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Post by haqpr1963 on Jan 22, 2010 7:52:31 GMT
If there are posts that could be thought of as being Allegedly Libelous, remember nothing is Libel until it is a court decision, the entire Sport sections of Tabloids have been openly and continuosly delivering dreadful attacks on various sports figures for decades. i never stated that any libelous posts have been on here but ive seen it elsewhere how can someone with little knowledge of how the club operates say that gianni picks up 30k per transfer via base for the record that statement is total rubbish And how can someone who claims to have lots of knowledge of how the club operates state that Sousa was going to get a cut of the money for a defender???
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Post by haqpr1963 on Jan 22, 2010 7:54:30 GMT
alot of people of here assume alot of things without having any substantial evidence
I think the 4 horsecocks of the apocalypse have just found a new mottoo.......
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Post by finney on Jan 22, 2010 8:13:31 GMT
For the record i have never said anything about 30k about transfers.
I am hacked off at the way the fan base has been lied to the misinformation and the fact that people are trying to rewrite history and our treating the fan base with utter dis-respect fans are not idiots and can and will make his/her own mind up on issues.
I am also not going down the road of trading insults with the likes of Jones Ect as i think that is being done to make a mockery and make light of some very serious threads on facts and where are club now finds it's self. Also i do blame the likes of Gianni Paladini and Nick De Marko for what has been done to the fan base and i think that the damage done by mis information and so on is not repairable.
My heart is broken at what has become of the greatest club this world has ever seen and not only a club but a community has been Distroyed and fans turning on each other is not what i ever wanted nor is it what our club needs. I am more than happy to talk facts but i am having no part of any bitch fights that takes away from the serious issue of what is going on at our club.
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Post by nico on Jan 22, 2010 8:53:53 GMT
Paul whilst I would not want to suggest you spelt my name wrong on purpose I think you might have spread some mis-information there in your reference to me. But that's your opinion and I respect it even though it is wrong. I never set out to split fans groups or fans, I never walked out of groups or made ultimatums. I expressed my own views, and gave up my own time and put up with a lot of unnecessary grief (just as you have) out of what I thought was best for the club and for fans, not out of anything for myself. Naturally, in the heat of argument, being human, there were times I overreacted, just as you have. As I said elsewhere it all comes down to a disagreement about things, and you have to learn to respect those who disagree with you and not assume it is some conspiracy by invaders to destroy you.
I know we shall not agree, but the time for blaming other fans for the fact fans argue with each other is well over. Responsibility starts at home. And then people can move on to a sensible debate about the future of the club, where, as I have said even over a year ago but not much has changed, fan unity is more important than ever
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Post by eskey8 on Jan 22, 2010 10:18:28 GMT
Nico, If you don't mind me asking, with you having previous ties behind the scene at LR, what is your opinion regarding the way Flav/GP are running things in terms of the 'footballing side' - the managers coming and going, the transfers and the interferance etc etc.
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Post by klr on Jan 22, 2010 10:20:48 GMT
I think its absolutely disgusting that any so called QPR fan is still defending Gianni Paladini & I agree with Finney & what he has said about the fanbase & what has happened to it under this regime, a few years ago if you met a QPR fan, you would stop & chat with them, there was a real sense of shared identity & camaraderie between us, some of these so called "QPR Fans" I wouldnt even give them the time of day. 2 years ago it was blindingly obvious that what we needed in our squad was Full Backs, 2 years later we are still waiting! Its not an opinion that Gianni hasnt bought the best players that he could have done, its patently obvious. I hate the negative emotions that I have towards QPR & I hate some of these people for what they have done to our club & for making me feel like this. Their stewardship of this once proud & respected club is nothing short of a disgrace & I will be glad to see the back of both of them. I would rather "do a Luton" than carry on being damaged goods & an laughing stock like this, its disgusting.
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Post by ha9 on Jan 22, 2010 10:40:43 GMT
I think its absolutely disgusting that any so called QPR fan is still defending Gianni Paladini & I agree with Finney & what he has said about the fanbase & what has happened to it under this regime, a few years ago if you met a QPR fan, you would stop & chat with them, there was a real sense of shared identity & camaraderie between us, some of these so called "QPR Fans" I wouldnt even give them the time of day. 2 years ago it was blindingly obvious that what we needed in our squad was Full Backs, 2 years later we are still waiting! Its not an opinion that Gianni hasnt bought the best players that he could have done, its patently obvious. I hate the negative emotions that I have towards QPR & I hate some of these people for what they have done to our club & for making me feel like this. Their stewardship of this once proud & respected club is nothing short of a disgrace & I will be glad to see the back of both of them. I would rather "do a Luton" than carry on being damaged goods & an laughing stock like this, its disgusting. even if GP goes i will still be here as i have been since 93 yes i supported arsenal upto i was 7 years old but does that make me any less of a fan than anyone else? Also i would like to know who you think we will be the next scapegoat should GP leave? Its easy to point the finger but some people forget the postives as it suits their agenda Thats my personal opinion
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Post by Markqpr on Jan 22, 2010 11:03:31 GMT
yes i supported arsenal upto i was 7 years old but does that make me any less of a fan than anyone else? Simply put, YES! But thats just my personal opinion!
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Post by Markqpr on Jan 22, 2010 11:07:17 GMT
I think its absolutely disgusting that any so called QPR fan is still defending Gianni Paladini & I agree with Finney & what he has said about the fanbase & what has happened to it under this regime, a few years ago if you met a QPR fan, you would stop & chat with them, there was a real sense of shared identity & camaraderie between us, some of these so called "QPR Fans" I wouldnt even give them the time of day. 2 years ago it was blindingly obvious that what we needed in our squad was Full Backs, 2 years later we are still waiting! Its not an opinion that Gianni hasnt bought the best players that he could have done, its patently obvious. I hate the negative emotions that I have towards QPR & I hate some of these people for what they have done to our club & for making me feel like this. Their stewardship of this once proud & respected club is nothing short of a disgrace & I will be glad to see the back of both of them. I would rather "do a Luton" than carry on being damaged goods & an laughing stock like this, its disgusting. Now THATS what I'm talking about when I say you've got better things to post. We really do miss your type of passion in the ground on matchdays, by the way!
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Post by nico on Jan 22, 2010 11:25:26 GMT
Nico, If you don't mind me asking, with you having previous ties behind the scene at LR, what is your opinion regarding the way Flav/GP are running things in terms of the 'footballing side' - the managers coming and going, the transfers and the interferance etc etc. Eskey, forgive me I must be somewhat careful what I say. But I think my views on Mr B were rather too publicly made known (contrary to my intentions) quite some time ago, in fact long before so many others started to share that same view. Having been on the inside I have a slightly different view than I would have had before. It's easy to think all football directors are greedy incompetent egotists just in it for themselves. In most cases, however, they put in far more than they take out (in terms of hours and money), work tirelessly and put up with a lot of undeserved grief. I am sure most of them do what they do in the interests of the club they have become involved with, but it is not always possible to make popular decisions. And so my own views of previous directors also changed, and that goes for during the regime of Bill Power, David Davies and before too. I might not have agreed with everything but I realized the likes of Ross Jones, Bill Power, Harold Winton or Peter Ellis all worked hard for the interests of the Club often without proper acknowledgment. However, that doesn't go for all football directors, and there is justifiably a debate about whether the current crop of super rich investors into football are actually causing more damage to the game than good - the situation at Mun Utd is a very good example. As to QPR, we have been described by nearly every sports journalist as a circus and fiasco recently, and I have not seen a compelling argument against those epithets I am afraid. Such frequent managerial changes can be extremely damaging for a number of reasons. In my own experience it was evident simply the financial cost of a change - pay offs for the old manager and his coaching staff and the lawyers fees, then a new team want to come in and they want to bring certain players in and let others go, as playing contracts are so expensive (including to get out of of course) the overall costs of every change can (nowadays at least) often run into millions of pounds. Then there is the effect on team morale, training, tactics and strategy etc. I know that when I was involved mistakes and unpopular decisions were made, bills sometimes left unpaid for too long etc. But the underlying reason for the difficulties then was the same one as had existed ever since QPR went into administration - a lack of investment to properly run a Championship side. That cannot or should not be the reason for the current state of affairs given the wealth of the investors who have now assumed control of QPR. It won't surprise you that I think blaming Gianni for the current state of affairs is misguided, but I do. It's perhaps inevitable that he gets some of the blame now for a number of reasons, some people have had a little bit of a fixation with him for some time, to put it mildly, and he was previously the main man in control of the club, and of course he has been given the title of Sporting Director. But although I am no longer involved on the inside I would be very surprised if the main decisions being made these days are made by him, as opposed to merely implemented by him. I know many will not agree with me, and that's fine as I have no personal interest in 'defending' Gianni anymore, but I believe that when Gianni finally and inevitably does leave his role at the club then, if other things have not changed at the club in the meantime, those so vocal about him now will have a rather rude awakening when they realize the same problems continue to exist. As with many things though, only time will tell. Apologies for the long reply.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 22, 2010 11:31:35 GMT
Simply put, YES! But thats just my personal opinion! im going to have to disagree with you there mark my dads family are from camden and you know up those ways they are either totenham or arsenal I supported them when i was very very young, im not ashamed to admit it however i was brought up in ladbroke grove and started being taken to rangers games early 90's and ive been a ranger ever since ask yourself this why would i want to convert from a top team to a team which at that time were good but wasnt on arsenals level? Fella ive got QPR programs home and away from 93/94 from every game, cups the whole lot, all games that i have been too ive even got a collection of programmes of QPR programmes from 50s-80's I have probably been to alot more games than some that question whether im a true supporter when in reality they dont know the facts Really annoys me when someone questions my loyalty to QPR Brought up in Ladbroke Grove and an Arse fan. That's so wrong What school did you go to Ha9?
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Post by Markqpr on Jan 22, 2010 11:37:13 GMT
Really annoys me when someone questions my loyalty to QPR I am not questioning your present loyalty at all. That would be absurd as you are obviously so passionate about the club, you are on this message board so therefore I do not question your passion for a start. My point is this: As a lifetime supporter of QPR with no family interested in football to guide me I made my choice at an early age (5) and have never changed my allegiance. You have. I am not measuring your support against my own, I am not even being entirely serious, in fact between two QPR fans I'm actually taking the friendly piss. We do that around here. We do actually like a laugh every now and then! I try to sometimes be funny as it's not always a pre-requisite to be serious all the time on this board, so to sum up: I believe you are as much of a supporter as me (serious) ................................until you change your mind again. It's happened in the past! (taking the piss in a friendly manner hopefully because WE ARE ALL QPR) (now!) If you don't appreciate my sense of humour just tell me and I'll be far more subtle with it!
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Post by eskey8 on Jan 22, 2010 11:48:57 GMT
Nico thank you for your response.
I do find it interesting that they haven't invested in the correct areas still, I mean look at the arsenal set for example (no pun intended Ha9). Arsene is beginning to see the good in all the investment in the youth set up he started when he joined. Stability is key.
With the exception of Arshavin, I can't remember the last time he had to spend big, unlike, liverpool, chelsea and even others. Look where they are now, top of the prem. Players like Clichy, Fabregas, bought in but not for much (certainly not as much as they are worth now), and thats due to a world class scouting network.
Why can't our club see this? I don't really care who makes the decisions tbh, I just want someone to start making the correct ones. I'll do it, even for half of GP wages!!
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Post by eskey8 on Jan 22, 2010 11:58:31 GMT
yes i supported arsenal upto i was 7 years old but does that make me any less of a fan than anyone else? Simply put, YES! But thats just my personal opinion! Mark, I too am also going to have to disagree with you there. I wasn't born in london, no one in family supports QPR, in fact I have only known 2 people of a similar age to me who support QPR and that was while I was at school. I support southampton growing up - they were my local team, my cousins supported them and I played for the youth team there. It wasn't until the first season outside of the prem I was taken to loftus road for the first time, by a friend of my mum. It was one of the most boring games I have actually been to, 0-0 with swindon. But I loved it, the guy to me back there loads before i was then old enough to catch the train, and the rest is history. Does it make me less of a fan? To be honest I couldn't careless if anyone thinks it does.
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Post by Markqpr on Jan 22, 2010 12:11:04 GMT
Simply put, YES! But thats just my personal opinion! Mark, I too am also going to have to disagree with you there. I wasn't born in london, no one in family supports QPR, in fact I have only known 2 people of a similar age to me who support QPR and that was while I was at school. I support southampton growing up - they were my local team, my cousins supported them and I played for the youth team there. It wasn't until the first season outside of the prem I was taken to loftus road for the first time, by a friend of my mum. It was one of the most boring games I have actually been to, 0-0 with swindon. But I loved it, the guy to me back there loads before i was then old enough to catch the train, and the rest is history. Does it make me less of a fan? To be honest I couldn't careless if anyone thinks it does. Again, I'm not being serious with the original post. It would be pointless to question the level of support or loyalty of any football fan in my opinion and especially as you post on a message board I'm considering it a given that you are a loyal and honourable supporter, just like everyone else here. Though, in the tradition and spirit of football banter between fans and the fact that I like to have a laugh with other fans: Southampton!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! No actually your right, I really shouldn't go there! Sorry.
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Post by ha9 on Jan 22, 2010 12:12:44 GMT
Really annoys me when someone questions my loyalty to QPR I am not questioning your present loyalty at all. That would be absurd as you are obviously so passionate about the club, you are on this message board so therefore I do not question your passion for a start. My point is this: As a lifetime supporter of QPR with no family interested in football to guide me I made my choice at an early age (5) and have never changed my allegiance. You have. I am not measuring your support against my own, I am not even being entirely serious, in fact between two QPR fans I'm actually taking the friendly piss. We do that around here. We do actually like a laugh every now and then! I try to sometimes be funny as it's not always a pre-requisite to be serious all the time on this board, so to sum up: I believe you are as much of a supporter as me (serious) ................................until you change your mind again. It's happened in the past! (taking the piss in a friendly manner hopefully because WE ARE ALL QPR) (now!) If you don't appreciate my sense of humour just tell me and I'll be far more subtle with it! i know you are only jesting mark i like your posts actually you come accross as a sound fella
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Post by eskey8 on Jan 22, 2010 12:17:42 GMT
To be honest I am slightly jealous of what has happened to Southampton. Call me crazy or whatever but the guys they now have there are doing what we should have done when flav and co took over.
They will be a big club again.
Mark, I shouldn't have taken your post so seriously - my bad!
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 22, 2010 12:20:15 GMT
Have they still got an academy down there eskey?
Their set up used to be excellent.
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Post by eskey8 on Jan 22, 2010 12:22:50 GMT
My best man at my wedding last summer is what I always thought was a pretty die hard fan. He is a scouce, he watches everygame online or on the tv - he doesn't go to many games now due to work. He once quit his job as a teacher as the head master wouldn't allow him to start 2 hours later after flying back from barcelona to watch them.
I spoke to him the other and said what the hells going on with your team mate (yes I know the cheek being a R's fan). His responce was, i know I just can't be bothered with it any more, I just don't spend the time watching.
I was amazed, they have a slightly bad run and he's not interested?! Bug-ger me he should try being in my shoes once in a while!!
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Post by eastpaddoknutta on Jan 22, 2010 12:26:41 GMT
Simply put, YES! But thats just my personal opinion! Mark, I too am also going to have to disagree with you there. I wasn't born in london, no one in family supports QPR, in fact I have only known 2 people of a similar age to me who support QPR and that was while I was at school. [glow=red,2,300]I support southampton growing up - they were my local team, my cousins supported them and I played for the youth team there.[/glow] It wasn't until the first season outside of the prem I was taken to loftus road for the first time, by a friend of my mum. It was one of the most boring games I have actually been to, 0-0 with swindon. But I loved it, the guy to me back there loads before i was then old enough to catch the train, and the rest is history. Does it make me less of a fan? To be honest I couldn't careless if anyone thinks it does. im rangers born and bread my dad lived and is the same age as bill power even watched games out of bills flat in (sorry if i get it wrong dad i do listen to u i swear) in wolf block i think in the estate oposite south africa road and i played for brentford fc youth acadamy as i lived in feltham i used to wear full qpr colours and kit to training and mates and wear underneath my scummy brentford kit
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Post by eskey8 on Jan 22, 2010 12:26:49 GMT
Have they still got an academy down there eskey? Their set up used to be excellent. Yeah I believe its still pretty good. When I was playing down there it was really becoming fantastic. They have produce some quality 'english' players down there in the past but I think with pompey doing well in recent years they have struggled to get the youngsters on board.
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Post by eskey8 on Jan 22, 2010 12:29:07 GMT
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 22, 2010 12:32:56 GMT
Have they still got an academy down there eskey? Their set up used to be excellent. Yeah I believe its still pretty good. When I was playing down there it was really becoming fantastic. They have produce some quality 'english' players down there in the past but I think with pompey doing well in recent years they have struggled to get the youngsters on board. It's upsetting when you realise Southampton were broke and yet can afford to run a proper academy, meanwhile our billionaires have done eff all for our youth. You can't help but think our owners are only in it for the short term.
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Post by ha9 on Jan 22, 2010 12:45:35 GMT
Brought up in Ladbroke Grove and an Arse fan. That's so wrong What school did you go to Ha9? i didnt go school in the grove i went to a school in harrow same one as langley and cambell ryce All people need to know is ive been a ranger from a young age, however when you so young you go along with what team your old man supports which in his is arsenal even at a young age im made a decision that supporting a team that won every game wasnt any fun, much rather support a team like rangers that are in my mums side of the family i was a mummy's boy in fact my uncle used to play for the rangers youth team upto he was 17 when after getting a cut in his leg from playing for rangers youth got some sort of Cancer and had to have his leg amputated as a result god rest his soul i never met him but he was rangers through and through by all accounts and so am i hope this clears this up for you is anyone on here still questioning my credentials? am i allowed into the fan club now.....
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Post by cpr on Jan 22, 2010 12:53:22 GMT
i didnt go school in the grove i went to a school in harrow same one as langley and cambell ryce All people need to know is ive been a ranger from a young age, however when you so young you go along with what team your old man supports which in his is arsenal even at a young age im made a decision that supporting a team that won every game wasnt any fun, much rather support a team like rangers that are in my mums side of the family i was a mummy's boy in fact my uncle used to play for the rangers youth team upto he was 17 when after getting a cut in his leg from playing for rangers youth got some sort of Cancer and had to have his leg amputated as a result god rest his soul i never met him but he was rangers through and through by all accounts and so am i hope this clears this up for you is anyone on here still questioning my credentials? am i allowed into the fan club now..... Lighten up a tad eh! When's Gianni going to answer the original question anyway. ;D
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 22, 2010 12:58:03 GMT
i didnt go school in the grove i went to a school in harrow same one as langley and cambell ryce All people need to know is ive been a ranger from a young age, however when you so young you go along with what team your old man supports which in his is arsenal even at a young age im made a decision that supporting a team that won every game wasnt any fun, much rather support a team like rangers that are in my mums side of the family i was a mummy's boy in fact my uncle used to play for the rangers youth team upto he was 17 when after getting a cut in his leg from playing for rangers youth got some sort of Cancer and had to have his leg amputated as a result god rest his soul i never met him but he was rangers through and through by all accounts and so am i hope this clears this up for you is anyone on here still questioning my credentials? am i allowed into the fan club now..... Er nobody questioned your credentials Ha9. I may have taken the piss out of Grove Boy supporting the Arse, but if you really are a Grove Boy, then I'm sure you are well used to that by now. May I suggest you chill out and stop spoiling for an argument. You'll have much more fun that way. Also I am genuinely interested on your pro Paladini stance. As far as I know, unlike the other 'Suspects' on here, you don't know GP and haven't received financial benefits from the man, so should have an impartial honest view on him. I'd love to know what you think about our transfers and your thoughts on our strengths and weaknesses as regards to our squad.
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Post by eastpaddoknutta on Jan 22, 2010 12:59:59 GMT
Brentford - blimey you must have been desperate to play football - or was it one of those, where if you drank a glass of milk you would be good enough to play for.................... no i lived whithin a 5 mile radius lol ill have you know for a fat boy i wasnt a bad player im still playing now looking for a new team actuly? ?!!!!! any one looking for a player im middlesex if that helps?
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Post by eskey8 on Jan 22, 2010 13:39:43 GMT
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 22, 2010 13:44:12 GMT
"In terms of signings i believe we need a couple of full backs and a couple of decent strikers"See, we agree on something! Now I blame GP for not replacing Delaney and Blacksock and wasting money on Borrowdale, Williams, Pelicori, Heidi etc. By your thinking, I guess you blame Flav.
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Post by ha9 on Jan 22, 2010 13:52:56 GMT
"In terms of signings i believe we need a couple of full backs and a couple of decent strikers"See, we agree on something! Now I blame GP for not replacing Delaney and Blacksock and wasting money on Borrowdale, Williams, Pelicori, Heidi etc. By your thinking, I guess you blame Flav. of course we agree on somethings, however we cant always agree on everything !
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