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Post by klr on Jan 25, 2012 15:29:23 GMT
That part about texting in confidentiality is one of the worst, most depressing things I think I have ever read.
There clearly is no problem with Racism in football in this country, so "the racism industry" has seen fit to invent one, what kind of country is this that we are living in ?
Forget about John Terry & Anton Ferdinand & look at the bigger picture & what the real agenda is.
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Post by andygg on Jan 25, 2012 15:29:25 GMT
Are they seriously asking us not to abuse Terry?
Even before all this Rascism stuff, he always got loads of abuse at every ground he goes to, because he`s an arrogant pratt.
He is gonna get loads on saturday.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2012 15:33:56 GMT
I'm sorry Klr, regardless of the specifics of today's statement; and one can argue/debate the size of the problem. But there clearly is A problem of racism in football. (Just as it's a problem elsewhere in society). Just as there is a problem of vicious homophobia and anti-Semitism, etc. One can debate the size or significance or what measures can be taken. In football or out. But don't think it is correct to categorically deny there is a problem.
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Post by klr on Jan 25, 2012 15:40:31 GMT
There is a problem of racism in Football in Serbia or Turkey for example.
In England ? Absolutely not, I dont agree with that at all & I think the real agenda here is highly sinister, anti democratic & insulting to every day working class people.
How can anyone justify the incident at Spurs the other day with the stewards wearing headcams ?
I doubt you could even make up something more Orwellian than that, all this has the feel of Stalinist purges to me.
The State doesnt care about "racism in football" that is clearly not the real agenda going on here is it ?
Not to Communism.
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Post by superckat on Jan 25, 2012 16:17:53 GMT
There is a problem of racism in Football in Serbia or Turkey for example. In England ? Absolutely not, I dont agree with that at all & I think the real agenda here is highly sinister, anti democratic & insulting to every day working class people. How can anyone justify the incident at Spurs the other day with the stewards wearing headcams ? I doubt you could even make up something more Orwellian than that, all this has the feel of Stalinist purges to me. The State doesnt care about "racism in football" that is clearly not the real agenda going on here is it ? Not to Communism. Well perhaps the Kick racism campaign is working better than you realise if you don't believe that we don't have a problem with it in this country. Not too long ago it was a big problem and it's something that needs be constantly watched and quicly acted upon, because any lapse or tolerance could easily allow thinks to slipback to what it was like in the past. Because some may not have been experienced it. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened or doesn't need to be managed.
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Post by londonranger on Jan 25, 2012 16:24:25 GMT
Well I think they do Kir even if its about the vast money factory being cut back by terrible racist
exacerbations. Oh but no abuse at loftus rd?. Bollocks. I dont know how many times I got anit semitic slurs, or looks or conversation about Jews where they didnt know I was. You kinow what I did with all of these. Nothing, unless it was a physical approach, and this happenned on trains, streets, then run for it.
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Post by klr on Jan 25, 2012 16:39:53 GMT
I just dont agree with some big, faceless, state behemoth telling people what they can & cannot say & think, it is insulting, the incident of stewards wearing head-cams at the Spurs match which I actually thought was a joke at the time, is in my opinion overstepping the line in a so called civilised society.
Be wary of what path this leads down, the real agenda here is not what it seems.
And I certainly dont agree, even less condone with what the moron Terry allegedly said to Anton Ferdinand, I just think its a convenient excuse for a wider cultural war with deeply sinister & anti-democratic undertones.
No to Communism.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2012 16:42:11 GMT
Communism is discredited, defeated and dying!
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Post by klr on Jan 25, 2012 16:48:50 GMT
Communism is discredited, defeated and dying! I just think the vast majority of people are right minded & the sign of a successful society is not one where the authorities think it is OK for stewards to wear Head-Cams at a football match, I dont expect everyone to agree with me, but surely most can see there is a certain agenda being pushed here ? An agenda that has got a lot more to do with just "Football" & "Racism" Going back to the original incident, I'd also like to know who the person was that made the original complaint, surely something like that would come out in court as a matter of fact ?
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2012 16:51:17 GMT
I honestly don't see any greater agenda here.
Now you can argue there is no problem and I can argue there is.
And you can argue about broader government polices - again I might disagree with.
But I honestly don't see football actions against racism as having any higher agenda that getting rid of racism (along with homophobia and anti-Semitism) from football
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Post by londonranger on Jan 25, 2012 17:20:01 GMT
Winston Smith was not a football fan.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2012 17:21:04 GMT
George Orwell was!
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Post by cpr on Jan 25, 2012 17:35:37 GMT
Once upon a time we thought Orwell's 1984 and animal farm were things to study for o level.
Little did we know that they were a forecast of a future Britain.
KLR is not far wrong but I suggest Blocky's ext1 site is a better place for such a discussion.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 25, 2012 17:38:03 GMT
ext1 has pretty much died out now cpr, no one posts on there anymore. I check occasionally but there is never anything new
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2012 17:42:21 GMT
Blocky will just have to build a new one: "Better, stronger, faster"
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 25, 2012 17:46:12 GMT
Me and Hogan are now attempting to revive ext1 !!!!
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2012 18:23:46 GMT
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Post by fraserinbc on Jan 25, 2012 18:24:27 GMT
Oh but no abuse at loftus rd?. Bollocks. Yeah, I remember moving my season ticket seat because of a bunch of guys around me just being abusive pretty much all the time. Shouting out that Shittu was a monkey before realizing that Shittu could probably rip his head off was a particular highlight. I agree that no State or State Agency should tell someone how to act/talk/think, but when that action is to the detriment and abuse of others then they may have a point, but I imagine that will remain a philosophical difference.
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Post by cpr on Jan 25, 2012 18:34:06 GMT
ext1 has pretty much died out now cpr, no one posts on there anymore. I check occasionally but there is never anything new We were discussing this very subject down the Adelaide on Saturday Ror, so perhaps such an inovative and subjective subject matter could help revive it. ;D
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Post by cpr on Jan 25, 2012 18:35:01 GMT
Get Cheryl to character reference Cashley!
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Post by fraserinbc on Jan 25, 2012 19:14:21 GMT
Me and Hogan are now attempting to revive ext1 !!!! I have a friend, you see, and he's a bit of a noob and doesn't know what that is. So if you could help me explain what ext1 is to him I would be very grateful. *cough*
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 25, 2012 19:17:37 GMT
Me and Hogan are now attempting to revive ext1 !!!! I have a friend, you see, and he's a bit of a noob and doesn't know what that is. So if you could help me explain what ext1 is to him I would be very grateful. *cough* ;D ;D It is a separate forum set up by Blockhead for non-QPR or football talk. Come over and join if you want to www.ext1.proboards.com
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2012 19:38:46 GMT
Although its target audience was of course, far, far wider than QPR Report, at least my hope was that the "Community" we built up here would use that to discuss the kind of non-football things that we prefer not to have on this board.
(Of course some boards- in fact most boards do allow - even encourage those non football topics.
But of course "we're not like anybody else!"
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2012 23:10:50 GMT
Guardian Blog-Marina Hyde
Handshake is not the answer to Anton Ferdinand-John Terry stand-off
As Queens Park Rangers meet Chelsea in the FA Cup on Saturday, Ferdinand alone must decide how he handles his first encounter with Terry since the racism allegationsThe FA is understood to be keen for Anton Ferdinand and John Terry to shake hands. Illustration: Mark McCormick for the Guardian And so once more to top flight football, crucible of race relations debate in early 2012 Britain, amid suspicions that well-meaning bigwigs are preparing to mishandle another episode. What are we to make of a flurry of closely aligned articles suggesting that Queens Park Rangers are encouraging Anton Ferdinand to shake John Terry's hand before Saturday's FA Cup tie, which itself takes place just days before the Chelsea and England captain is up in court charged with a racially aggravated public order offence when directing abuse at Ferdinand? QPR decline to comment on the reports, so let's hope they are misguided invention, because the prospect of Ferdinand's bosses attempting to gently manage the situation is troubling. We shall learn more about the facts of the case when it comes to court next week – Terry strongly denies the charge – but given the gesture will be read as Ferdinand's first wordless public comment on the matter, he should be allowed to reach his decision with the minimum of intervention, which includes pastoral advice that could end up feeling like pressure. It's his business, not his club's. The FA is understood to be keen to see a handshake. At least this is not a Premier League tie, because one can only imagine the lengths to which Richard Scudamore's august outfit would go to achieve that end, thus emphasising the shiny harmony of its "product" to overseas purchasers. Unlike the Terry-Wayne Bridge handshake, which was a box office plotline of the sort of that stokes World Wrestling Entertainment, a stand‑off over an allegation of racism is less easy to package. Of course, you can see the obvious reasoning behind what seems to be a concerted wish for the handshake to go ahead. Neither club wants trouble, and the match has been brought forward to midday on police advice, while prevailing wisdom has it that players must act responsibly to prevent volatile fan elements from acting irresponsibly. But prevailing wisdom should always be subordinate in matters of conscience. If Ferdinand is indeed reluctant, then at best any guidance to shake hands would reek of the sanitising impulse which has seen Parliament Square cleared of protesters, lest any of the world's TV cameras – in town for the Olympics – should get the idea that London is anything other than united in its love for everything from various wars to the IOC and its corporate sponsors. At worst, it would epitomise the old shut-up-and-play attitude that seeks to keep athletes in their place and out of politics. Alas, that attitude appears to be gaining traction again in some quarters. Since the initial storm over the Terry and Luis Suárez allegations subsided, there has been a drip-drip of increasingly apologist articles, most recently one on Spiked, apparently deeming pretty much any insult spewed within a stadium to be "passion" – surely the woolliest cliche in football – and a quintessential part of the game itself. To which a reasonable reply might be: since when? Extremist fan behaviour is nothing more than a late-1960s bolt-on to football, and no more part of its timeless essence than endless Super Sundays. Look at the pictures of the terraces in the 1950s, and the serried throngs of fans in their caps and overcoats. Without sticking my neck out, I'd hazard none of them were baying that Matt Busby was a paedophile or shouting at Jackie Milburn that they hope his kid got Cancer. Yet were they all prawn sandwich-toting middle‑class newspaper columnists with no understanding of what makes football great? But this is an argument used by defenders of a status quo which many black players voice unhappiness with – namely, that anyone who objects to such displays of "passion" is some rarefied broadsheet tosser who fails to understand that The Masses need the release of being able to bay racist epithets at people within the strict confines of football grounds. How grimly patronising – and not to broadsheet tossers. Not only does it fail to take into account the testimonies of working‑class black players who are degraded by such displays of "passion" – after all, what do those irrelevances know? – but is the sort of tin-eared, contrarian drivel spouted by those desperate to ingratiate themselves with those they see as football's tribal warriors, but who have never really expanded their student Marxist belief that sport is an opium of the people. Those with a greater imagination move beyond such a narrow, essentially conservative view. A few years ago, the late, radical US sportswriter Lester "Red" Rodney gave an interview to one of his journalistic heirs, Dave Zirin. In it, former Daily Worker sports editor Rodney recalled how in the 30s the old guard at the communist newspaper had vetoed the idea of covering sport at all, but he persuaded them that people could be reached politically via sport. Oddly enough, almost every example Rodney gave of its ability to do so related to sport's role in fighting racial prejudice in society. Were this most principled of campaigners writing today, you can bet he wouldn't have been penning lofty articles explaining that using "black" as a derogatory term within a football ground is something to do with being working class and real and should be let well alone. My suspicion is he'd have treated the idea of "guidance" being offered to Anton Ferdinand with distinct misgiving. www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jan/25/anton-ferdinand-john-terry
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 23:24:45 GMT
I wonder if he is planning on lying to help out his team mate. Anyway I hope he gets stick as well on Saturday, he always deserves it.
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Post by tom007 on Jan 25, 2012 23:32:44 GMT
JT especially for you.lol Attachments:
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2012 23:41:09 GMT
He's going to Ask Fernandes! Telegraph/Jason Burt
QPR Anton Ferdinand asks owner Tony Fernandes for advice over handshake with Chelsea's John Terry
Anton Ferdinand will consult Queens Park Rangers owner Tony Fernandes on Thursday before deciding whether to shake hands with John Terry before Saturday’s FA Cup tie with Chelsea.Ferdinand is acutely aware of the potentially incendiary nature of the FA Cup fourth-round tie and the clubs issued a joint statement on Wednesday warning fans they will take action against anyone using discriminatory language. It will be the first time the clubs have met since Terry was charged with racially abusing Ferdinand during October’s Premier League derby. The QPR defender is in a quandary as to what to do on Saturday. He does not want to inflame the situation, but neither does he feel he can easily shake Terry’s hand given the nature of the allegations even if the Chelsea captain vehemently denies wrongdoing. Ferdinand has not made up his mind and there is no pressure, despite suggestions otherwise, from QPR for him to be reconciled with Terry during the now traditional pre-match handshake between two teams in FA Cup and league matches. Fernandes’ opinion could be key but the Malaysian entrepreneur is unlikely to put any pressure on the defender either way although he will want to try to ensure that the match takes place without incident. It may, therefore, be deemed that a handshake could be the best solution. In the statement QPR and Chelsea said: “Discrimination has no place in football or society.” They added: “Both clubs enjoy fantastic support. However we would remind fans that, while we want to hear their passion, hatred and abuse is not what being a fan of QPR or Chelsea is about. “The clubs will work together with the police to ensure that anyone using discriminatory or inflammatory language is identified and that the strongest possible action is taken against them.” Ferdinand should have a new central defensive partner for the tie after QPR on Wednesday agreed a £3 million fee for Manchester City’s Nedum Onuoha, who is set to become manager Mark Hughes’s second signing following the arrival on loan of the AC Milan left-back Taye Taiwo. M eanwhile, it has emerged that Terry will not appear in court in person next week for the preliminary hearing of his case after being charged with a racially aggravated public order offence following the allegations that he directed a racist comment at Ferdinand. It is understood that Terry’s legal team will enter a not guilty plea on his behalf at the hearing, the case will be heard by a magistrate and not a jury, and it will then be adjourned for several weeks.Nine men have been arrested by police investigating suspected racist chanting by Charlton Athletic fans. Police received reports of supporters singing racist songs on a train following the FA Cup tie against Fulham on Jan 7. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/queens-park-rangers/9039807/QPR-Anton-Ferdinand-asks-owner-Tony-Fernandes-for-advice-over-handshake-with-Chelseas-John-Terry.html
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Post by tom007 on Jan 25, 2012 23:41:06 GMT
chelsea preparing for saturday.lol Attachments:
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 25, 2012 23:46:08 GMT
chelsea preparing for saturday.lol tom, you really must try to post the pictures directly on your post. its getting me down ,lot of cafuffle. and try to stay away from naked men, ;D
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Post by sharky on Jan 25, 2012 23:56:46 GMT
Typical Terry. What a coward he is!!
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