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Post by Macmoish on Jul 10, 2012 6:56:54 GMT
GUARDIAN Rangers block international clearance for transfers of five players • Everton's Steven Naismith among those affected • New club owner rejects idea that players are free agents International clearance for the transfers of Steve Davis, Kyle Lafferty, Jamie Ness, Steven Whittaker and Steven Naismith has been put on hold as Rangers newco continue to dispute the players' status. A number of Ibrox players, following advice from their union, PFA Scotland, rejected the chance to transfer their contracts from Rangers to Charles Green's Sevco consortium. Green rejects the claim that the players are free agents and the former Sheffield United chief executive sent letters to clubs across the UK warning them that the players who objected to the switch to Sevco were in breach of contract. Naismith has moved to Everton, Whittaker has signed for Norwich and Ness has joined Stoke. Davis is at Southampton, while Lafferty is at the Swiss side Sion. The Scottish Football Association cannot complete international transfer clearance for the players, as that has to be signed by all parties. But the association to which the players are affiliated can request temporary registration from Fifa to allow the player to play during the period of arbitration. The PFA Scotland solicitor, Margaret Gribbon, said: "It is no surprise. There are objections from Rangers plc and the newco. We knew it was going to happen. They were always going to do that and there is a process that now has to be followed." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/09/rangers-block-transfers
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 13, 2012 7:08:06 GMT
Guardian/David Conn Rangers reduced to wreckage and life in a different league The once-mighty Rangers face tough questions and the prospect of pleading for acceptance into the Scottish Football League's First Division guardian.co.uk, Thursday 12 July 2012 08.33 EDT Contemplating the husk of the once-mighty Rangers, reduced on Friday to pleading for acceptance into the Scottish Football League's First Division, you can take your pick of the high point which best illustrates the depth of this fall. Many people think automatically of 20 years ago, when Walter Smith's Scottish title winners beat England's, Leeds United, in the European Champions League, and came within one goal of the final, losing to a Marseille later convicted of match-fixing in their own league. Or just four years ago, when Rangers, again managed by Smith, competed in the Uefa Cup final, their fans descending on Manchester in tens of thousands to see a 2-0 defeat by Zenit St Petersburg. At home, there was the procession of Scottish Premier League championships, shared seven each with Celtic since the country's top clubs mounted their financially driven breakaway from the SFL in 1998. A deep breath is needed before summing up the state Rangers are in now. The Glasgow football institution collapsed into administration in February owing a possible £100m, nine months after a disastrous sale of the club for £1 by its former owner Sir David Murray to the now-disgraced Craig Whyte. That takeover is the subject of an investigation by Strathclyde Police, in conjunction with the Serious Fraud Office, to examine whether any criminal offences of dishonesty were committed. The SFL clubs are meeting at Hampden Park on Friday to consider whether even to accept the bones of a newly-formed Rangers, perhaps into its Third Division of threadbare crowds, which many fans and clubs believe to be just. The chief executives of the SPL and Scottish Football Association, and David Longmuir, the SFL chief executive, have urged the clubs to accept Rangers into the First Division. They warn that the SPL's TV and sponsorship deals, which financially maintain Scottish professional football, will collapse if Rangers are exiled from the SPL for too long. Rangers' grand name has landed in this historic embarrassment because of the way its assets – essentially Ibrox and the Murray Park training ground – were sold by the insolvent club's administrators, Duff and Phelps. The Yorkshire businessman Charles Green, formerly chairman of modestly performing minor plcs, backed by a consortium including offshore trusts not yet fully identified, bought the bones of Rangers for £5.5m. That acquisition was not approved by 75% of creditors, in a company voluntary arrangement, the mode of post-insolvency salvage preferred by the football authorities north and south of the border. Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs, beyond tolerance of football clubs leaving millions unpaid in tax, and particularly Rangers, with whom it was already in major dispute, refused to approve a CVA which would deliver a fraction of the amount owed – £21m unpaid under Whyte. So Green then bought the assets with a newly-formed company, Sevco, the £5.5m barely stretching beyond the administrators' fees. Neil Doncaster, the SPL chief executive, argues this distinction should not mean the "newco" Rangers have to start in the Third Division. He has repeatedly stated that BSkyB and ESPN, who have committed £80m to a five-year TV deal from 2012-17, the Clydesdale Bank and other SPL sponsors, require as a condition of their financial commitment that Rangers and Celtic, the two box office names, both be in the SPL. Doncaster told the SFL clubs that the broadcasters and sponsors could live with Rangers out of the SPL for a minimum of one season, but are not interested in broadcasting the Third Division and would walk away or seek greatly reduced renegotiations. The SFL clubs, without bumper attendances or a TV deal, rely on a payment from the SPL agreed when the top clubs broke away, now around £2m. Doncaster has made himself extremely unpopular warning that it, too, would fall away if the SPL collapsed into financial chaos, with reduced TV deals and wages to pay. Some SFL clubs have vowed they would still hold the SPL to it. Doncaster argues that risking this level of financial meltdown over the difference between a sale of assets via a CVA or to a new company, is disproportionate. In English football, the authorities prefer a CVA, but HMRC votes against every proposal, and if its proportion of the total debt is enough, the CVAs fail. Rangers' former Champions League opponents Leeds, whose collapse most closely resembles that of Scotland's fallen giant, had a CVA defeated in 2007. Unnamed investors via offshore tax havens, represented by Ken Bates, bought the club's assets outside the CVA. The team had already been relegated to League One and Leeds were not made to start again, as a new company in League Two. As a sanction for failing to achieve a CVA, the Football League docked Leeds 15 points, on top of the automatic 10 for going into administration – and that 25 point penalty was itself criticised by many Leeds fans as too harsh. Last week the SPL clubs voted overwhelmingly not to accept Green's Rangers newco into the SPL. Doncaster argues that acceptance into the First Division will represent an adequate penalty for the gross failures which led to the club's insolvency, and enable the bulk of the SPL's financial foundations to be maintained. He is supported by the SFA's chief executive, Stewart Regan, who fears that if money is drained out of Scottish football with Rangers in the third, not only top players' wages, but youth and other development projects will be hit. Rangers' collapse has sucked Scottish football into a vortex of political infighting. Last month Longmuir sent proposals out to the SFL clubs urging them to accept Rangers into the First Division, saying if they did not, the SPL would grab the division and call it SPL2, taking Rangers with them. That led smaller clubs to understandable cries of blackmail. Longmuir's proposals suggested that the two leagues themselves could be reunited if the SFL clubs please the SPL by accepting Rangers into the First Division, but that looks a vague offer by the SPL, hastily made, uncertain ever to be fulfilled. Hence clubs' moral outrage at the overspending and scandals, by a great club which should have known better, wrestles on Friday with the practical warnings of meltdown in a sport which, after all, is professional and does need money to survive. The outcome, despite some clubs' public statements, is fiendish to predict. When HMRC voted down the CVA, it made it clear it wanted Rangers liquidated so that a full investigation would be carried out into which directors were responsible for the collapse. HMRC wants BDO, who have been appointed liquidators, to pursue individuals personally for money in recompense if they are found culpable. Whyte will clearly be the subject of any investigation, having bought Rangers without declaring that he had in his record a disqualification from acting as a company director. He promised to pay off Rangers's £18m debt to Lloyds Bank and fund the club but, as is now infamous, only raised the money once he had bought Rangers, by mortgaging four years' season ticket receipts to the factoring company Ticketus. Murray insists Rangers were not heading for administration while he was in charge. In an interview with the Guardian, he also denied that he left Rangers himself to avoid the consequences of losing the tax tribunal case, in which HMRC is challenging the club's use of employee benefit trusts to make payments of £48m between 2001 and 2010. Murray argues that Rangers followed professional advice to pay employees via these offshore loans, a device which was legal at the time; the case turns on how Rangers operated their scheme and senior counsel have argued the club's case. He says even if they lost, he would have sought to negotiate paying the tax due, which would have been "difficult" but do-able, as Rangers had significantly reduced their indebtedness to the bank through the 2000s. "I will be co-operating 100% with any investigations," Murray said, "and I do not believe there will be a case to answer. My great mistake was to sell to Craig Whyte. I owned Rangers for 23 years and put £100m into the club, and this is a very sad end." The manner of any new beginning for the remains of Rangers depends on the votes of Scotland's smaller clubs, most of whom dream of modest success and balancing the books, not of overreaching themselves to bestride the stage in Europe. www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jul/12/rangers-scottish-football-league
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Post by haqpr1963 on Jul 13, 2012 13:06:45 GMT
Rangers to play in Division 3 of SFL........
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 13, 2012 13:08:13 GMT
BBC Scotland's Brian McLauchlin on Twitter: "BBC Scotland has learned vote taken will put Rangers Newco in div 3.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 13, 2012 13:09:53 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 13, 2012 13:33:02 GMT
That's what Rangers deserve, perhaps not their fans but the club itself must have know what was going on. John Grieg will be in tears.
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Post by cpr on Jul 13, 2012 14:00:56 GMT
Scottish football are past masters at cutting their own throat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 17:52:18 GMT
Think I might see what odds I can get on Celtic winning the SPL
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 13, 2012 17:53:53 GMT
Think I might see what odds I can get on Celtic winning the SPL 1/33 apparently
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Post by QPRAirdrie on Jul 13, 2012 19:48:50 GMT
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Post by nadera78 on Jul 13, 2012 20:04:57 GMT
It's a shame for their fans I suppose, but the club has behaved outrageously over this issue. Also, as someone pointed out on another forum, there's only one club in this country that would have refused to pick me even had I been the best footballer in the world, lived round the corner from Ibrox, and offered to play for free. And simply because I was raised in a different denomination. Even celtic, as bad as they are, signed non-catholics. So f*ck 'em.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2012 20:17:11 GMT
I wonder if there are few Celtic fans on the Rangers messageboards today
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 13, 2012 20:23:11 GMT
Rangers Official Site Club Responds To SFL VoteFri, Jul 13, 2012 Charles Green, Chief Executive of The Rangers Football Club, said: "We are grateful to be accepted as members of the SFL and accept their decision to vote us into Division 3. "It is a matter of regret for all of us involved with Rangers that the issues surrounding the Club resulted in the SFL and its members being placed in a very difficult position not of their own making. "From the outset, we made clear we would play where we were told to play and we just want to get back to playing football. "This decision maintains the sporting integrity that clubs and fans across Scotland have been calling for but it also impacts massively on Scottish football as a whole and only time will tell what the consequences will be. "Rangers has been handed the ultimate punishment of starting again from the bottom of the leagues but there is an overwhelming feeling among fans and within the Club of 'wiping the slate clean' as a club free of sanctions. "The people who brought shame on this great Club are no longer part of it and everyone at Rangers is focused on rebuilding the club on top of a solid financial foundation. "We wish to play a constructive part in Division 3 and encourage our fans to support the other clubs within the league by attending matches and delivering to them the benefits of having Rangers within their league. "We have been greatly encouraged by the number of supporters who have committed to buying season tickets no matter where we ended up playing and I personally want to thank them for their continued loyalty to the club. "We are a football club and we just want to get back to playing football. Now is the time to move on and start afresh." "Our task to rebuild the Club will take longer now but we are committed to the job and fully believe we will bring success back to Rangers. Manager Ally McCoist said: "I fully accept the decision of the SFL today and thank them for allowing us into the SFL. "Clearly, starting again from the bottom league is not ideal and makes the task of rebuilding Rangers a longer one but the SFL was placed in an impossible situation and I respect its decision. "I fully supported the fans views that starting again in Division 3 maintains the sporting integrity that the SPL clubs were so keen on. "The SPL clubs and the SFA have made their positions clear over the last few weeks and it remains to be seen what the long term effects of their decisions will be. "Rangers has been severely punished for the actions of some individuals who previously ran the Club and it will take time for us to recover but we will come back stronger thanks to the loyalty of the fans and the commitment of everyone at Ibrox who are working tirelessly to bring stability and success back to Rangers." "I will be carefully monitoring events and reactions over the new few days and will be making further comments probably early next week." www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2848674Rangers Official Site
A Sporting Fairness DecisionFri, Jul 13, 2012 Tweet By Andrew Dickson DAVID LONGMUIR says the Scottish Football League's decision not to accept Rangers into the First Division was made in the interests of sporting fairness. Member clubs voted almost unanimously to grant the Light Blues a place in the SFL, with only one out of 30 choosing not to look upon the Ibrox club favourably in that respect. In a separate vote, 25 out of the 30 clubs expressed an opinion that Gers should start the 2012/13 campaign in the Third Division. There has been speculation that the SFA and SPL could come together to form a second tier of the SPL which would include the 54-times national champions. As things stand for now, however, Ally McCoist's men appear bound for the fourth level of the Scottish game. That being the case, they would inherit Stranraer's fixtures for next term and begin their league campaign with an away trip to Peterhead on August 11. SFL chief executive Longmuir said: "Today has been one of the most difficult decisions to be made by all concerned. "The member clubs have voted to willingly accept The Rangers Football Club as members of the Scottish Football League. "The Scottish Football League's only acceptable position will be to place Rangers FC in the Third Division of the Irn Bru Scottish Football League from the start of season 2012/13. "This decision followed our tried and tested process and was taken in cognisance of the other option which was available for consideration and approval. "This decision has been taken in the best interests of sporting fairness, which is the fundamental principle of the Scottish Football League. "I am comfortable the Scottish Football League has this afternoon made a very decisive decision." SFL clubs have expressed their wish to be involved in a restructuring of the Scottish game rather than excluded from one by the SPL forming a second league. And Longmuir added: "The Scottish Football League has been entirely consistent in its willingness to work with other bodies to ensure we focus on rebuilding our game. "We want to restore pride in our game and explore revenue streams which allow the game to prosper. Our willingness to achieve these aims does not alter. "I am proud the First Division clubs made it very clear that they are looking for an all-42 club solution to Scottish football. It is now for others to work with us to take the game forward." www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2848718
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 13, 2012 20:24:04 GMT
Rangers Official Site Let's Work Together Fri, Jul 13, 2012 Tweet By Andrew Dickson JIM BALLANTYNE admits the SFL is powerless to stop the SPL forming a second tier but insists First Division clubs would rather be part of a solution for Scottish football that involves all 42 senior teams. The Scottish Football League's president spoke after the body accepted Rangers and granted it membership but refused the Ibrox outfit entry to the First Division. Instead, 25 clubs out of 30 voted that the Light Blues should begin the 2012/13 campaign in the Third Division. There is now speculation the SPL could look to start a second league which would include Gers and effectively cut the senior game in half. But Ballantyne is adamant SFL sides as a whole want to work together to move the sport in this country forward in the long run. He said: "We don't have any control over the SPL and they are entitled to do whatever they wish within their own rules. "But it is important to mention the Division One clubs went out of their way to make it clear their route regarding a solution involved all 42 teams. I think that says a lot for them. "Other bodies are going to have to look at the decision we've taken and decide what view they take. As far as we're concerned, it's crystal clear and it was a massive majority. "The talk of financial meltdown is scary for everybody but that completely ignores the views of fans. They've been vociferous in their view of what this whole situation may bring. "The message coming across from every club is exactly the same, even from Rangers fans themselves. "If they had their choice, it would be Division Three. That reflected the views of First, Second and Third Division clubs." www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2848784
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Post by mfnc on Jul 13, 2012 21:00:08 GMT
good thing to come from this is all those clubs with small attendances and out in the sticks will see some much needed money come there way, not only for the club but the community also.
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Post by QPRAirdrie on Jul 14, 2012 1:41:59 GMT
Knowing Rangers fans, they will still turn out in huge numbers. In fact there's every chance that they will benefit from this in the long run.
Having someone in charge who runs the club in the right way can only be good for the club. Look at us!!
Most of the Rangers fans I know; wanted to go into the 3rd Division and were willing to accept the punishment.
Best of luck, see ya in a year or two.
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Post by qprvancouver on Jul 14, 2012 4:14:57 GMT
If the goal was to kill Rangers well I hope all the protagonists can take comfort in their success. All this crap about they need to be punished just makes me want to barf. How much more punishment is needed. Those who own the club have committed to pay the outstanding bills and ultimately were not responsible for the wrong doing. Demotion, points penalties, inability to sign players, no european football....where the hell does punishment end and vendetta begin?? It is perhaps doubtful Rangers can survive the Div 3 nonsense but of greater concern is whether Scottish football can survive. Time will tell. I can only hope that the Bluenose faithful will come out in droves for the next 3 years for all Ibrox games and avoid at all costs traveling to any away games. Lets have 20,000 plus at Ibrox and the usual 200+ everywhere else. Lets watch the Mortons, Raith, St Mirrens etc go to the wall and hope when they are hurting and dying without Mr Sky to bail them out that the taste of their revenge doesn't sour. There are few things in life that are fairly reliable but I sense that presenting this challenge to the Blue side of Glasgow may be one of them. Go Gers....NO Surrender!
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Post by Markqpr on Jul 14, 2012 6:30:37 GMT
where the hell does punishment end and vendetta begin?? In your case at this point: Lets watch the Mortons, Raith, St Mirrens etc go to the wall and hope when they are hurting and dying without Mr Sky to bail them out that the taste of their revenge doesn't sour.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 14, 2012 6:42:43 GMT
Guardian Formation of SPL2 could save Rangers newco from life in Third Division • Clubs would be offered financial incentives to leave SFL • Majority of clubs voted against Rangers entering First Division Ewan Murray guardian.co.uk, Friday 13 July 2012 Scotland's football authorities are to enter a desperate race against time to oversee a league reconstruction model aimed at preventing Rangers from starting next season in the Third Division. At a meeting of Scottish Football League clubs at Hampden Park on Friday – at which representations were made by the Rangers manager, Ally McCoist, and the chief executive, Charles Green – 25 out of 30 votes rejected the possibility of the team entering Division One. The upshot of that was an announcement that Rangers must enter Scotland's league set-up in the fourth tier; where they are due to face the likes of Peterhead and Annan Athletic. That would represent a catastrophic fall from grace for a club historically regarded as part of Scotland's establishment and which only recently featured regularly in the Champions League. Those overseeing the game in Scotland have been vocal – and controversially so – about the need for Rangers to compete more prominently in the professional game than at the bottom rung. Such comments have roused anger amongst supporters; Rangers entered administration in February and are now in the process of being liquidated, hence a "newco" business has been formed. Stewart Regan, the Scottish Football Association's chief executive, said last week: "There's really only one decision for the game now – that Rangers come into football in the First Division." Regan had estimated a potential loss of £16m and impending disaster for Scottish football if Rangers competed in Division Three. Nonetheless, his organisation is yet to grant Rangers membership of the association. Neil Doncaster, the chief executive of the Scottish Premier League, even made several public pitches aimed at readmitting Rangers into the top-flight. That notion was rejected by member clubs, much to the general delight of supporters. The SPL is due to meet on Monday, when the concept of an "SPL2" is set to be discussed. Under that plan, Rangers would be invited to join with other clubs offered financial incentives to leave the SFL and take part in a new setup. The rejection by SFL chairmen of the First Division proposal, nonetheless, highlights the scale of such a task. SPL clubs have a serious fear about the potential loss of commercial contracts – notably key broadcast agreements – if Rangers are not part of their setup. A four-year television deal between the league and both Sky and ESPN, due to start at the beginning of next season, remains unsigned. Sky is yet to clarify its position but a critical component of earlier arrangements has been its screening of four Old Firm matches per season. One SPL club, Inverness, spoke out about its fears. "There will now inevitably be serious consequences for the game in Scotland," said their chairman, Kenny Cameron. "We have all, as clubs, accepted the views of our stakeholders in making the initial judgement to uphold sporting integrity. "All clubs will now have to live with the repercussions of this decision. Scottish football was at a crossroads today in terms of what was on the table for all clubs regarding reorganisation, financial distribution and a road map that would have taken the game forward. "But this has now been thrown into disarray by this decision. This is a sad day for all clubs in Scotland. We will be convening an emergency board meeting over the weekend to discuss the very serious financial implications for us as a club going forward." A Rangers statement, issued in the immediate aftermath of the SFL announcement, claimed Regan and Doncaster "will introduce a plan for SPL 2 – which would include Rangers – and invite existing Division One members to join." Intriguingly, the club swiftly amended those words to state an SPL2 "was mooted last week" when it was suggested that it could "swing into action in the event of today's outcome but it is not known if this will be the case". Given that Rangers are perfectly aware of the precarious financial position of so many SPL clubs, their public utterances must be placed in context. Green said: "From the outset, we made clear we would play where we were told to play and we just want to get back to playing football. "This decision maintains the sporting integrity that clubs and fans across Scotland have been calling for but it also impacts massively on Scottish football as a whole and only time will tell what the consequences will be. "Rangers have been handed the ultimate punishment of starting again from the bottom of the leagues but there is an overwhelming feeling among fans and within the club of 'wiping the slate clean' as a club free of sanctions." McCoist added: "I fully accept the decision of the SFL today and thank them for allowing us into the SFL. Clearly, starting again from the bottom league is not ideal and makes the task of rebuilding Rangers a longer one but the SFL was placed in an impossible situation and I respect its decision." David Longmuir, the chief executive of the SFL, said: "I'm comfortable today that the Scottish Football League made a very, very decisive decision that was based on sporting fairness and I think the Scottish Football League were in the right place to make that decision. "Today's decision has been one of the most difficult for all concerned but it has been taken in the best interest of sporting fairness which is the fundamental principle of the Scottish Football League." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/13/rangers-scottish-third-division
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Post by ozzh00p on Jul 14, 2012 7:12:50 GMT
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Post by saphilip on Jul 14, 2012 8:49:20 GMT
Well I feel sorry for the 2 team that get promoted to the Scottish Div 2 (forgot who they were). Just think 3 months ago they were celebrating rare success - now they realise that they may have missed out on the biggest payday of their existence. Even worse if Rangers do go up and either of them are relegated (very possible scenarios) then they will have missed the bus completely.
The likes of Elgin and East Stirling must be licking their lips in anticipation.
One thing is for sure life in Div 2 next season might be interesting - assuming Rangers do get promoted (not a certainty at this stage). You might find clubs scrambling to avoid both getting relegated and perversely promoted from that division.
Well that's life among the have nots for the next 2 seasons what about the SPL? Well I see Inverness are having an emergency baord meeting on Monday. I wouldn't mind betting that St Mirren, st Johnstone, Kilmarnock and the like also have emergency meetings in the upcomniong weeks as the reality of what has happened finally hits them. For once the dog has caught the car and now they don't know what to do with it. Whether by fan pressure or not they voted to kick Rangers out - now the financial reality is going to hit them hard.
If a Rangers with all their "wealth", fan base and tradition can fall as badly as they did - then what about the likes of St Mirren? I for one moment do not believe that Rangers was the only mis-managed team in the SPL. Thanks to their support Rangers will survive - but I can see a couple of the smaller SPL teams go down the Gretna route. As for Celtic? Well their fans are having a great time - they will be picking up many trophies in the upcoming seasons with very little opposition. The hated rivals will have to rebuild themselves from the lower leagues and they have stated on numerous occassions that they could live without them - so what is there to complain about? Maybe not much but I think the reality of being the only thing that counts in Scotland for the next 3 seasons may just wear a bit thin once the novelty wears off.
Don't get me wrong I think Rangers had to be punished and what has happened there is a tragedy for both them and Scottish Football as a whole. Livingston was harshly punished when they hit the wall - although it has to be said that Dundee got off with basically a slap on the hand when they hit similar problems - so it woud have been unfair if Rangers weren't hit with this type of punishment.
It's just a pity that both the SPL and SFA left it to the SFL to make the decisions in the end. I'm just waiting to see what the effect is going to be on Scottish football.
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Post by Bushman on Jul 14, 2012 10:05:30 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 14, 2012 11:34:12 GMT
I can see the new "Gers" setting a few new goalscoring records if they can afford to keep their better players.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Jul 14, 2012 11:52:13 GMT
I can see the draw for the first game in 3rd div. Rangers v Queens Park.
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Post by Marc on Jul 14, 2012 12:06:10 GMT
If the goal was to kill Rangers well I hope all the protagonists can take comfort in their success. All this crap about they need to be punished just makes me want to barf. How much more punishment is needed. Those who own the club have committed to pay the outstanding bills and ultimately were not responsible for the wrong doing. Demotion, points penalties, inability to sign players, no european football....where the hell does punishment end and vendetta begin?? It is perhaps doubtful Rangers can survive the Div 3 nonsense but of greater concern is whether Scottish football can survive. Time will tell. I can only hope that the Bluenose faithful will come out in droves for the next 3 years for all Ibrox games and avoid at all costs traveling to any away games. Lets have 20,000 plus at Ibrox and the usual 200+ everywhere else. Lets watch the Mortons, Raith, St Mirrens etc go to the wall and hope when they are hurting and dying without Mr Sky to bail them out that the taste of their revenge doesn't sour. There are few things in life that are fairly reliable but I sense that presenting this challenge to the Blue side of Glasgow may be one of them. Go Gers....NO Surrender! Just wow! You are incensed by the punishment handed out to Rangers and, in the same breath, you want to see a whole clutch of clubs go out of business when they've done absolutely nothing wrong. Hypocrisy at its worse
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Post by blockhead on Jul 14, 2012 18:48:55 GMT
Relegate Celtic to Div 3 too and the problem is solved.
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Post by mfnc on Jul 14, 2012 19:28:12 GMT
Relegate Celtic to Div 3 too and the problem is solved. that makes so much sense
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Post by Bushman on Jul 14, 2012 21:29:14 GMT
Personally I could not give a shite about Scottish Football.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 15, 2012 18:45:56 GMT
Rangers: anger as SPL considers 'Club 12' decision
The Scottish Premier League will meet to decide who replaces Rangers this season amid fresh criticism, this time from Queen of the South... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18850864
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Post by qprvancouver on Jul 17, 2012 3:02:41 GMT
To Fabs...................you're so right they haven't ( in theory) done anything wrong......aside from cutting off their noses to spite their faces. In the real world all the holier than thou people that don't think enough about their decisions end up making bad ones and it usually costs them. These clubs might have been better served being pragmatic and they might have improved their hope of survival. Oh well you can't learn stupid I guess
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