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« Thread Started on Jul 25, 2009, 8:56pm » | |
For having Paulo Sousa as my avatar.
What do you think the mindset is we are dealing with here ??
I can give you my reasons & mindset for having Sousa as my avatar; his dismissal represents for me a nadir in my life as a QPR fan, & I found & still find it unacceptable the way that someone who has achieved so much in this sport was treated like that by people who have achieved nothing in this sport, my point is that if that is the new QPR, then I'm not sure how much or if I want any part of it whatsoever.
Its not the QPR that any of us grew up supporting when someone the calibre of which we have never even had at our club before was treated even more shabbily than the likes of Holloway, just not acceptable for me.
Sousa for me was a pragmatist & I could tell by the way he was talking that he genuinely wanted to move the club forward & he was going to do it his way, because, lets be brutally honest, no one at our club is in any position to tell him any otherwise, he was sacked after five months! Borrowdale was brought in against his wishes less than a week after he had arrived, its unbelievable how bad some of this when you look back on it.
I felt so strongly about this that I actually sent the man a letter, just telling him that most of the fans were behind him & how we all felt disgusted with the way he was treated, to be honest, all I can hope is that he read it & thought fair play mate.
Well, all I can say is good luck to him, should still be QPR manager, but we will have to see what he does with Swansea, my guess is he will do something good with Swansea, a top ten finish for Swansea is what I would call a good job.
"ONWARDS & UPWARDS" ! 
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« Reply #1 on Jul 25, 2009, 9:29pm » | |
Why on earth would someone care about your avatar?
Did you spurn their romantic advances because this kind of obsessive behaviour screams BUNNY BOILER!
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« Reply #3 on Jul 25, 2009, 10:55pm » | |
I think one message we can take from this is that as long as this outfit is in charge, it can happen to any manager any player any time.
It is not about football, it is about financial, profits and losses, and the financial position of the CEO. CFO and Board. Not of QPR.
Thats how the team has changed and its no longer our team. There are other reasons why objections to Sousa arose, and it has nothing to do with Sousa.
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« Reply #4 on Jul 26, 2009, 6:42am » | |
Jul 25, 2009, 10:04pm, QPR Report wrote:
My Avatar on Indys is... 
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What's it actually say?
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« Reply #5 on Jul 26, 2009, 8:37am » | |
Just to say i am back online after my hissy fit the other week and have made up with mike.
Are you serious about getting stick for that avatar?
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« Reply #6 on Jul 26, 2009, 8:45am » | |
Welcome back Finney.
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« Reply #7 on Jul 26, 2009, 8:47am » | |
Cheers for that.
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« Reply #8 on Jul 26, 2009, 8:58am » | |
How was Oxford?
I used to like the Manor Ground, what's the new one like?
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« Reply #9 on Jul 26, 2009, 9:01am » | |
Is the inferrance that because you have Sousa as your avatar you are celebrating a murky episode in our past that would rather be swept under the carpet by some?
I don't see that at all. It is purely a mark of respect to a previous manager whom you liked and wanted to take us up as you respect him both as a player and as a person.
How can someone have a problem with that?
Strange indeed....................... 
I've said it before and I will say it again: if a fellow supporter judges your support it's because he/she has to quantify peoples support so that he/she can measure it against his/her own. He/She would only do this this if they were unsure of their support as there is nothing to be gained from it other than to affirm their own 'status' as a supporter.
KLR - If the person who is questioning your avatar won't actually do so here though, don't you find that a bit like what nasty bitchy people do, ie. say bad things about you behind your back as it were, and if so, do they even deserve a reply let alone a well thought out, polite one?
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« Reply #10 on Jul 26, 2009, 9:09am » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 8:58am, Zed wrote:How was Oxford?
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Oh it was dandy went with my daughter and nephew plus two mates.
Nice ground good turnout of Rangers fans and i seen Gary Borrowdale play.
As it happens i thought we did ok at times and to be honest same as last season some good work, undone by no final finish.
Still think the team is unbalanced and we need that forward fire power and to see centre halfs playing as full backs again is a worry.
Big Pat looked like he needs to find his confidence again.
Looking like some serious hard to get done for that top six finish.
Still some will be over the moon as it was not a 0-0 draw!
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« Reply #11 on Jul 26, 2009, 9:37am » | |
Criticising others "support" & relationship with the club is another bugbear of mine, I only made it down to Rangers five times last year & because I wasnt at Barnsley, Doncaster & Burnley away, it seems I'm not allowed to & havent got a valid point to offer.
Mike gets a bit of stick, but the amount of effort he puts in on the internet is the sign of a true supporter, Finney gets stick from some of these clowns for being from Ireland, that just shows downright ignorance when everyone knows that we have got a significant Irish fanbase & always have that Irish fanbase, along with Australians, West Indians etc, this is what QPR is about.
I dont think my Dad has been to see Rangers in three or four years, but he saw every game that Rodney Marsh ever played for the club & therefore witnessed the Halcyon days of QPR, the real QPR not the QPR with a Gulf Air logo splattered across the front of our shirts.
I think that is amongst the biggest load of nonsense I have ever read on these boards, people criticising others supports, I didnt go last season because I was skint, & in the main I didnt like the football I saw when I did go & to be brutally honest I dont think I did miss out on much, there was a bad atmosphere around QPR last season, it wasnt the good buzz it usually is at Loftus Road.
People shouldnt criticise others relationship with the club, & well, maybe I'm not better than the type of people I'm talking about, because I'm going to have a dig, but at least I feel genuinely hand on my heart that I am loyal to the club, the badge & the whole essence & identity of our clubs 127 year history, as opposed to loyalty to certain individuals who will come & go.
Probably waffling on now, but you know.........??
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« Reply #12 on Jul 26, 2009, 9:43am » | |
900 was a very good turnout for a Friday night. Wish I could have made it.
Getting back to the thread. I totally agree with Mark. To me it appears to be the action of a very strange and insecure nobody perhaps with lots to hide.
F*** 'em!
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« Reply #13 on Jul 26, 2009, 10:05am » | |
I agree with zed.
Where did this criticism come from?
Tell the coward/cowards to come on here and criticise it.
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« Reply #14 on Jul 26, 2009, 10:37am » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 6:42am, eusebio13 wrote:
It says: "We Love Gianni"
(It came originally from the QPR Official Site 2-3 years ago, where it was part of a bigger photo)
re Sousa: The timing of the firing was bad and hurt the club. At the end of the season, if really unhappy, ok (maybe). Hurt our chance of getting others to join QPR as we went through a slew of managers.
As to how it was done. The "rationale" that the club gave "leaking sensitive information" or however it was characterized. I mean come on. THAT supposed interview...The "clarifications" that were made re Sousa's comments, etc.
re the manner of Sousa's departure: I felt it was shameful; too clever by half. And it reminded me of Holloway being put on Gardening Leave after his Leicester interview (which we supposedly agreed to.) Just no way to treat someone after five years doing what he did for QPR. (Again: Axe him if you want, but not in that way)
So it's not just what you do but how you do it.
And then whether Sousa would have made good; style of QPR play, etc. Well we're going to see how Swansea do. Not just whether they finish higher than QPR, which I doubt. But whether what Sousa brings to Swansea is something that would have done at QPR
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« Reply #15 on Jul 26, 2009, 10:42am » | |
Absolutely...this QPR fundamentalism is hogwash..."I've been to Slovenia so my opinion is more valid than your"...."Oh yeah baby I'm so hardcore I am right and you are wrong".
Lets not worry about intellect or reasoned argument shall we.
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« Reply #16 on Jul 26, 2009, 10:55am » | |
Every now and then there is a debate (on more than one site) about what constitutes "a fan" and "a supporter" etc. And who's better than who; who should be "allowed" to comment, etc.
And should one be "allowed" to comment if you haven't seen a player.
On the first part: I've always believed that if you thought you were a QPR supporter, you probably were. It's not something you need to prove to others: You know how you feel when QPR win or lose; how interested you are in the club, etc. Now if you claim to be a supporter for a long period of time, then that is something that's fair to question if it's not true. But beyond that? No.
Personally I obviously spend an inordinate time of this subject! I'll say no more.
Now it is fair to question if someone hasn't seen the team or a player play, his critique of how the team is playing. But that applies to everyone equally. For current players and for new players. And is just as true for those who rave about new signings that they've never seen as for those who question.
But as long as people are aware on what you base your judgement on. That you've seen him, or not. So be it.
Bottomline: You don't require the approval or consent of others to be a QPR supporter. This is not a political party or an Official Church (although obviously it is tantamount to a religioun) and there is no official Dogma (or authority) which determines who or what constitutes a QPR fan. Or what is the "proper" way to support the club.
You can make an argument: Is it just the role of a supporter to endorse the activities of the people running the club? Should a true QPR fan actually raise questions or criticisms when they feel appropriate. And everyone has to decide for themself when they should do that.
I'd say booing players during a game is beyond the pale (and counterproductive as well). But messagboard discussion is self-evident.
Whatever the legal and fiscal realities: The owners do OWN the club. But it's really more of a sacred trust. It's the suporters - not the owners, managers, staff, players - who really are the club.
Just as an example: Look at QPR a decade ago: Players,Managers, coaches, board, almost all office staff - at QPR then, are no longer at QPR. But we fans are.
Etc, etc, etc.
So my bottom line: You can support Sousa's axing. You can oppose Sousa's axing. You can say great things about the QPR board. Or totally criticize them. You're still a QPR fan (however wrong you may be! ) And that why these board fights are so unfortunate.
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« Reply #17 on Jul 26, 2009, 12:49pm » | |
klr, I do not get this you have to go too games to have a point on the club.
That was the mind set of twelve year olds many years ago at school.
I used to go too all Rangers games home away and pre seasons as well.
But like many you get on in life you get a family,a job and do what you can to follow you're club be it one game or more it matters not.
I was told that due to the fact i am Irish and was not born here i do not get QPR, what a load of shitee.
Rangers is a club that all of us get from W12 too the end of the earth we are all QPR.
I do not get this super fan mindset at all.
People who get to watch rangers all over the season and the world are lucky and i wish i could do the same.
End of the day if QPR matters to you then you do not need to justify, that to anyone least of all to middle aged men who should know better.
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« Reply #18 on Jul 26, 2009, 1:30pm » | |
who gives a flying sausage what your avatar is,could be a picture of your bare toush with a pineapple sticking out of it for all i care.mind you that would give you something else to moan about.you remind me of the robot from hitch hikers guide to the galaxy"oh woe is me"yawwwwwwwwn
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« Reply #19 on Jul 26, 2009, 2:44pm » | |
Now now Big Ade you shouldn't get personal....if you find his posts too depressing don't read them
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« Reply #20 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:00pm » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 1:30pm, bigade wrote:| who gives a flying sausage what your avatar is,could be a picture of your bare toush with a pineapple sticking out of it for all i care.mind you that would give you something else to moan about.you remind me of the robot from hitch hikers guide to the galaxy"oh woe is me"yawwwwwwwwn |
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Without wishing or intending to speak for Kir, I'd say specifically re his Avatar, that was a response to what was said on this thread (In case you missed it, http://qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi....ead=5211&page=1 )
But I think more broadly, there were a number of critiques (to be charitable) of Kir (not so much on this site) for being "too negative" etc - without actually substantively getting into what he said. Just "Negativity" type subject box.
And I'd say I'm being very mild in this description
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« Reply #21 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:01pm » | |
I felt so strongly about this that I actually sent the man a letter, just telling him that most of the fans were behind him
LMFAO
Yes and thats why NO ONE sung his name at games
Yes and thats why EVERYONE coated him off after every game for his tactics.
Honestly LMFAO
I reckon I'd have more joy starting up a song for Devon White than what I could have done for Sousa last season!!
Anyway, you said you were boycotting the club for a year klr so I'll be sure to send you match reports
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« Reply #22 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:03pm » | |
Oh and happy birthday for next week klr. try and enjoy it
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« Reply #23 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:04pm » | |
Would like to see this thread blocked.
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« Reply #24 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:07pm » | |
My normal caveat: I obviously didn't experience the football or the fan attitude.
I think most people on most messageboards were still supportive of Sousa at the time of his axing. Wanted to give him more time. Pre-season. Very very few fan posts were urging the dismissal of Sousa. (AN obvious exception I don't need to belabour)
Although think most fans wanted him to be choosing the players. Not anyone else.
And even fans unhappy with Sousa thought HOW he was axed was disgusting. (Much like how Holloway was considered disgusting by quite a few - even those who thought his football was attrocious). And the fact that it came in the aftermath of those posts - without getting all that right now - was also disturbing. The fact that what Sousa ostensibly said to the fan elicited so swiftly very "strong" rebuttals was very peculiar.
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« Reply #25 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:11pm » | |
For me, I dont care. Worst football i have watched at Loftus Road for years, he got fired, he had no comeback as he was bang to rights and now he's Swansea boss.
Coulcnt give a monkeys about him and I dont see why anyone else would. Crap employee and sacked for gross misconduct.
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Roll on the season thats all the matters.
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« Reply #26 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:17pm » | |
Clearly views differ! As I said, many or most fans were not seeking his ouster. And even more fans felt the timing and the way it was done was not right.
And to state what you already know, the way the message just appeared and the response also elicited a lot of comment!
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« Reply #27 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:18pm » | |
I just want the new season to start. Moaning for moanings sake does my head in
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« Reply #28 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:21pm » | |
Well I know views differ. But I don't think you just let things pass just because they're a done deal. Think Cardiff Fire Alarm!
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« Reply #29 on Jul 26, 2009, 3:59pm » | |
Well, unfortunately I think it was a little obvious that the odious Mr Jones would be making an appearance in this thread in his usual downright snidey & dishonourable manner.
People call me "Negative" which is meant as a criticism obviously, but would you rather be seen as negative or divisive  Hmmm.
I for one would never talk to fellow QPR fans in the snidey manner that the odious Mr Jones often does, even if I dont like someones opinion / "internet persona" I dont think I have ever gone beyond the pale in terms of personal comments, I wonder if the same could be said of the odious Mr Jones ??
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