first place. I will use R Block as an example as some people in this thread have suggested moving the family area to there. If they chose to move it there they would have to move most of R Block into the Lower Loft and the family's already in the Lower over into R Block. The club have chosen the easy route which allows them to move less fans than any other way. Just think hopefully it will only be a few years and we will have a new stadium on the way. |
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Post by cpr on Jun 2, 2012 15:01:37 GMT
Hi Rory, if we lose the battle fair enough, but not without a fight, but please tell me whats happens to the guys who cant FIT in the seats in the other stands due to height / width .......... just their hard luck ???? sorry the club have to address this !! That is a definite problem. The problem we have here is that the Lower Loft is actually the easiest place to put this family stand at the moment. You can blame Flavio + Bernie for putting it there in the first place. I will use R Block as an example as some people in this thread have suggested moving the family area to there. If they chose to move it there they would have to move most of R Block into the Lower Loft and the family's already in the Lower over into R Block. The club have chosen the easy route which allows them to move less fans than any other way. Just think hopefully it will only be a few years and we will have a new stadium on the way. R block was the family enclosure, back in the day. |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 2, 2012 15:03:15 GMT
That is a definite problem. The problem we have here is that the Lower Loft is actually the easiest place to put this family stand at the moment. You can blame Flavio + Bernie for putting it there in the first place. I will use R Block as an example as some people in this thread have suggested moving the family area to there. If they chose to move it there they would have to move most of R Block into the Lower Loft and the family's already in the Lower over into R Block. The club have chosen the easy route which allows them to move less fans than any other way. Just think hopefully it will only be a few years and we will have a new stadium on the way. R block was the family enclosure, back in the day. That's why Tango and Cash are to blame, it was them that made it the family area in the first place. The current guys in charge have chosen to enforce it in a way that involves the least amount of fans having to move seats. |
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Post by lennypaulista on Jun 2, 2012 15:07:49 GMT
I think the Lower Loft is not the right place for a family stand, and such an area would be better in a paddock or the ER stand. The Lower school end is a bit too close to the away support to be suitable.
However, I dont think the writer of the "open response" did him/her self a lot of favours and could have worded it a lot lot better, as it was most unlikely to get a positive response. Had I received something like that at the school I own I cant see it helping in getting me to look favourably on the writers dilema.
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Post by cpr on Jun 2, 2012 15:08:40 GMT
R block was the family enclosure, back in the day. That's why Tango and Cash are to blame, it was them that made it the family area in the first place. The current guys in charge have chosen to enforce it in a way that involves the least amount of fans having to move seats. They didn't move anyone out of their seats though. They only did that to those who paid the most so they could increase the size of their poncy area. Still think it should be the lower school end*, that way we guarantee that travelling fans only get the top tier, any of them. It annoys me that we have less fans in the ground for cat A games and this would ensure that is not the case. EDit: Meant school end not loft!  |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 2, 2012 15:27:19 GMT
That's why Tango and Cash are to blame, it was them that made it the family area in the first place. The current guys in charge have chosen to enforce it in a way that involves the least amount of fans having to move seats. They didn't move anyone out of their seats though. They only did that to those who paid the most so they could increase the size of their poncy area. Still think it should be the lower school end*, that way we guarantee that travelling fans only get the top tier, any of them. It annoys me that we have less fans in the ground for cat A games and this would ensure that is not the case. EDit: Meant school end not loft! Personally think the Paddocks is the best place, it lets the kids be right up front near all the players to get things signed etc. Lower School End is too near the away fans for my liking, if anything kicks off it puts the family's first in the firing line!! |
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Post by cpr on Jun 2, 2012 15:40:11 GMT
They didn't move anyone out of their seats though. They only did that to those who paid the most so they could increase the size of their poncy area. Still think it should be the lower school end*, that way we guarantee that travelling fans only get the top tier, any of them. It annoys me that we have less fans in the ground for cat A games and this would ensure that is not the case. EDit: Meant school end not loft! Personally think the Paddocks is the best place, it lets the kids be right up front near all the players to get things signed etc. Lower School End is too near the away fans for my liking, if anything kicks off it puts the family's first in the firing line!! I take the point but when was the last time anything kicked off inside the ground? Also, thinking about it logically, families, ie kids, should not be sat anywhere where they can get soaked!!! |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 2, 2012 15:59:39 GMT
Personally think the Paddocks is the best place, it lets the kids be right up front near all the players to get things signed etc. Lower School End is too near the away fans for my liking, if anything kicks off it puts the family's first in the firing line!! I take the point but when was the last time anything kicked off inside the ground? Also, thinking about it logically, families, ie kids, should not be sat anywhere where they can get soaked!!! I don't mean inside the ground, I meant outside. |
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Post by cpr on Jun 2, 2012 16:11:12 GMT
I take the point but when was the last time anything kicked off inside the ground? Also, thinking about it logically, families, ie kids, should not be sat anywhere where they can get soaked!!! I don't mean inside the ground, I meant outside. Could always kick off outside but easilly resolved at the school end, away fans come out onto SOuth Africa and home fans onto Ellerslie, families nowhere near any possible trouble, sorted.  |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 2, 2012 16:13:27 GMT
There you go then, sorted. Just wish the club would see it that way. Surely the Lower Loft won't sell out next season??
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Post by cpr on Jun 2, 2012 16:19:31 GMT
There you go then, sorted. Just wish the club would see it that way. Surely the Lower Loft won't sell out next season?? Be tough if it remains members only after shifting loads but people will probably pay for a kids seat than have an empty one next to them!  |
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Post by lowerloftgirl on Jun 2, 2012 19:52:57 GMT
Hi lennypaulista, my tone and choice of words came from the heart, I dont apologize for that, I am angry, and very hurt by the way this whole thing has been conducted, I will not be made to feel by the club's rep's who have been here for just a few moments that I am in the wrong, so my 39 years count for jack ? ...... they have got this so wrong, a home end with no passion coming from it next season, and half empty seating, oh the opposition will be scared by the clown blowning up balloons into the shape of sausage dogs !! I grew from a very young age watching this team from the loft, no balloons or clowns for me, to busy watching the greats of the 70's, I and many many others male and female did our apprenticeship with the adults around us, and we grew up just fine !! Thanks cpr for your support on this !!
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Post by andygg on Jun 2, 2012 20:23:03 GMT
All this crap started because of swearing in that section.
All the club needed to do was put signs up around the family stand, saying
" No offensive language please. Anyone caught swearing in the family section will be booted out."
Simple.
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Post by lennypaulista on Jun 2, 2012 21:16:16 GMT
LLG, I too started out in the Loft at a very young age, and my son started out there as well as soon as he started coming to games, so I will always believe the Loft should NEVER be the place for a family area and should be where the "singers" congregate. We never had "family areas" when we started out!
Andy: A good idea in theory, but can you really see the stewards doing anything? When I come over to a game they seem very good at standing around and picking on the "easy targets" who stand in an exit etc rather than get involved in ejecting someone.
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Post by andygg on Jun 2, 2012 22:09:52 GMT
LLG, I too started out in the Loft at a very young age, and my son started out there as well as soon as he started coming to games, so I will always believe the Loft should NEVER be the place for a family area and should be where the "singers" congregate. We never had "family areas" when we started out! Andy: A good idea in theory, but can you really see the stewards doing anything? When I come over to a game they seem very good at standing around and picking on the "easy targets" who stand in an exit etc rather than get involved in ejecting someone. Even if the family stand was full of 8 year olds with their parents, the stewards would still need to listen out for bad language. |
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Post by lowerloftgirl on Jun 3, 2012 7:51:19 GMT
Some of the worse language normally comes from those with kids, under 8 or over, kids today hear worse in the playground or in their peer groups ! Will the club throw those families out of the LL, if dad / mum give it some ?
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Post by cpr on Jun 3, 2012 8:34:39 GMT
Some of the worse language normally comes from those with kids, under 8 or over, kids today hear worse in the playground or in their peer groups ! Will the club throw those families out of the LL, if dad / mum give it some ? Forgive me but I'm confused. You're messages are written to a bloke. Care to enlighten us? |
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