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Post by Macmoish on Aug 18, 2010 10:31:22 GMT
Some Months Ago, I Posted Re This Site's "Ethos" which I shall to try refind...But I would say that there is quite a difference between posting about QPR matters - and QPR Staff and players - and even QPR messageboards. And a deliberate, concerted, and vicious campaign against one poster in particular. Now people can claim two-sidedness/two faced, but if I were, I believe my fellow moderators would call me on it. And no one has said. Would say. Will say. That every post by every poster in every instance has never gone perhaps further than I should. It's not my role to defend or endorse every post made by any specific poster. That includes Finney. That includes posts by any of the regular poste. Or by the moderators. But I would say that Finney is a treasured poster on this site. If you don't like it, so be it. Yes he can be criticized. But allegations about him or anyone should be substantiated. There is zero problem defending Paladini on this site. I might disagree with the views and state so. So let's be very clear: Coming here to talk about QPR is great. Coming here to respond on substance re claims is great. (Some could do so, but choose not to. That's there right) But what is completely not acceptable is to pop over not to initiate debate/or respond to claims just to provoke and make serious allegations and then vanish back into the ethernet. It's not what this site is about. This site is very open. Unlike another site, we don't engage in moderating games/and seeking to hide posts. And this site's level of non acceptance of racism, anti-Semitism, Homophobia and various other isms - including fascism and hooliganism is second to none. Yet the allegations made re posters here have not been accompanied by criticisms of what actually has occurred on another site. And sometimes one has to wonder what is happening and the motivation for it happening. To put it another way: This board has been operating for almost two years now and it's been growing quite nicely - despite systematic disparagements from you know who and his friends. So be it. Those who constantly read this site know for themselves how this site operates and the overwhelming tenor of the posting. So it really requires very little additional comment (having already said what I've just posted and linked to!) If I can find my old post, I'll repost it. Meanwhile I refer you to the "Welcome" Post on this site and the standards and ethos we set out. qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=8
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 18, 2010 10:46:18 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 18, 2010 11:13:03 GMT
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Post by finney on Aug 18, 2010 11:56:52 GMT
And you let smears stand and do nothing so proves that there is no "ethos" if you are called Nico. Act and smear at will.
Last post.
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Post by superckat on Aug 18, 2010 12:08:25 GMT
And you let smears stand and do nothing so proves that there is no "ethos" if you are called Nico. Act and smear at will. Last post.finney I really hope it isn't.
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Post by Markqpr on Aug 18, 2010 12:16:02 GMT
Personally I don't see the point in reposting this. You either enforce the rules or not and the vast majority abide by them. Simply reposting what you want to happen is not going to make it so in individual cases. Action is needed, not an idealistic view.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 18, 2010 12:55:02 GMT
I concur.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 18, 2010 13:10:15 GMT
People may be right in their criticism for my having permitted certain posts to remain. And in how I handled it.
Anyway after consultations with several of my fellow moderators...after due consideration and so forth: Funky has decided (again) he doesn't want to post on this site. That is his prerogative and we obviously accept his decision. In the opinion of myself and others, Nico went beyond what was acceptable. And it went on and on. I was especially disappointed because I thought we had entered a new era. So be it. Nico is now being now has a chance to post elsewhere.
Now certain people can and undoubtedly will make disparaging comments elsewhere both about this decision; while continuing with their other snide snippets and slurs about both this poster and others. So be it. "The Dogs Bark and The Caravan Moves on"
This is a consensus moderating decision, but ultimately I take responsibility for this decision.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 18, 2010 13:16:37 GMT
If they want to hang out on other websites bemoaning this one, perhaps they need to get a life. Either by being positive and participating on their chosen site and not bothering with this site. it appears some have nothing better to do than what I have just said. If you wish to join this site and aid in the promotion of supporting QPR then go for it, but if you wish to "sneek" on here and then go elsewhere full of belittling this site, it doesn't say much about your charactor or your values.
I have watched this site grown from nothing to a fairly popular site. It's been referred to as "dead as a dodo" and recently celebrated its 500th member. It really is onwards and upwards for it. Whether others by jealousy wish to continue to deride it, that is up to them. But coming on here for some intelligent discussion and gentle banter makes this site an excellent read.
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Post by londonranger on Aug 18, 2010 13:22:57 GMT
Finney, would you mind clarifying your last Post. Lord hope it doesnt mean ever. you are so welcome hear.
Nicos posts have been well moderated and generally we edit language or recommend the writer to rephrase. Rather than eliminating post. Yesterday we locked a thread that was really non-sequitur from the individual in question and myself personally challenged him on stuff he had said sbout you. He didnt reply but perhaps I should have removed parts of his post. If you are offended, I apologise in full, but hope you will re-consider and will give a more emphatic response in future. You must come back, not an order but a hope. come back.
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Post by finney on Aug 18, 2010 14:15:33 GMT
The issue i have is that i think that Mike was more than happy to carry on posting and chatting away to nico, when nico had in my mind gone beyond the pale in his smears and yet the posts were not asked to be backed up with facts,or removed some way not think i have the right to be upset but i think all posters have the right to be protected.
My crime in Mikes eyes it seems is that after a snide dig by funky and Nico i posted a dig at funky in which i liked him to a kids tv star and susan boyle if however susan or lazy town want to sue i will understand.
I have no issues with the other mods or how this has been delt with by them but i am hacked off that because it's me and it gets nico on this site mike turns a blind eye to it all and goes fishing with nico.
Thing is i can give out and take it but when that turns to smears on you as a person and as with Mike he carried on exchanging messages with nico and not questions his posts and the smears in them it can leave a nasty taste in the mouth.
When someone is allowed to call you homophobic more than once and not taken to task that to me is wrong and does not respect the rules of the board or the poster. Hope that makes sense as i say not having a hissy fit but shocked at Mike and his actions and i have told him so in pm's,
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 18, 2010 14:24:26 GMT
The issues have been sorted Paul for once and for all. This site can now concentrate on moving forwards and using that new French saying I learned today "Turn a page". We can now concentrate on talking about football, QPR in particular and what this season is going to bring for the club and its fans.
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Post by eskey8 on Aug 18, 2010 14:38:52 GMT
Finney, in my opinion (for what its worth - probably nothing) I think maybe you might be being a little harsh on Mac.
At the end of the day you and Nico obviously have beef, for what ever reason, im not interested but its about time the pair of you manned up and stop involving it here.
For what its worth I thought Mac dealt with Nico reasonalby well last night, and it could have got alot worse.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 18, 2010 14:47:06 GMT
Up front, I want to put closure on this. It's not been good for this site and I would prefer we moved forward. What has happened, has happened and we cannot turn back the clock. We are missing out of drinking time, football time whilst wasting our time over these events of the last few days. It is now 2:45 am here in New Zealand - having just spent 5 hours of sleep time on here. I do this because I want to help this site progress in the positive. I am no hero but can we let this go?
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Post by londonranger on Aug 18, 2010 14:49:32 GMT
There is a thread "Coventry fans honour Jimmy Hill where imo finney was maligned. Mac dealt with it but it can be difficult with the particular poster. We get a few off site posters who come here to make trouble.. and take strong stands and then go after the poster personally with nasty names. Alerted, thanks Finney and well be there for you, if not strong enough already.
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Post by finney on Aug 18, 2010 15:00:56 GMT
eskey8 fair enough and what you think does mean something. anyway as i say last post and upwards and onwards feck chelsea come you R's
Goodbye and Good luck with the site.
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Post by calders on Aug 18, 2010 15:09:44 GMT
i just feel so sorry for susan boyle!!
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Post by klr on Aug 18, 2010 17:11:29 GMT
Finney back, Nico out!
Bring the notorious anti semite aka "binlid" back otherwise I will top myself by hanging myself live on the pitch at Loftus Road
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Aug 18, 2010 17:18:53 GMT
Finney back, Nico out! Bring the notorious anti semite aka "binlid" back otherwise I will top myself by hanging myself live on the pitch at Loftus Road Nico is out mate. His pathetic lies and disgraceful failed attempt to smear Finney earned him a ban. He should have sticked to photography.
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Post by klr on Aug 18, 2010 17:22:23 GMT
Finney back, Nico out! Bring the notorious anti semite aka "binlid" back otherwise I will top myself by hanging myself live on the pitch at Loftus Road Nico is out mate. His pathetic lies and disgraceful failed attempt to smear Finney earned him a ban. He should have sticked to photography. Trust me to miss out on the drama, someone fill me in on PM. This board wont be the same unless we get the binlid back on here, a proper QPR fan, not like that Nico character.
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Post by calders on Aug 18, 2010 17:34:58 GMT
i love the way nico/ funky and paul (look how much beer i can drink) fisher are ranting and raving on scotts site to an audience of exactly 3!!
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Post by klr on Aug 18, 2010 18:06:15 GMT
That board could almost be accused as being "dead as a Dodo" !
As for "personal attacks" !
I've never "personally attacked" anyone who didnt attack me first & thats a fact.
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Post by moriarty on Aug 18, 2010 18:53:42 GMT
That can't be 'nico' on that board - I read the 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph of the finney thread, and whoever it is that's ranting must be on the red wine big time!!
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Post by cpr on Aug 18, 2010 20:42:30 GMT
Just snorted my red wine up my nose then! Might have to join that site to larrap with the dodos (dodoes?) Whatever.
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Post by finney on Aug 19, 2010 14:51:45 GMT
Ok i have exchanged some pm's with Mike and maybe i was hard on Mike it was a bad old day for both of us. But i would also like to say some of the posts i have seen elsewhere about mike and his mods are so far from the mark. We are all QPR fans Me and mike don't see eye to eye on many things but he is a real fan and him or his mods would not be stupid enough to take advice of me. I mod on a different site and know how hard it came be and if i was harsh on Mike yesterday i am saying sorry on here and in private. Right i am off. As i said yesterday feck chelsea and come on U R's
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Post by Bushman on Aug 19, 2010 17:05:12 GMT
Shame it has to get to this situation. We really are better than that.
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Post by qprrobbo on Aug 19, 2010 17:21:14 GMT
I have no interest in all this "he said, I said" stuff, and would rather look at what we have in common.
My Mrs and I argue and point score all the blo*dy time, but still we pull together when it matters.
So what do we have in common as QPR fans?
Obviously a deep affection for the club, Loftus Road, and all our own personal happy memories of following the R's, eg, 1967 League Cup Win & promotion 1982 Wembley appearances, Semi-final same year at Highbury v West Brom, The run up to the Milk Cup Final in the 80's, but not the final! Euro matches both home and away, 6-0 on Easter Monday against SW6, 5-5 v Newcastle, 4-1 at Old Trafford, Rodney, Stan, Gerry, Les, Simon, TC, Glenn, Phil Parkes, Macca, Waddo, et al, In fact way to many to list on here, BUT.. all occasions when we were ALL too wrapped up in the occasion to worry about who was standing next to us when we were hugging them in celebration!
Now my point here is that it don't matter who we are and what we think in general because we ALL have a common theme running through us, QPR FC.
I spend a lot of time on motorways etc, and if I ever spot a car with a QPR sticker in it, I will always sound the horn, and give them a wave which is always reciprocated.
Later that night I "could" be slagging off a fllow poster without realising it may have been them in the other vehicle.
Basically I love QPR and feel a kinship with other QPR supporters... Am I strange and mis-guided, or is this how we all are deep down?
You R'sssssss.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Aug 19, 2010 17:40:13 GMT
Great post Robbo. We are all Rangers and I've never understood why some spend so much time b.itching about fellow fans, especially now when things are finally looking up. It's almost as if they prefer the dark days under Paladini, scandal after scandal, minutes from admin. They seem to revel in discord amongst our fanbase and thrive on negativity. Perhaps they hanker for a time when they mistakenly perceived themselves as important? Who knows but at least now they are all together on another site and won't be bothering the rest of us. WE ARE QPR... and we could be top of the league come Saturday!
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Post by obk on Aug 19, 2010 17:54:47 GMT
I would like to point out that since we have banned Nico and a few others, speaking ill of those persons can hardly be considered good ethos. Please bear this in mind.
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