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Post by klr on Jan 3, 2010 19:54:42 GMT
"Oh and he brought Cookie HOME!"
Now where do you start with a statement like this ?
I dont believe there is any point in starting at all, the statement stands alone as a monument to the level of ignorance & stupidity we are dealing with here.
Hardly up there with Wenger selling Anelka to Real Madrid for £23 Million after buying him two years previously from PSG for £500 Grand is it ?!
Or the time when Holloway wanted to buy Ebanks Blake from Man U for £200 grand but Paladini bought Nygaard instead.
Enough of this Cancer.
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 3, 2010 19:57:40 GMT
I think Briatore probably takes quite a bit of the blame for the Sousa Axing... Whereas Holloway's departure was clearly a Paladini...
When Briatore took over and we assumed Paladini's role would be minimal, I said basically move on: Doesn't really matter any longer going back over his previous years here. Obviously to a degree I'm not so sure.
Obviously peoples' views vary re him - although I'd bet if it was just a straight choice between in or out, out would win a majority among the fans who have even heard of him.
But his defenders never really explain why he should be sporting director bringing in players. And we've been through this before of course, many times.
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 3, 2010 21:42:17 GMT
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Post by funky on Jan 4, 2010 7:32:02 GMT
Oh so very predictable Report.
But for the sake that I'm currently 135 in a que at the immigration office I'll offer up an opposite opinion.
For a start Gianni's was only given the title Sporting Director after the take over.
If you look hard enough you will see he is still listed as Chairman of Queens Park Rangers FC and Flavio is in chairman of the overall group.
But thats me just being slightly pedantic so I'll get back to the points you raised in a manner of which will be as debate rather than some of the personal rubbish written on here about me, if anyones really that sad to think that I take freebies then god help me.
I have been a season ticket holder for years, next time I'm renewing I'll send in a receipt so please don't level that crap at me because it's a lie, and utter bullshit.
I don't for one moment disagree with the sentiments of some of the points that you make regarding GP although it is becoming a tad boring.
Gianni works hard for this football club and if it is a weakness he sometimes s to passionate.
He loves the club and worked his arse off to ensure it stayed afloat, kept us out of administration and by hook or crook bought in the investment to secure the club.
Now you can look at it any which way you want but that was mission accomplished and he deserved his pat on the back, whether you agree with that or not thats up to you.
Of course we owe a great deal of thanks to Antonio Caliendo who was funding the club but wrote off a lot of debt, its not a unique scenario t look at Mike Ashley at Newcastle or the situation at West Ham at the moment.
The owners either take the hit on the chin or walk out with nothing thats football, how many clubs do make a profit Report?
Man UTD, Liverpool, Everton, Portsmouth West Ham, Chelsea, Arsenal how many make a profit?
At the end of the day all fans want to see is a winning team, and dare I say good football (not the crap played under KLRs god Paulo Sousa) I remember back in the 90's we had a great team but had to sell all of our best players and ended up relegated.
Sir Les was a huge loss and the appointment of Ray Wilkins well thats for another day.
Thompson ran a tight ship then, but it ended with mass protests Chris Wright coming in as the saviour followed by administration and relegation to League 1.
Are things better now yes for sure, have we made some mistakes....yes some huge cock ups some of the signings questionable for sure, but some of them have been decent as well.
As for Gianni's role at the club I would like to see him get more involved in putting in a proper youth set up so we can upgrade no argument for me on that one, I'd like to see Mel Johnson back at the club with the funds behind him to employ a huge network of scouts to look for the top up and coming talent.
We must employ a top manager and let him get on with the job a bit like Magilton was this year before he lost the plot after the Watford game.
Allow Giannni to liase with the agents deal with the contracts and assist in the other areas that I have mentioned.
I'd also like to see us start spending some proper money on the team not just free transfers we have billionaire owners with big ambition to reach the PL we will need to spend a few quid you cant do it on the cheap and you cant do it with the turn over of managers we have hads it's lunacy.
Now for those that want him to go and us for look for someone better, thats fine as well we will all just have to agree to disagree I'm sure the people that employ Gianni at QPR will be better placed to make that judgment call than any of us , Flavio, Bernie and Amit are no ones fools and if they thought the guy was clueless he would be gone by now.
Right I'm off to renew my visa and sort out my flight back to blighty.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 4, 2010 7:38:36 GMT
Youth set up? shit, we need to concentrate on a lot more than lip service Funky, the club really need to pour some dosh into the youth set up and get it back its Academy Status and set up a viable future for our leading prospects other than being sold off for other clubs to enjoy.
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 4, 2010 8:05:22 GMT
I started to respond to each point. But then I thought, but after this: What does Paladini actually DO at QPR? I don't see how it's that difficult to find via agents, so-so players willing to accept long contract on high wages who may or may not fit into what the manager wants. Do the owners see something in him? Obviously. And without getting into the various said and done by him over the years... Did he "save the club" - That could be debated... And anyway not too relevant as to why he should still be at the club. Do we agree on what we think the club should be doing? It sounds pretty much that we do: Re players, re managerial appointments; re youth development? Re Wilkins and Ferdinand and past owners? It sounds pretty much that we do (and many others would probably agree) But to remedy those 'flaws' or to develop the club, I don't see why we need Paladini involved. (If you were to appoint unpaid Life Vice President, a meaningless title, I could live with that even if others couldnt) Oh so very predicatable Report. But for the sake that I'm currently 135 in a que at the immigration office I'll offer up an opposite opinion. [Hope you get your visa!]For a start Gianni's was only given the title Sporting Director after the take over. If you look hard enough you will see he is still listed as Chairman of Queens Park Rangers FC and Flavio is in chairman of the overall group. [That in of itself is strange: The norm is give them the title; not the salary. So why the club wouldn't be declaring him as Chairman of the club ...But thats me just being slightly pedantic so I'll get back to the points you raised in a manner of which will be as debate rather than some of the personal rubbish written on here about me, if anyones really that sad to think that I take freebies then god help me. [ Agree with being against the "personal rubbish" - wherever it is. That includes calling people with a different view/or opposed to the actions of the current people "anti-QPR"I have been a season ticket holder for years, next time I'm renewing I'll send in a reciept so please dont level that crap at me because it's a lie, and utter bullshit. I dont for one moment disagree with the sentiments of some of the points that you make regarding GP although it is becoming a tad boring. Gianni works hard for this football club and if it is a weakness he sometimes s to passionate. He loves the club and worked his arse off to ensure it stayed afloat, kept us out of administration and by hook or crook bought in the investment to secure the club. Now you can look at it any which way you want but that was mission accomplished and he deserved his pat on the back, whether you agree with that or not thats up to you. Of course we owe a great deal of thanks to Antonio Caliendo who was funding the club but wrote off a lot of debt, its not a unique scenario t look at Mike Ashley at Newcastle or the situation at West Ham at the moment. The owners either take the hit on the chin or walk out with nothing thats football, how many clubs do make a profit Report? Man UTD, Liverpool, Everton, Portsmouth West Ham, Chelsea, Arsenal how many make a profit? At the end of the day all fans want to see is a winning team, and dare I say good football (not the crap played under KLRs god Paulo Sousa) I remember back in the 90's we had a great team but had to sell all of our best players and ended up relegated. Sir Les was a huge loss and the appointment of Ray Wilkins well thats for another day. Thompson ran a tight ship then, but it ended with mass protests Chris Wright coming in as the saviour followed by administration and relegation to League 1. Are things better now yes for sure, have we made some mistakes....yes some huge cock ups some of the signings questionable for sure, but some of them have been decent as well. As for Gianni's role at the club I would like to see him get more involved in putting in a proper youth set up so we can upgrade no argument for me on that one, I'd like to see Mel Johnson back at the club with the funds behind him to employ a huge network of scouts to look for the top up and coming talent. We must employ a top manager and let him get on with the job a bit like Magilton was this year before he lost the plot after the Watford game. Allow Giannni to liase with the agents deal with the contracts and assist in the other areas that I have mentioned. I'd also like to see us start spending some proper money on the team not just free transfers we have billionaire owners with big ambition to reach the PL we will need to spend a few quid you cant do it on the cheap and you cant do it with the turn over of managers we have hads it's lunacy. Now for those that want him to go and us for look for someone better, thats fine as well we will all just have to agree to disagree I'm sure the people that employ Gianni at QPR will be better placed to make that judgement call than any of us , Flavio, Bernie and Amit are no ones fools and if they thought the guy was clueless he would be gone by now.
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Post by cpr on Jan 4, 2010 8:06:37 GMT
Not sure I have ever read such a contradictory post, ever, full stop.
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Post by finney on Jan 5, 2010 0:43:26 GMT
Funky can i come back on a few things you said.
For a start Gianni's was only given the title Sporting Director after the take over.
Yes but has been the main person bringing in the players for years.
But thats me just being slightly pedantic so I'll get back to the points you raised in a manner of which will be as debate rather than some of the personal rubbish written on here about me, if anyones really that sad to think that I take freebies then god help me.
b] Pot and kettle spring to mind you wrote very personal stuff about others for years. I for one have never said you got freebies nor do i care [/b]
Gianni works hard for this football club and if it is a weakness he sometimes s to passionate.
For what it is worth you base that on what? The way i see it is that stevie wonder could bring in better players with the kind of stupid deals and wages we are handing out. As for what you say is his weakness laughable his weakness is that he terrible at what he does and does nothing but make the club a laughing stock when he opens his mouth. And seems to find it hard to work on facts when talking on issues that he does not grasp or even understand as the sousa saga showed and he makes Jeffery Archer look honest.
He loves the club and worked his arse off to ensure it stayed afloat, kept us out of administration and by hook or crook bought in the investment to secure the club.
Facts tell you that he was running the club into the ground and our debts got out of control,and he even told shareholders that we were going to break even but the debts infact went up. And infact under him QPR would have not gone into admin they would have gone bust.The takeover was only done due to Antonio Caliendo writing off millions owed to him and if had not of done they would not have taken the club on. My fear is that Gianni only let this takeover happen on the grounds that it was the only one that would kept him at the club. So in thanking Gianni by saying he saved the club then who would you blame for the mess we found ourselfs in?
Now you can look at it any which way you want but that was mission accomplished and he deserved his pat on the back, whether you agree with that or not thats up to you.
based on what?
Of course we owe a great deal of thanks to Antonio Caliendo who was funding the club but wrote off a lot of debt, its not a unique scenario t look at Mike Ashley at Newcastle or the situation at West Ham at the moment.
No a fact without him writing off the debts the club would have died. Not sure how you can compare us to Newcastle and West Ham. unless you are saying that like us they lost millions due to being very badly run?
The owners either take the hit on the chin or walk out with nothing thats football, how many clubs do make a profit Report?
Rangers debts are huge and we are without any assets and i fear that the club is heading for a cross roads if we fail to go up again this season, And did we not learn from the Chris Wright days that just to throw money at a club does not mean you will get any where and the fact we signed bang average players on four year deals and so is nothing but utter madness and unless we get that place in the prem we heading for trouble.
Man UTD, Liverpool, Everton, Portsmouth West Ham, Chelsea, Arsenal how many make a profit?
We should not be looking at them clubs but use the likes of Stoke,Burnley and so on to see that you can be in the prem and live within you're means.
At the end of the day all fans want to see is a winning team, and dare I say good football (not the crap played under KLRs god Paulo Sousa) I remember back in the 90's we had a great team but had to sell all of our best players and ended up relegated.
Sir Les was a huge loss and the appointment of Ray Wilkins well thats for another day.
The football in the last few weeks is worse than anything under Sousa. Sousa was not give a chance you also forget that he like Hart failed to have a pre season with the club and to bring in his own players and in his own words found out that Blackstock was on his way on loan to Forest after being told by Gianni Paladini. Now if that was the case then the fella never stood a chance. As for the team of the 90's we were a selling club and we all understood that but we had in place great scouts and a system that worked based on a good youth set up and which seen us replace players with players that woud bring something to the club. Infact i if being honest now think that people always talk about how the Crazy Gang did it but in fairness how we did it was better as we played some great football at times. The reason why we went down was that Wilkins made some terrible signings and the system we used for years stoped finding them good players. And when you replace the likes of Les with Mark Hately then the game is over.
Thompson ran a tight ship then, but it ended with mass protests Chris Wright coming in as the saviour followed by administration and relegation to League 1.
Wright messed up as he threw loads of money at the team without a thought process and was in my mind not hands on enough and we were paying stupid wages on players on long deals that were never going to go anywhere. Also the whole PLC mess up and the waste of the monies took the club into admin and when in admin the role of the administers in my mind should have be looked at as a failure.
The reason why Thompson faced protests was that many felt with a little extra investment we could have gone onto better things , i felt that we could have won something if we just had that wee bit extra in the squad and also the money was not around in the years of us doing well also he came across as someone who was non plus about the club and his big mistake was Bringing in Rodney as Director of Football and by that Francis going that hurt the club and was an act of total and utter stupidity.
Are things better now yes for sure, have we made some mistakes....yes some huge cock ups some of the signings questionable for sure, but some of them have been decent as well.
Not sure how you can say that the club is a laughing stock in the press and the season tickets are at their lowest for years and the mood of the fanbase is as flat as anything i have ever knew in my life as a Rangers fan. We have had far more questionable signings than ones that have paid off in the last five years.
As for Gianni's role at the club I would like to see him get more involved in putting in a proper youth set up so we can upgrade no argument for me on that one, I'd like to see Mel Johnson back at the club with the funds behind him to employ a huge network of scouts to look for the top up and coming talent.
Gianni is not a man to work with the youth we have the right people in doing that job we just need to back them and get the club back to Academy status.Under Gianni when Joe Gallen won the league his reward was the exit door.
We must employ a top manager and let him get on with the job a bit like Magilton was this year before he lost the plot after the Watford game.
How do you know he lost the plot? same thing went on with Stoke if you even think it did happen and they backed the manager 100 per cent. I would like to hear why Akos and his agent with his lawyer went to see Paladini and then the club put up that strange statement about Akos staying in my thinking the club came out of that very bad and also showed up the weakness of Paladini in that he can not handle such issues with a cool head and do what is best for the club.
Allow Giannni to liase with the agents deal with the contracts and assist in the other areas that I have mentioned.
After seeing the kind of deals we have gave players in the last five years and the wages we are paying i think that it best that he does not do that role.
I'd also like to see us start spending some proper money on the team not just free transfers we have billionaire owners with big ambition to reach the PL we will need to spend a few quid you cant do it on the cheap and you cant do it with the turn over of managers we have hads it's lunacy.
Rangers are not doing it on the cheap we have spent millions on wages only to stand still. The turnover of managers is down to people making knee jerk reactions and not backing them or even maybe getting the right ones in, in the first place.
Now for those that want him to go and us for look for someone better, thats fine as well we will all just have to agree to disagree I'm sure the people that employ Gianni at QPR will be better placed to make that judgment call than any of us , Flavio, Bernie and Amit are no ones fools and if they thought the guy was clueless he would be gone by now.
Perhaps the case is that the board are as clueless as he is.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 5, 2010 4:49:14 GMT
Some excellent rational responses there Finney. Sound logic. Obviously the thoughts of a deluded man living in a real world??
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 5, 2010 8:17:57 GMT
Very good post Finney.
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Post by samp99 on Jan 5, 2010 11:26:17 GMT
yes agree with the above two. Good post Paul
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Post by klr on Jan 5, 2010 13:18:20 GMT
Finney laying it down good & proper. Excellent stuff.
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Post by Markqpr on Jan 5, 2010 13:23:25 GMT
yes agree with the above two. Good post Paul I see your two and raise my agreement to the above 4!
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Post by cpr on Jan 5, 2010 14:45:55 GMT
I'll make that five and finney's input confirms my "contradictory" post, I thank you.
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 5, 2010 21:19:51 GMT
Thanks Mr. Finney
Now for the case FOR Paladini...Not the case against Paladini's critics. Anyone? We keep hearing all he's done. .
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Post by ingham on Jan 6, 2010 16:12:39 GMT
Remember the old days? No-one said how great Shankly was when he had done nothing at his first four Clubs. Or at Liverpool, where they were wondering whether to get rid of him until he was allowed to sign a couple of players and the results came.
They said he was great later. Once the regime he devised and implemented had become the most successful in the history of the British game, and one of the most successful in Europe. Delivering major trophies, not just to Shankly himself, but to three other 'boot room' managers, if we include Joe Fagan.
Not to be compared with Paladini whose achievements shine across the smooth surface of the sea of football like the veritable beam of a lighthouse, Fagan was merely some bloke who won the League, the European Cup and the League Cup. Not in his entire career, don't imagine that. In a single season. His only season. Wonder how long he would have lasted at QPR.
Fagan didn't lose all the Club's money, and didn't ensure that the Club's assets ended up in the hands of moneylenders.
Neither did Busby, who built three great sides at a Club always struggling for money, to the point where he was obliged to scour the country for youth team players from which to fashion the immortal Babes. A man who weathered Munich to take United to even greater heights with Best, Law and Charlton.
United survived. Unlike Leeds City, the Club Herbert Chapman did succeed in wiping out. Paladini didn't quite manage it at QPR, even if he did lose all the Club's money leaving QPR bankrupt in all but name.
It goes without saying that Chapman's efforts can't be compared with our record since the present 'regime' began to take shape some years ago, but no doubt old timers at Huddersfield and Arsenal still recall modest five-season runs of success by Chapman during which (albeit interrupted) 10 year period he and his immediate successors endowed them with 7 titles, and 3 runners-up, with the odd Cup here and there along the way.
Even more strikingly inadequate beside the impressive losses, staggering debt, amazingly strange badge, and 20,000 average attendances is the small-time world of Sir Alf Ramsey as was, who took the Third, Second and First Division titles with Ipswich, arguably the most mind-boggling achievement ever in the English game. It seems less shocking now, since Robson bestowed on Ipswich the sort of glamour Marsh, Bowles & Co flavoured QPR with.
And even if it doesn't compare entirely favourably with anything Paladini has done it was quite something that half the outfield players in the team that took the First Division title were Third Division players with their Third Division winners' medals to prove it.
Cobbold told Ramsey 'there is no money' when he started. Oddly enough, more or less what Paladini told Briatore when HE started.
But it takes all sorts. One of whom was Joe Mercer, who transformed the notorious 'cock-up Club' of Maine Road without losing vast sums of money the Club couldn't afford. Now, all they have to do is lose money to be 'glamorous'. Then, you had to win cups. Older supporters will remember the decidedly unglamorous Mercer putting the likes of 'Peely' and (unforgettably) 'Cruft' - my favourite - in the place Englishmen formerly accorded to foreigners - waiters with perfectly pronounceable names which nonetheless shouldn't be.
And while the exploits of Messrs Clough and Taylor don't put them in the same bracket as the boardroom full of 'saviours' at QPR, they, too, did their own 'Chapman' propelling not one, but two worthy but hardly successful Clubs to the very top.
Not by losing the money or inflating the attendances or pretending they weren't doing either - they weren't THAT good - but by taking both Clubs up, first of all, and in short order, then picking up the League title at each. Then a a couple of European Cups for good measure at Forest.
Not in the present state of English football competitiveness, where one Scots bloke wins everything all the time, but at a time when any Club which raised its head above the parapet - or even had the temerity to run out onto the pitch - was kicked from one end of the park to the other by the likes of Messrs Collins, Charlton, Smith, Giles, Storey, Bremner, Mackay, Charlton and Souness, some of them not only the hardest but among the most gifted players in the game.
It wasn't enough to be skilful, or even to be quick. And it was no defence to be old, either. As Matthews discovered when Chopper Harris was kicking him all over Stamford Bridge like a rag doll, you needed an Eddie Clamp, as Harris found when Clamp began kicking him all over Stamford Bridge. Just to give 'our Stan' a break, you understand. Quaint, these northern chaps.
That sort of thing isn't remotely necessary now. Just lose all the money, lose all its assets, get someone who hardly knows you to call you by your first name, and you're in the hall of fame. I suppose it must be someone who hardly knows them, because it scarcely counts if it's just yourself, your mates, your employees, or your hangers-on.
Just as those things never counted in the days when it was more than just your PR that had to be good.
Pray continue with the football roll of honour.
And Happy New Year.
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Post by londonranger on Jan 6, 2010 16:40:51 GMT
Wonderful. great to see you posting again. Been missed.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 7, 2010 9:25:00 GMT
"For Paladini" - he has a decent smile??
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Post by superckat on Jan 7, 2010 13:54:03 GMT
Finney, absolutely brilliant. Would be interested to see Funky's response to that. I also don't understand when Funky says
"Now for those that want him to go and us for look for someone better, thats fine as well we will all just have to agree to disagree "
Why would anyone disagree with finding someone better to do a job that isn't being done well. Why not want improvement.
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Post by klr on Jan 7, 2010 14:25:41 GMT
We dont need a "Director Of Football" at our football club, it really is as simple as that.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 8, 2010 7:00:28 GMT
We dont need a "Director Of Football" at our football club, it really is as simple as that. Exactly, game, set and match. We don't, we could save some decent money and we could let a decent manager - when we get one, do all the purchasing if required.
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Post by funky on Jan 9, 2010 8:45:31 GMT
Game Set and Match no not really , I dont call calling two people that have made roughly 20 billion pounds in business clueless.
Burnley great example just lost there manager to Bolton, if only they had had the money to keep him.
Would you have really wanted to of watched us play like Stoke every week, when we had Holloway you were one of his biggest critics Paul, begging the board to bring in Gary Waddock and Alan Mcdonald, the result they nearly relegated us.
Joe Gallen was replaced by Steve Brown who also won the league Paul, we hardly went backwards did we?
I'm sure I watched our youngsters in the final of the Puma Alliance Cup last year.
Although I do agree we need to upgrade the entire youth set up.
The clubs hardly a laughing stock in the press although when some fans appear on Sky Sports News and London tonight I do share your sentiments it is quite cringe worthy.
We need to all calm down a bit I agree some people hate GP I use those words beacuse thats what it is. I dont I quite like they guy and when we were fourth in the league no one was moaning.
Lets try and clear out some of the dead wood this January and bring in a few players for the promotion push.
Come on URRRSSSSSSSS
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 9, 2010 9:10:21 GMT
The clubs hardly a laughing stock in the press although when some fans appear on Sky Sports News and London tonight I do share your sentiments it is quite cringe worthy. We need to all calm down a bit I agree some people hate GP I use those words beacuse thats what it is. I dont I quite like they guy and when we were fourth in the league no one was moaning. Lets try and clear out some of the dead wood this January and bring in a few players for the promotion push. Off the top: As I said in one of my posts a few day ago, Funky: When you go beyond the Paladini/Sousa issuues, on many of the issues, doesn't sound like there's too much disagreement re "clear[ing] out some of the dead wood" - Well where did this "dead wood" come from? How did it get to QPR Re The Billionaires being "clueless" - (Not my term). Obviously know how to make money. It's more what they've done at QPR.. Re Lauging Stock" in the press: Again not my term, but I think it's actually close to being true.
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Post by cpr on Jan 9, 2010 9:23:07 GMT
Of course we are a laughing stock in the press, anyone who thinks we are not obviously does not read the newspapers, from broadsheet to red top. There is always some little pop, even if it is simply aimed at Briatore.
Why do two or three people always insist people hate Paladini? I find that offensive, I don't hate him, I'd just like him to move on or at least not be doing the job, I use that word reservedly, that he has.
From what I see on the few sites I use, the number of people expressing a desire for Paladini to remain in place does not reach double figures but I'm sure that will also be denied.
None so blind as those that cannot see.
He may well be regarded as a scapegoat but we cannot go on sacking managers every six months and Briatore is hardly likely to kick himself out, when it finally dawns on him, is he?
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 9, 2010 11:33:18 GMT
If your doctor or dentist or auto-mechanic or lawyer had the same level of success in his/her field as Paladini has had in running QPR/making transfer deals: Would you stick with that Doctor, dentist, etc? Or would you switch?
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Post by finney on Jan 9, 2010 12:35:52 GMT
Game Set and Match no not really , I dont call calling two people that have made roughly 20 billion pounds in business clueless.
The running of Queen's Park Rangers at this time would say otherwise and none of them had any Previous Exp. in the set up and running of a football club and the fact season tickets sales are down and the lack of good feeling around the place can show no matter who you are or how rich you, mistakes can and will be made.
Burnley great example just lost there manager to Bolton, if only they had had the money to keep him.
You will find that it was Darkside the Bolton Chairman who give Burnley a call when they needed a manager and told them how impressed they were with Coyle. As they talked to him before they chose Megson He i guess went to bolton as they are in the prem longer and have maybe better players to work with and also more money to spend. If i was him i would have waited a wee bit longer for a better job. And if someone like Newcastle had a brain they would have moved heaven and earth to get him at the start of the season.
Would you have really wanted to of watched us play like Stoke every week, when we had Holloway you were one of his biggest critics Paul, begging the board to bring in Gary Waddock and Alan Mcdonald, the result they nearly relegated us.
First of all if we were in the postion of Stoke you would be jumping around like a kid with an all day pass in Hamleys and saying that Gianni was now king of West London and getting on the case of those who dared asked questions about him and infact you would be like a dog with two dicks. Also the football we have played of late makes stoke look like Brazil in the 70's,
Right on Holloway we did not see eye to eye on some things and at times like all fans i was not sure about some of what was going on and at times i was wrong and if you recall when we finished tenth i did a post about how i was enjoying my humble pie and thank you Mr Holloway. And you know what me and Ian got on ok we are both the same kind of people in that we speak out and our passionate about things and i had nothing but respect for the man even after we had a very public fall out in and many months later after what happened to him at rangers he knew that what i was telling him at the time about a set up was true. I seem to recall it was you're mate Gp that got rid of Ian not me. And one other thing i never ever asked for Gary Waddock to take over with Alan McDonald that again is a lie i was as shocked as anyone when Macca came back.
For the record i felt that Gary was hard done by in the fact that our pre season trip to Italy was a joke and did not get a say in the players coming in to the club and also it was too soon for him. And i think that he was not at that time able to stand up to Gianni. If i recall there was a picture nico took of GP in trainning gear and all the coaches were around as if he was the manager. Macca went on to win the Irish league and Gary took the shots into the English league.
what nearly relegated us was the utter shambles the club and the kind of signings we made that were dire.
Joe Gallen was replaced by Steve Brown who also won the league Paul, we hardly went backwards did we?
Daer oh dear again funky the fact was that the kids were second year kids and Steve and Keith kicked on from where Joe left off. But it was Joe that found players that went form youth to the first team and even one was sold to the spuds and we had kids in the england youth set up which for a club like Rangers was outstanding.
I'm sure I watched our youngsters in the final of the Puma Alliance Cup last year.
Yep and the point?
Although I do agree we need to upgrade the entire youth set up.
Upgrade are you serious it needs some serious investment and the fact that this club board have ignored it is something that i think is unforgiveable at this time we spend more on agents fees that our youth set up.
The clubs hardly a laughing stock in the press although when some fans appear on Sky Sports News and London tonight I do share your sentiments it is quite cringe worthy.
Ouch i guess that was aimed at me! Right when i went on SKY it was to ask the club to think before it makes kneejerk actions like the sacking of Sousa and the reasons made public for that,which i felt that made us as a club look laughable in the media.
And i was asking them did they have a four minute plan nevermind a four year one and also i felt that the prices were wrong and that many fans had been priced out. now what was wrong about that? And on London tonight and the BBC clip was to beg the FL and FA not to take points off us and not to act on QPR for the actions of what was going on at F1 in the fallout of the crashgate saga. again what was wrong in that?
We need to all calm down a bit I agree some people hate GP I use those words beacuse thats what it is. I dont I quite like they guy and when we were fourth in the league no one was moaning.
I do not hate the man i think he is not the person to run the club and i have said that for years no matter were we were in the league.
Lets try and clear out some of the dead wood this January and bring in a few players for the promotion push.
I think that statement shows that you have no idea what you are talking about the dead wood is here for years due too the stupid deals that we gave out and i think you will find that GP has worked on all the deals of this dead wood you talk about. For me the squad is way too big unbalanced and also too many in one area of the park and other postions ignored and yet we are trying to send the likes of Vine out on loan while taking the reserve front two of Hull the player turnover is huge i fear the deals are done in sheer panic and not people who know what is best for the team. And as i said at the time the selling of Camp and Blackstock was not in the best interests of the team and they had gone too cheap. fact is we have way too many players and to think that Burnley went up last season on half the squad we have tells its own story.
Come on URRRSSSSSSSS
I agree with that and always will do.
Now Funky as you have been digging me out all over the place again and making it personal.Let us talk about people with agandas why did you try and get a gang of people together in the green to beat me up? Now do not say that is not true as i had others with me. and a few weeks later a old friend of mine came up to me and said he was sorry that he came downstaires as you had told people a pack of lies and did not say it was me and when he seen it was me him and others went back upstaires as some of them i played football with in the 80's and some i drank with for years,And they knew i would not have done what you said i did. Now that was an act that could have seen me hurt and for what ? And i know for a fact that you posted as the Rev on WATRB and other names you even got pulled up on it, them alter egos were used attacking me online and even my business and family you are a very sad soul funky who will cross any line with no thoughts of what those actions would do. I pity you and i hope and pray you do not do that kind of thing again.
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 9, 2010 12:43:01 GMT
While wait for Funky's response By Nico De Marco
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 9, 2010 12:46:40 GMT
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Post by FloridaR on Jan 9, 2010 13:49:00 GMT
nice posting paul
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Post by awrightmush on Jan 9, 2010 16:24:58 GMT
excellent post finney, fair true and to the point, so it will go stgraight over funky.........
interesting this man of "peace" tried to have you beaten up...i had heard a rumour of this but did nt know it was you.
so funky now joins QBP and councillor Fisher in the hall of shamed liars...QPR fans my A*SE
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