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Post by QPR Report on Feb 25, 2010 10:23:05 GMT
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Post by cpr on Feb 25, 2010 11:28:31 GMT
Did you say that long list backed up by "research" has been deleted?
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Post by cpr on Feb 25, 2010 11:29:37 GMT
one of his posts in that thread stated "i never read reports board". i couldn't help but ask him that if he never read this board what was he posting on here under the name of toothache for.his reply was to accuse me of posting under a different name. Somehow I miised this when originally posted, I did chuckle at that one. ;D
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 25, 2010 11:32:10 GMT
It's back up...
Of course when you think about it, why bother
Bhatia presumably knows (or should know) how much QPR paid for players. How much we paid for agents? Who's responsible for signing these players. What role who played. Etc.
We have our views. Pete has his views (based on... "Whatever/whomever") - But one would certainly hope that Bhatia and Saksena KNOW what really happened and what was really spent)
Ditto posts by anyone else re Paladini: Who's trying to persuade whom - and why: The New Board obviously will make their determinant. The one thing they should not do is believe that any but a small number actually think Paladini did a good job at QPR over the past five years; or that most fans want him to stick around.
If it's just their determinant, fine. If they think it's what the fans want: No
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Post by numpty66 on Feb 25, 2010 13:41:02 GMT
At the end of the day it really doesnt matter if we have spent too much or too little on all these players. The one thing that is blatantly obvious is that the system we have in place has failed miserably and unless things change in the way we go about recruiting players then it will continue to fail miserably.
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Post by ingham on Feb 25, 2010 15:44:57 GMT
I sometimes wonder whether it's all become too complicated for any of them to understand.
A given player's ability is difficult to be sure of. He plays all right one week, poor the next, indeterminately the week after.
Doesn't that have an effect on the player's value? Not how good we think he is, but how much he is worth. How can we estimate a player's worth, in money terms?
Depends, to an extent, on the team. Ordinary players can be carried by very good teams. But the team's performance will usually fluctuate from week to week, like the players. This season's QPR fairly typical. Rubbish, blinding, inconsistent, organised, demoralised, and that is just in the pre-match kick-in.
It also varies dramatically from season to season, even when we have exceptional players. The mid-seventies side's average top division position was below half way, but we remember them as the near-miss Championship side.
Then again, the manager who puts the team together will be a different one every few years (or every few weeks in our case), and one of HIS problems is expectations ... of what the players and the team are worth. These are almost invariably inflated by what we'd LIKE them to be worth. And this sort of wishful thinking is reinforced by the Board's slight tendency - the Champions League, for example - to exaggerate.
If the Club is inflating the value of its playing staff, but their performances have a systematically deflating effect, how is anyone to keep up, let alone get a reasonable idea of what is going on?
Most directors talk as if football clubs are businesses, when businesses usually need to make a profit to survive, and the directors are quite deliberately running the Clubs at a loss so the Club will foot the bill for all their mistakes.
As a rule, a new manager doesn't know why the players aren't playing well every week. If they had, we wouldn't have caught them red handed so obviously losing the plot, and they might have been able to pick up the thread.
But a few dodgy results down the line, they start playing people out of position. This is the cause of much bewilderment, although the players are so inconsistent when they're in position, it is hardly surprising.
Unfortunately, new inconsistencies inevitably arise when the players are trying to do things they are not designed to do, especially if they are being moved about because they weren't doing the things they supposedly are good at.
Off the pitch, the 'investors' intentions are another unknown. Let alone their real or imaginary abilities. Do they seriously think they are building a Champions League outfit like this? If so, have they understood the difference in scale, support, fame, resources, experience, size and track record between QPR and Manchester United?
If they haven't, their valuation of the team will bear little resemblance to its capabilities. But what IS realistic. Is the Club a business, a boutique, or just a little, local football club? Is the wealth of its owners relevant? If so why? And how?
But, in any case, the investors aren't a homogeneous group of people. One arrives and forces another out - after telling us all how much they respect each other, and how well they're all working together. And some of them operate through companies.
Does one director know the status of the other's little companies? Do they know when they're about to be ditched? If they don't, does anyone really know what is going on?
And it isn't just at QPR, confusion abounds in the game at large, with the Clubs that we historically depended on to supply us with players, managers and money (from their travelling supporters and from transfer deals) all in various stages of financial disarray if not outright meltdown. Are the people concerned really doing deals calculated to put the Club's affairs in order and to set the team on the road to glory? Or are they looking for new ways of milking the incessant comings and goings of players to their own advantage?
In QPR's case, this doesn't amount to the odd arrival or departure, but a veritable stampede of great herds like an evolutionary dead-end thundering to extinction.
And if much of the money the clubs are using is borrowed, what were the lenders' motives in making the loans? Purely footballing ones? Or were they the result, in some cases, of dodgy decisions by incompetent private investors and failing banks? If the money was advanced unwisely, how reliable is their understanding of the Club's playing assets?
But the football authorities twigged that one long ago, and the players aren't counted as assets at all, not in the books. Otherwise their value would simply inflate as the losses went up.
Traditionally, we thought that the players' worth was, in large part, reflected in their ability to attract support. But they're driving support away at Clubs like ours. Through their inflated wages, and the rising ticket prices to cover them.
And that must exacerbate the confusion in the 'investors' minds to the extent that the players are being paid more and more to do something that less and less people are interested in paying to see.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 5, 2010 7:43:27 GMT
From the just released accounts (which go up to May 31, 2009) £3.4 Million paid out in players in the year ending May 31, 2009 £6.9 Million paid out in players in the year ending May 31, 2008 "The group paid £3.4 M (2008 - £6.90M) to aquire additional players during the year." qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=11724&page=1 And that's not getting into the wages spent on players which have SKYROCKETED Pete/WATRB February 22, 2010 "Research On The 44 Players..Have To SAY We Spent Hardly Nothing Hopefully this will all change, as Flavio didn't really get his wallet out Adel Taarabt Tottenham...........loan Akos Buzsaky Plymouth............500,000 Alejandro Faurlin Institute.........free transfer Alessandro Pellicori Avellino......free Ben Watson Wigan.......loan Bob Malcolm Derby.....free Chris Arthur Kettering...youth ikeme.. loan Damiano Tommasi Levante..free Damien Delaney Hull...£600,000 sold £650,000 Daniel Parejo Real Madrid loan Emmanuel Ledesma Genoa...loan Fitz Hall Wigan....£800,000 Gary Borrowdale Coventry...100,000 plus appearances..raising to £200,000 Gavin Mahon Watford £100,000 Heidar Helguson Bolton...400,000...sell to watford 400,000 in summer??? Hogan Ephraim West Ham...£200,000 up to £500,000 after so many games Jason Jarrett Preston...loan Jay Simpson Arsenal...loan Joe Oastler Portsmouth..youth Jordi Lopez Mallorca...loan Kaspars Gorkss Blackpool...£250,000 Kieran Lee Man Utd...loan Lee Cook Fulham..£.800,000 sold for 2 million before Liam Miller Sunderland...loan Martin Cranie Portsmouth..loan Matt Pickens Chicago...free Matt Hill Wolves...loan Matthew Connolly Arsenal..£200,000 up to £500,000 on appearances Mikele Leigertwood Sheff Utd £600,000 Michael Mancienne Chelsea..loan Nigel Quashie West Ham..free Patrick Agyemang Preston..£100,000 up to £300,000 on appearances Peter Ramage Newcastle..free Radek Cerny Tottenham..free Rhys Taylor Chelsea..loan Rowan Vine Birmingham..£900,000 Samuel De Carmine Fiorentina..loan Scott Sinclair Chelsea...loan Steven Reid Blackburn..loan priskin..loan Tom Heaton Man Utd..loan Tom Williams Peterborough..loan Marcus bent...loan Wayne Routledge Aston Villa...£400,000 sold 1.75 million if go up to premiership another £250,000 sold dex 1.75 million camp 200,000 walton 700,000 barker sold 100,000 www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52660
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Post by cpr on Mar 5, 2010 8:49:45 GMT
The string on the spinning top has officially snapped.
;D
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 7, 2010 7:29:40 GMT
Maybe I missed but I don't think I've yet seen a "follow up" From the just released accounts (which go up to May 31, 2009) ( And that's not getting into the wages spent on players which have SKYROCKETED) - £3.4 Million paid out in players in the year ending May 31, 2009 - £6.9 Million paid out in players in the year ending May 31, 2008" The group paid £3.4 M (2008 - £6.90M) to aquire additional players during the year."qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi....ad=11724&page=1 Pete/WATRB February 22, 2010" Research On The 44 Players..Have To SAY We Spent Hardly Nothing. Hopefully this will all change, as Flavio didn't really get his wallet out" Adel Taarabt Tottenham...........loan Akos Buzsaky Plymouth............500,000 Alejandro Faurlin Institute.........free transfer Alessandro Pellicori Avellino......free Ben Watson Wigan.......loan Bob Malcolm Derby.....free Chris Arthur Kettering...youth ikeme.. loan Damiano Tommasi Levante..free Damien Delaney Hull...£600,000 sold £650,000 Daniel Parejo Real Madrid loan Emmanuel Ledesma Genoa...loan Fitz Hall Wigan....£800,000 Gary Borrowdale Coventry...100,000 plus appearances..raising to £200,000 Gavin Mahon Watford £100,000 Heidar Helguson Bolton...400,000...sell to watford 400,000 in summer??? Hogan Ephraim West Ham...£200,000 up to £500,000 after so many games Jason Jarrett Preston...loan Jay Simpson Arsenal...loan Joe Oastler Portsmouth..youth Jordi Lopez Mallorca...loan Kaspars Gorkss Blackpool...£250,000 Kieran Lee Man Utd...loan Lee Cook Fulham..£.800,000 sold for 2 million before Liam Miller Sunderland...loan Martin Cranie Portsmouth..loan Matt Pickens Chicago...free Matt Hill Wolves...loan Matthew Connolly Arsenal..£200,000 up to £500,000 on appearances Mikele Leigertwood Sheff Utd £600,000 Michael Mancienne Chelsea..loan Nigel Quashie West Ham..free Patrick Agyemang Preston..£100,000 up to £300,000 on appearances Peter Ramage Newcastle..free Radek Cerny Tottenham..free Rhys Taylor Chelsea..loan Rowan Vine Birmingham..£900,000 Samuel De Carmine Fiorentina..loan Scott Sinclair Chelsea...loan Steven Reid Blackburn..loan priskin..loan Tom Heaton Man Utd..loan Tom Williams Peterborough..loan Marcus bent...loan Wayne Routledge Aston Villa...£400,000 sold 1.75 million if go up to premiership another £250,000 sold dex 1.75 million camp 200,000 walton 700,000 barker sold 100,000 www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52660
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 9, 2010 9:23:49 GMT
Paladini didn't seem to count Faurlin as a free transfer!
From the SM Interview "Moving onto the playing side now, how did we find Faurlin and what was paid for him?
Gianni started by asking me what I thought of him. I said that I really rated him, and still think he has been one of our best signings for a long time. Gianni nodded and agreed, and said what a huge admirer of him he is.
Faurlin came as a recommendation from a close friend I have at Inter Milan. They had been watching him for quite some time, but eventually decided that he probably wouldn’t be good enough to fit into their plans. My friend got on the phone to me and said “Get over there quickly, you HAVE to see this kid play, he would be brilliant for QPR” so that’s what we did. We went over to Argentina to watch him play, and of all the games to do it - he goes and gets himself sent off! But the talent that he had was clear to see, we knew he would be a great signing. We started talking with him, and found that his contract was due to expire at the end of that season. He verbally agreed to sign for us there and then.
As for the fee, it can rise to £3.5 million if certain clauses are met, but it wasn’t paid upfront.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 9, 2010 12:31:56 GMT
Waiting for Pete's retraction... Obviously picked the wrong week's spin
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Post by eastpaddoknutta on Mar 9, 2010 12:36:36 GMT
watrb arnt talking gp no more unless requested to on watrb lol
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 10, 2010 18:14:37 GMT
And who was responsible for signing these players and the earlier players of the Paladini "era"?
Got to love the way the good ones go to Paldini while the flops (and there were so many) are someone elses fault...
And those long contracts....
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Post by ingham on Mar 13, 2010 13:06:42 GMT
If and when he goes, we'll still be stuck with the people responsible for Paladini and whatever it is he is doing.
He didn't appoint himself, he doesn't have the shareholding to maintain his own position, and if he's doing really bad stuff, it's at someone else's instigation, with someone else's support, and for someone else's purposes.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 2, 2011 23:09:58 GMT
Bumped...Cos I came across it again!
Alejandro Faurlin Institute.........free transfer"
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