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Post by Macmoish on Oct 3, 2012 7:17:45 GMT
3 Years ago after six Games....
(We had just dropped points in a 1-1 Home Draw vs Aston Villa, the PM watching - and we were set to get Crushed by Fulham, 6-0)
2011-2012
1 Man Utd 6 17 16 2 Man City 6 14 16 3 Chelsea 6 5 13 4 Newcastle 6 4 12 5 Liverpool 6 0 10 6 Tottenham 5 0 9 7 Stoke 6 -2 9 8 Aston Villa 6 2 8 9 QPR 6 -2 8 10 Everton 5 0 7 11 Wolves 6 -3 7 12 Arsenal 6 -5 7 13 Sunderland 5 2 5 14 Norwich 5 -2 5 15 Wigan 6 -4 5 16 Swansea 6 -5 5 17 Fulham 6 -3 4 18 Blackburn 6 -5 4 19 West Brom 6 -5 4 20 Bolton 6 -8 3
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 3, 2012 7:20:40 GMT
And what it looks 2 Years ago today, after six games
2012-13
Club Pld Pts
Chelsea 6 16 Everton 6 13 Man Utd 6 12 Man City 6 12 Tottenham 6 11 West Brom 6 11 West Ham 6 11 Arsenal 6 9 Fulham 6 9 Newcastle 6 9 Swansea 6 7 Stoke 6 7 Sunderland 5 7 Liverpool 6 5 Aston Villa 6 5 Wigan 6 4 Southampton 6 3 Norwich 6 3 Reading 5 2 QPR 6 2
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 3, 2012 9:10:27 GMT
Show me the League Table after 38 games thats the one i care about We hadnt played Spurs,Chelsea and City ! Next i expect we see the table after 12 games 15 pts for QPR last season , another one we will probably be behind this year compared to last? I will be more interested in the one after 19 games Mac On 2nd Jan , Warnock 17 pts very surprised if we dont pick up more than 15 pts in the next 13 games ! Maybe you put up some tables again then for me
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 3, 2012 9:11:59 GMT
If you remind me to, I'll be happy to! I'll be happy right now to list all the away victories we've achieved under Manager Mark Hughes. See below
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 3, 2012 9:18:35 GMT
I dont really give a hoots about away victories , all i care l about is getting points , forty of them , away victories are great , we should have had one against Spurs , but again that was Hughes fault for missing all those Chances ! Im more concerned about getting the defenders back , getting confidence back , getting Adel back in the team ! Oh yes i shall be reminding you I have written it in my little black book ! Theres quite alot going down in there at the minute
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 3, 2012 9:25:38 GMT
I think there are probably worse things in life than staying up - and being reminded By Mr. H about past concerns about Hughes and Relegation. On the other hand, If the very worst came to the very worst - and the shoe should on the other foot, there would of course be no joy - or point - in my reposting to you past optimistic statements. Definitely a "Shock Win" at WBA, will be a great, great feeling (Oh and after all Hughes has spent in the past two transfer windows - players and wages (and he and his Coaching team are earning), I would certainly hope he'd do a lock better than Warnock's squad!
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 3, 2012 9:58:07 GMT
I think there are probably worse things in life than staying up - and being reminded By Mr. H about past concerns about Hughes and Relegation. On the other hand, If the very worst came to the very worst - and the shoe should on the other foot, there would of course be no joy - or point - in my reposting to you past optimistic statements. Definitely a "Shock Win" at WBA, will be a great, great feeling (Oh and after all Hughes has spent in the past two transfer windows - players and wages (and he and his Coaching team are earning), I would certainly hope he'd do a lock better than Warnock's squad! So would i but as you know these things cant happen overnight , any supporter that thought we would be in the top 10 this year with the changes going on i feel set unreal objectives and targets maybe in a year or two but this was never going to happen this year. Football fans want instant success , it very rarely happens , i still think we can finish around 14 th . I would rather be lingering in the bottom three of the Prem than playing League 1 football though. I wonder if the next Manager will still be compared constantly with NW , or was it just to be the next one that had to take the position after he was removed . Guess in time we shall see ? My guess is the next one , hopefully not for some time wont be compared as much? I really dont see what it achieves , i mean we dont compare Hughes to Holloway or Hughes to Dowie or Hughes to Luigi de Canio or Sousa ? I guess if Hughes had 9 points after 6 games these type of threads wouldnt exist ? Not that i think it will happen , but hypothetically if Hughes was sacked in Jan , we got another Manager in , we compared him with Warnock too , who would get bet the most blame if we got relegated ?50/ 50 split ? My guess Hughes ! At the end of the day Warnock didnt love Qpr any more than SheffU , Plymouth , Palace or a local pub team , it was just a job , one that he did exceptionally well to get us promoted but again was found to be out his depth in the Premiership!
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Post by alfaranger on Oct 3, 2012 11:22:19 GMT
I think there are probably worse things in life than staying up - and being reminded By Mr. H about past concerns about Hughes and Relegation. On the other hand, If the very worst came to the very worst - and the shoe should on the other foot, there would of course be no joy - or point - in my reposting to you past optimistic statements. Definitely a "Shock Win" at WBA, will be a great, great feeling (Oh and after all Hughes has spent in the past two transfer windows - players and wages (and he and his Coaching team are earning), I would certainly hope he'd do a lock better than Warnock's squad! At the end of the day Warnock didnt love Qpr any more than SheffU , Plymouth , Palace or a local pub team , it was just a job , one that he did exceptionally well to get us promoted but again was found to be out his depth in the Premiership! This is true and I think Hughes is every bit as good as Warnock and will keep us up. However I dont think the bit about NW being being out of his depth in the premiership is correct although it is often stated here. He bought a very overperforming Notts County up in succesive promotions and didnt have any money to spend on (then first division) players. He bought an overperforming Sheffield Utd up (with lingering memories of old glories which made you think they were better than they were) and had very little money. He bought us up after taking over in a relegation fight (overperformed - I dont know) and initially had no money - well, enough to buy cheap cast offs and then had some money last minute when all that were available were Ferdinand who couldnt get into a crap Sunderland team, Barton who nobody wanted to touch and SWP who found himself on the bench for whatever team he played for and was only a good player according to his dad. We didnt buy anybody that was wanted by another team. Hughes has had the time and money to buy a whole new team which he has done (assisted by Joorabchian who directed him to his own pool of players). The point is that you dont know what Warnock would have made of that opportunity. Comparison of being manager of an overperforming team with no money with a manager of an underperforming team whos just bought a whole new team thats not 'gelled' (there, I said it) yet is not well structured and is unbalanced. This is neither a defence of one or an attack on the other because we could go on to speculate on the abilities of each in different circumstances. We are where we are and I am sure the best will be made of it. Hughes is allowed to make mistakes and as long as he puts it right I shall stay behind him.
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Post by scubahoop on Oct 3, 2012 12:26:52 GMT
Great post alfaranger. Agree with you 100% about Warnock. Wish we still had him to be honest.
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Post by manta on Oct 3, 2012 15:46:49 GMT
Another feel-good thread from Macca If you're going to milk it you may as well go one further. Compare our current position to the same point when we got relegated in 1996. It will be a belter. Ok in a word we're doing shit. Does that succinctly sum up our current situation enough?
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 3, 2012 15:56:07 GMT
It will take slightly greater research for me to do the 1996 relegation Table
(or the 1978/79 relegation)
Or the 1968/69 Relegation!
But I'd imagine in all instances we had more than two points!
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Post by Bushman on Oct 3, 2012 15:57:39 GMT
Ok in a word we're doing shit. Does that succinctly sum up our current situation enough? Good to see you have come to your senses manta. ;D
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Post by Bushman on Oct 3, 2012 16:05:34 GMT
It will take slightly greater research for me to do the 1996 relegation Table (or the 1978/79 relegation) Or the 1968/69 Relegation! But I'd imagine in all instances we had more than two points! Save the research Mac. First 6 games. 1996-97 2 wins. 1978-79 1 win, 1 draw. 1968-69 3 draws.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 3, 2012 16:22:30 GMT
Crikey , not only does Mac keep on at it , now Bushman wants my job ? ;D
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 3, 2012 16:54:13 GMT
Crikey , not only does Mac keep on at it , now Bushman wants my job ? ;D As in "QPR have now played away for an entire day and night (also known as 24 hours) since their last Away win" But I'll leave that to you, Mr. H
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 3, 2012 17:00:05 GMT
And just to be 100% Clear: If Hughes can do the job/does the job, he's my man! When (Sadly, I felt) Warnock was axed, I 100% hoped that Hughes would be the replacement. Pre-Season, I forecast that Hughes would lead QPR into the top 10 this season. All the things I said before in my posts about Hughes remain: Organized; too big an infrastructure to axe, etc, etc.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 3, 2013 7:10:38 GMT
2011/2012. 1 Man Utd 6 17 16 2 Man City 6 14 16 3 Chelsea 6 5 13 4 Newcastle 6 4 12 5 Liverpool 6 0 10 6 Tottenham 5 0 9 7 Stoke 6 -2 9 8 Aston Villa 6 2 8 9 QPR 6 -2 8 10 Everton 5 0 7 11 Wolves 6 -3 7 12 Arsenal 6 -5 7 13 Sunderland 5 2 5 14 Norwich 5 -2 5 15 Wigan 6 -4 5 16 Swansea 6 -5 5 17 Fulham 6 -3 4 18 Blackburn 6 -5 4 19 West Brom 6 -5 4 20 Bolton 6 -8 3 2012/13Chelsea 6 16 Everton 6 13 Man Utd 6 12 Man City 6 12 Tottenham 6 11 West Brom 6 11 West Ham 6 11 Arsenal 6 9 Fulham 6 9 Newcastle 6 9 Swansea 6 7 Stoke 6 7 Sunderland 5 7 Liverpool 6 5 Aston Villa 6 5 Wigan 6 4 Southampton 6 3 Norwich 6 3 Reading 5 2 QPR 6 2 And what this season's 2013/2014 Premier League Table looks like after six games Arsenal 6 15 Liverpool 6 13 Tottenham 6 13 Everton 6 12 Chelsea 6 11 Southampton 6 11 Man City 6 10 Hull 6 10 Aston Villa 6 9 West Brom 6 8 Cardiff 6 8 Man Utd 6 7 Swansea 6 7 Norwich 6 7 Stoke 6 7 Newcastle 6 7 West Ham 6 5 Fulham 6 4 Crystal Palace 6 3 Sunderland 6 1 www.premierleague.com/en-gb.html
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 2, 2014 7:22:12 GMT
Bumpy
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Post by harr on Oct 2, 2014 9:47:09 GMT
Interesting read that Mac , I was much more positive in those days ? I guess that's what 2 and a bit years under performing in the Prem does to you .
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Post by londonranger on Oct 2, 2014 20:53:52 GMT
See first six games as pre season, since we really didn't have a proper one...... Leyton Orient etc....... So for me , season starts Sunday at Hammers.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 2, 2014 21:41:43 GMT
Looking back, Warnock was fired after 20 games when we had 17 points (begin January)
Hughes was fired in Nov after 12? games and 4 points
QPR currently have played 6 games and have 4 points
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Post by harr on Oct 2, 2014 22:18:45 GMT
Yep and our best chance of points in the next five games is sunday and Villa at home .
Well I think we had enough pre season . About 7 games via UK Ireland and Germany . If we didn't get the players in early enough well that's another story .
Southamptons players had a disjointed preseason , where are they sitting ? 2 nd .
As far as I am concerned it's all about getting the players up for that first game and the coaching and it hasn't been good enough the first 6 games and those 6 games were no easier than the next 6 will be . If we only have 8 PTS after 12 games we will be in a bit of a mess.
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