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Post by The Scooter on Jan 27, 2012 11:34:29 GMT
Sorry, but that's an awful statement. We are historically an inclusive football club with NO history of our players or our fans being any part of racist abuse. How dare the Club tarnish our own fans with Chelsea's dirty brush. Chelsea are the club with dual problems, why the hell are we helping them to get out of the mess created by their own captain and years and years of the Mears family, Ken Bates and Colin Hutchinson not properly neutering the problem at the Bridge in the 70's and 80's? It's verging on the obscene. Of course Ferdinand shouldn't shake his hand. It wouldn't be sincere and Terry's legal team will use the handshake in evidence at his trial. Horrible idea Agreed. Another huge PR own goal by the club. I wonder which idiot thought up the idea.... I can understand why they've done it. No doubt Ian Taylor and Phil Beard have been placed under enormous pressure by the Premier League, FA and Kick It Out to get something out. Also gives the Club a safety valve should any trouble kick off, they can point to their statement and say "Well, we did our bit like you insisted. Don't dare to try and fine us etc..." It's just the wording and the insinuations at OUR fans that were, IMO, plainly wrong.
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Post by sharky on Jan 27, 2012 12:17:54 GMT
BBC Sport reporting Anton currently "not minded" to shake Terry's hand.
Good on ya Anton!!
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 27, 2012 12:54:47 GMT
One thing for sure: If they do shake, it will help John Terry. (That's not to say absolutely shouldnt shake, but no doubt he will try to use the handshake as a "Move on" type...)
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 27, 2012 12:57:25 GMT
Standard QPR owner Tony Fernandes urges Anton Ferdinand to shake hands with John Terry Mihir Bose and Simon Johnson Tony Fernandes was speaking to Anton Ferdinand this afternoon in a last-ditch attempt to persuade the Queens Park Rangers defender to shake John Terry's hand before tomorrow's FA Cup tie against Chelsea at Loftus Road. Standard Sport understands Ferdinand thinks it would be hypocritical to make the gesture and remains determined not to shake the hand of the Chelsea captain, who was charged with racially abusing him during the clubs' Premier League match at QPR in October. Terry denies the allegation and the case is scheduled for West London Magistrates' Court on Wednesday. Due to business commitments in Malaysia, Fernandes cannot be at the match so the QPR owner will phone Ferdinand from his home in Kuala Lumpur once the players have trained. The club feel Ferdinand should make the gesture and let the courts decide the case but QPR chief executive Phil Beard failed to persuade the centre-half to change his mind during a meeting at the training ground yesterday. The decision by Fernandes (below) to contact the player shows how concerned the club are of the impact that Ferdinand not shaking hands with Terry may have on both sets of supporters. Since the incident, QPR fans have been chanting about Terry and the west London rivals this week issued a joint statement in a bid to ease tensions. It was reported today that Ferdinand will be escorted to and from the ground by police and that he has paid £30,000 for extra security after receiving a death threat in November. The 26-year-old is said to have installed extra CCTV cameras and panic buttons for his family and employed a private security firm run by former members of the army. With the pre-match talk being dominated by the meeting of Ferdinand and Terry, the fact there is a place in the fifth round of the Cup at stake has been somewhat lost. That is a cause for concern for Ferdinand's team-mate Danny Gabbidon, who has stressed that the players must not allow the negativity surrounding the occasion to distract them. He said: "We are going out there to play football and can't get involved in all that other stuff. We have to go out and do our job." There has been a change of manager since that fractious encounter but Gabbidon feels there is no need to change the gameplan that brought about a 1-0 Premier League victory. Rangers put the Blues under intense pressure, capitalising on the visitors having Jose Bosingwa and Didier Drogba both sent off. The then manager, Neil Warnock, had spotted a weakness in Chelsea's slow style of play and even though Mark Hughes is now as the helm, Gabbidon believes the opportunity exists to exploit that again. He added: "I don't think Chelsea knew what was coming earlier in the season. They started the game thinking it was going to be easy but when the tackles started going in from us they never settled. "It's the one thing about Loftus Road - the atmosphere is really good, the crowd is right on top of you and Neil wanted us to use that. "He told us, 'They won't be used to this,' and it worked well. We were in their faces and they didn't have a minute to breathe. We gave them no time on the ball and that is what we need to do again. We played really well in October but we will have to put that same level of effort and intensity to get a result again. "Chelsea know what to expect a bit more this time and will obviously look to put things right but anything is possible with the fans behind us." Gabbidon has his own motivation for wanting to beat Chelsea. Time is running out for the 32-year-old to get his hands on the trophy. The closest he came was in his first season with West Ham in 2006, when they drew 3-3 with Liverpool in the final before losing 3-1 on penalties. West Ham led 2-0 and 3-2 in normal time, only for Steven Gerrard to level the scores twice, including a last-minute wonder strike from 35 yards. "I think about it all the time and it still hurts," he said. "We were 2-0 up and were the better team but Gerrard basically won the final for them with those two goals because they had more experience at penalty shoot-outs than us. I have always wondered why footballers cried when they lost but after that game I realised why. I was very close to tears myself. "It is still a dream for me to go back to the final one day. It is the same for any player whether you're young or old. I never thought I'd do it once and would love to do it a second time." www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-24031569-qpr-owner-tony-fernandes-urges-anton-ferdinand-to-shake-hands-with-john-terry.do
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Post by sharky on Jan 27, 2012 14:28:49 GMT
Shake on it: Villas-Boas insists Ferdinand and Terry greet each other before race-row 'replay' By SPORTSMAIL REPORTER Last updated at 2:01 PM on 27th January 2012 Share Chelsea manager Andre Villas-Boas has insisted QPR's Anton Ferdinand should shake hands with John Terry before Saturday's FA Cup clash at Loftus Road. Villas-Boas said he hoped and expected Ferdinand not to snub Terry, despite allegations the Rangers defender was the victim of a racist slur from the England captain during October's Barclays Premier League game between the sides. The players square off for the first time since then, and just four days before the court case begins in which Terry stands accused of abusing Ferdinand.
Flashpoint: John Terry and Anton Ferdinand clashed at Loftus RoadÂ
Ferdinand is reportedly agonising over whether to shake Terry's hand before tomorrow's match, amid fears it could be viewed as hypocritical. Asked if it was important he did so, Villas-Boas said: 'Extremely important, extremely important. He added: 'This game is based on good values more than anything else. 'These players should continue to promote these good values.' Villas-Boas confirmed the matter had been discussed with Terry, who denies having racially abused Ferdinand. The Chelsea boss said: 'Everybody has been having conversations, from the top, to the players, to the manager.'
Important: Andre Villas-Boas encouraged Ferdinand to shake Terry's handÂ
Villas-Boas reiterated he would not consider leaving out Terry and said he had not felt the need to check on his frame of mind this week. 'No, not at all,' he said. 'I have to count on the player, and the player is fit and available for the game.' He also revealed he had no plans to issue special instructions to his players reminding them to stay calm amid what is likely to be a hostile atmosphere.
In the dock: Terry faces court next week over the incident Admitting there were 'extra responsibilities' to consider, he added: 'I won't speak to the players specifically about that before the game, not at all.' Supporters from both sides were this week warned about their conduct and Villas-Boas predicted there would not be any problems at Loftus Road. He said: 'The environment was outstanding the last time we played there at Loftus Road, so I expect it to be the same.'
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Post by londonscottish on Jan 27, 2012 14:54:28 GMT
Hopefully Beard and co are just making the right noises in public and are not actuall trying to put any pressure on Anton.
And as for AVB's comments about the fact that Anton must shake
"It is important they shale hands. Very important. This game is based on good values more than anything else. These players should continue to promote these good values."
What!?!?
He's either playing mind games (which is despicable) or can't see what's wrong with his statement (equally despicable).
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 27, 2012 15:09:04 GMT
I can see the arguments for why We'd want Anton to shake - same kind of arguments that were made above re why we'd issue the statement. Puts us in teh right, etc...Helps avoid possible troubles, etc.
But AVB...is THE definition of Chutzpah...I'm beginning to take quite a dislike to that man. (PRobably not worth it, since he probably won't be at chelsea very long!)
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Post by londonscottish on Jan 27, 2012 15:26:31 GMT
I can see the arguments for why We'd want Anton to shake - same kind of arguments that were made above re why we'd issue the statement. Puts us in teh right, etc...Helps avoid possible troubles, etc. But AVB...is THE definition of Chutzpah...I'm beginning to take quite a dislike to that man. (PRobably not worth it, since he probably won't be at chelsea very long!) I agree - I can see it both ways to but at the end of day I found this analysis pretty powerful - ie the boards and managers need to stand back and let the players involved decide what to do. www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jan/25/anton-ferdinand-john-terryChin up Anton. We're all behind you whatever happens.
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Post by klr on Jan 27, 2012 15:34:42 GMT
Have to say I feel very sorry for the fella, I like him as a player, think he is a very clever player & a natural defender.
The way he has been leant on by both sides with different agenda's is despicable IMO.
Let the man go and play football & stop using him as a political pawn.
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Post by gramps on Jan 27, 2012 15:38:50 GMT
Can I suggest that this thread is kept in a safe place after Saturday then it can be resurrected for 28th April and save a lot of time in repeating everything again.
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Post by cpr on Jan 27, 2012 18:48:16 GMT
It is pretty simple, we occupy the moral high ground, they occupy the gutter.
Do not lower yourself to their level Anton.
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Post by Jon Doeman on Jan 27, 2012 19:25:14 GMT
Sorry, but that's an awful statement. truly
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Post by cpr on Jan 27, 2012 22:00:16 GMT
SAY ANTON FERDINAND, SAY ANTON FERDINAND SAY ANTON FERDINAND, SAY ANTON FERDINAND SAY ANTON FERDINAND, SAY ANTON FERDINAND SAY ANTON FERDINAND, SAY ANTON FERDINAND
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 28, 2012 7:50:54 GMT
(How come Connolly is injured?!) Chelsea truly idiotic Manager once again...INDEPENDENT
Villas-Boas tells players to shake and move on... Chelsea manager wants a show of respect to cool tensions but bullet sent to QPR training ground
IAN WINROW SATURDAY 28 JANUARY 2012 Andre Villas-Boas believes it is important that Anton Ferdinand and John Terry shake hands before today's FA Cup fourth-round tie despite the continuing fall-out from the last meeting between Chelsea and Queen's Park Rangers last October. Then, Terry was accused of racially abusing Ferdinand – an accusation Terry denies – and the case against the Chelsea captain will be heard by West London magistrates' court next Wednesday, four days after the centre-back has led his side out for today's highly charged lunchtime meeting between the two teams. Tensions surrounding the game have been increasing to the extent that the two clubs this week put out a joint statement pleading for calm from both sets of supporters. Although police said yesterday they are investigating a bullet addressed to Ferdinand being sent to the QPR training ground. The pre-match handshake between the two teams will inevitably be closely scrutinised. Despite Terry's denials Ferdinand is understood to be reluctant to shake Terry's hand and Tony Fernandes, the QPR owner, was due to speak to the player yesterday to encourage him not to snub the England captain.
Villas-Boas, the Chelsea manager, insists he has not spoken to Terry specifically about the issue but entered the debate yesterday.
"I think it's important they shake hands," he said. "This game is based on good values more than anything else. These two players should continue to promote those good values.
"Firstly, it's a question of respect for the opponent and everybody should do it. When it reaches that moment, the players should set out an example. A lot of the situation has been spoken about, but it's good for the players to show that whatever is happening off the pitch, they are playing against each other."
Mark Hughes, the QPR manager, adopted a different approach, distancing himself from the issue and insisting the decision was Ferdinand's alone. "That has to be his own personal decision," said Hughes. "If he feels it is not appropriate to do that, that has to be his own decision. It won't be influenced by myself or the club. I don't think there has been any talks about handshakes whatsoever. It could change from one day to the next – Anton could wake up in the morning, think, 'What's the big deal?' and shake hands, or he might feel strongly about it and decide he definitely won't. I don't know if he will shake hands – I'm not Anton." Terry has experienced a similar situation when speculation surrounded his first meeting with Wayne Bridge after allegations emerged about the Chelsea player's relationship with his ex-team-mate's former partner – and Villas-Boas insists his captain will be unaffected by the attention. "John is one of the greatest central defenders in the world, maybe one of the best ever in the game," said the Portuguese manager. "His progression has been outstanding, his qualities are amazing. "All these players went through performances in their lives that make them ready to play in any circumstance. Chelsea players get stick from every opposition crowd. No opposition crowd loves you or incentivises you. It's a London derby fuelled by emotion, and the fact Chelsea lost there [in October] in dramatic circumstances makes it an even more emotional game." While Terry and Ferdinand will attract most attention, Villas-Boas confirmed the significance of this game to his side by reasserting his belief that the Premier League title is already way beyond them. "It's absolutely impossible in the Premiership," he said. "The distance is massive and we don't expect this record- breaking leader to lose points. They're doing their job well. We have to find the consistency to get the best position in the league possible. This is what we will try to do. The FA Cup and the Champions League, they're trophies we will try and win and hope to win." The Chelsea manager, meanwhile, has ruled out a move for Willian after Shakhtar Donetsk placed a £17m valuation on the Brazil midfielder. "It's an extremely interesting player, but I don't think we'll progress with our interest," said Villas-Boas. "Different issues, from work permit to price valuation." However, he confirmed Chelsea's interest in Kevin De Bruyne although he admitted the Genk winger was a target identified by the club's scouting network and not himself. "It's a target that's decided by the club, that I knew about for quite some time," he said. "He was under the scrutiny of the club for some time; we've been following this player. In the sense that it is the club policy for the future, it's the right thing [to buy him] and I'll do everything in my power for him to reach maximum potential. But it's down to the club in decision-making." A move for De Bruyne is unlikely to be completed this month. Sao Paulo's 19-year-old Brazil international striker Lucas Moura is also a target for Chelsea. QPR v Chelsea QPR: Kenny, Onuouha, Ferdinand, Gabbidon, Young, Wright-Phillips, Buzsaky, Barton, Mackie, Macheda, Helguson Chelsea: Cech, Ivanovic, Luiz, Terry, Cole, Meireles, Romeu, Ramires, Mata, Torres, Sturridge Kick-off: 12pm (Highlights ITV 1, 10.45pm) Ref: M Dean (Wirral) Odds: Home 9-2; Draw 3-1, Away 8-13. Last: FA Cup meeting 2008 Third round, Chelsea 1 Queen's Park Rangers 0. Team news: Mark Hughes has doubts over Akos Buzsaky (achilles), while Danny Gabbidon, Matthew Connolly and Heidar Helguson are also struggling. Chelsea will field John Terry, but midfielders Frank Lampard (calf) and Jon Obi Mikel (hamstring) miss out for Andre Villas-Boas's side. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/villasboas-tells-players-to-shake-and-move-on-6295844.html
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 28, 2012 7:55:48 GMT
"John is one of the greatest central defenders in the world, maybe one of the best ever in the game," said the Portuguese manager. "His progression has been outstanding, his qualities are amazing.
Thinking of Franz Beckenauer, Bobby Moore, Even David O'Leary was better than Terry. Errr No AVB, you been smoking some of that weed??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 9:43:52 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 28, 2012 10:03:37 GMT
So I'm guessing that after the game, Ferdinand and Terry won't be exchanging shirts?
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