Sabas
Dave Sexton
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Post by Sabas on Dec 21, 2011 21:13:15 GMT
This reminds me of Michael Richards (don't confuse with Micah), best known for his cult character of Kramer on Seinfeld.
And during one of his stand-up shows he lost it, went mad and performed one of the worst racist outbursts ever caught on (cellphone) camera.
He apologised, said that he didn't mean it, but couldn't control his inner demons he wasn't yet familiar with. The theory is that he went too much into the character he was performing. That, of course, doesn't justify what he's said... but I believed him.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 22:52:22 GMT
Should also be one yardstick for behaviour and hooliganism and reactions to it. And I'm not at all sure if it was some other player from another club who was so accused, whether all of our fans would be so ardent. And I'm certainly not convinced that if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our players was accused of such conduct, whether - even if guilty - some of our fans would be so condemning. Very perceptive and imo totally correct. I'm also very aware that there are posters I have read who have either themselves posted statements about Jews - or permitted statements to be posted about Jews, which I and others strongly perceive as anti-Semitic. And others have posted about blacks, or "Asians"or Gays or Gypsies which I also view as "problematic. " So I'm not too persuaded that their outrage is so much as what might have been said. But as a tool to criticize or bring a much hated player at a much hated club.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 23:17:10 GMT
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John Terry's England future in doubt over racism charge
John Terry has vowed to fight “tooth and nail” to clear his name after the Crown Prosecution Service announced that he will face criminal charges for his alleged racist abuse of Anton Ferdinand.
Flashpoint: John Terry clashes with Anton Ferdinand at Loftus Road Photo: PA By Jason Burt, Deputy Football Correspondent10:34PM GMT 21 Dec 2011 Comment
Although the maximum punishment Terry could face is a £2,500 fine – there is no prospect of jail and his case will not be heard by a jury – the damage a conviction would cause to his hopes of remaining England captain could be terminal. The pressure on both Terry and the Football Association was mounting on Wednesday night as it emerged kit manufacturers Umbro had removed Terry’s image from its usual prominent position on their website. Umbro are official kit suppliers to the England team and Terry has a personal boot deal with the company. Meanwhile, Lord Ouseley, chairman of the anti-racism group Kick It Out, and a member of the FA Council, declared himself “saddened” by Chelsea’s “blanket support” for Terry which has been offered without “a thorough investigation” by his employer. “It’s quite important that, if you look across every other aspect of society, if serious allegations of misconduct are made against an employee, those employers carry out a thorough investigation,” Ouseley said. Asked whether Terry should still play for England, Ouseley, tellingly, added: “That’s a big call for the FA. Clearly, he is able to play for his club while he expresses himself as innocent of the allegations and charges. That’s a matter between player and club. RELATED ARTICLES Q&A: What next for Chelsea and England captain? 21 Dec 2011 John Terry to be charged with racial abuse 21 Dec 2011 Villas-Boas lauds Modric 21 Dec 2011 Liverpool squad 'angered' by Suarez decision 21 Dec 2011 Liverpool furious at FA's Suarez 'witchhunt' 21 Dec 2011 FA is showing the way, says Kick It Out 21 Dec 2011 “In some situations, employers would suspend their employees but, in this case, you’ve got a valuable asset in John Terry. He’s a leader on the pitch and a big, popular figure among the fans. The club has to take that into consideration. The bigger issue and the big judgment call is for the FA. “But there is an issue of the morality, of the leadership, the standard we set, the ethics for football: that the FA must consider those things in arriving at a decision as to whether he stays on or he doesn’t until the matter is resolved in his favour or otherwise.” On Wednesday night the FA was coming to terms with what to do and effectively issued a “no comment”. The organisation, whose investigation into the case has been put on hold while the police made their inquiries, was left with the dilemma that should Terry, although innocent until proven guilty, be allowed to lead out England for the friendly against Holland on Feb 29? The first magistrates hearing is scheduled for Feb 1 and it may well be that if Terry elects for trial the matter may not be resolved before England head to the European Championships 2012 finals in June. Despite the FA’s approach — the most recent precedent was allowing Steven Gerrard to play for his country while he waited to be acquitted for affray — Terry is the captain and, although his case faces a far less serious punishment, there are greater social implications that need to be weighed up by them and manager Fabio Capello. Police officers visited Terry’s Surrey home on Wednesday to issue a summons requiring him to attend West London magistrates court to face charges for a ‘racially aggravated public order offence’ under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 during Chelsea’s away match against Queens Park Rangers s on Oct 23. Chelsea are due to play at Swansea City the night before Terry’s court appearance with a fixture against Manchester United on Feb 5. The decision to charge Terry was taken after the police received a complaint from a member of the public. Officers analysed footage of the match, including television material that was handed over only last week. The police interviewed the 31-year-old, QPR defender Ferdinand and other players who took part it the game. On Wednesday, Terry’s statement said: “I am disappointed with the decision to charge me and hope to be given the chance to clear my name as quickly as possible. I have never aimed a racist remark at anyone and count people from all races and creeds among my closest friends. I will fight tooth and nail to prove my innocence.” Terry will play for Chelsea at Tottenham on Thursday night after shaking off an Achilles injury, with his manager Andre Villas-Boas insisting he has no intention of leaving the defender out. The manager declared that Terry would continue to play for Chelsea in the six weeks up until his court hearing and beyond, even if he is convicted. “I don’t doubt his integrity as a person,” said Villas-Boas. “He’s been representing this club for a lot of time, since early beginnings, with tremendous success. He has my full backing. The club have that backing for him, too. “We will continue to support him. The fact that he can be charged doesn’t mean he is guilty. It doesn’t mean we don’t want to kick racism out of the game. But we have contact with these players on a daily basis and I believe him and will support him throughout.”
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 22, 2011 7:59:53 GMT
Kick It Out head criticises Chelsea's 'blanket support' for John Terry • Terry to face criminal charges over alleged racist abuse • Lord Herman Ouseley unhappy with Chelsea's response Lord Herman Ouseley, the chairman of the anti-racism campaign Kick It Out and former chair of the Commission for Racial Equality, has criticised Chelsea for offering "blanket support" to their captain, John Terry, after he was charged over an alleged racist slur. The Chelsea centre-half, who denies any wrongdoing, will appear before West London magistrates court on 1 February charged with a racially aggravated public order offence during an altercation with Anton Ferdinand in the derby with QPR at Loftus Road on 23 October. Reacting to the development, Chelsea issued a statement saying: "John has made it clear he denies the charge and is determined to do all he can to prove his innocence. Chelsea FC has always been fully supportive of John in this matter and will continue to be so. "The club finds all forms of discrimination abhorrent and we are proud of the work we undertake campaigning on this important issue. Chelsea will not be commenting further on the subject while the legal process runs its course." The Chelsea manager, André Villas-Boas, speaking before the CPS announcement, said Terry would still play in Thursday's Premier League London derby against Tottenham despite the case. Asked if he had any doubts about Terry's state of mind, Villas-Boas said: "For a player with John's experience, it won't be a problem. The only thing I know is that I will be fully supportive of John Terry, whatever the outcome of the situation." Lord Ouseley told Sky it was "a sad day for football", and criticised Chelsea's response. "It doesn't surprise me but it does sadden me. Not so much because I think it's the wrong thing for them to be doing now, to be supportive of their captain. But I think it's quite important that, if you look across every other aspect of society, if serious allegations of misconduct are made against an employee, those employers carry out a thorough investigation. "People who are highly professional who have professional misconduct charges against them can lose their jobs. Quite clearly, this is something football has to come to terms with. Clubs, who are large employers, must consider the implications of dealing with allegations made against their players, and not simply offer blanket support without carrying out their own full investigations and being certain of the ground on which they are standing when they offer full support." Asked if Terry should continue playing for club or country before the case is head, Lord Ouseley said: "That's a big call for the FA. Clearly, he is able to play for his club whilst he expresses himself as innocent of the allegations and charges. That's a matter between player and club, as the employee and the employer. In some situations, employers would suspend their employees but, in this case, you've got a very valuable asset in John Terry. He's a leader on the football pitch and a big, popular figure amongst the fans. The club has to take that into consideration. "The bigger issue and the big judgment call is for the FA. Clearly, the next international is not until 29 February and maybe this will have been disposed of by then so they don't have to make that big call. But I think there is an issue of the morality, of the leadership, the standard we set, the ethics for football: that the FA must consider those things in arriving at a decision as to whether he stays on or he doesn't until the matter is resolved either in his favour or otherwise." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/21/chelsea-john-terry-lord-ouseley
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 22, 2011 8:02:08 GMT
Guardian England face dilemma over John Terry after racism charges • Chelsea defender will fight 'tooth and nail' to prove innocence • Preliminary hearing and Holland friendly both in February reddit this Dominic Fifield Fabio Capello's preparations for Euro 2012 are facing further disruption after it was announced that the England captain, John Terry, is to face criminal charges over an alleged racist slur made towards the Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand. Terry was visited by police officers at his Surrey home on Wednesday and informed of the decision by the Crown Prosecution Service and has vowed to fight to clear his name. He will be formally charged at a hearing at west London magistrates' court on 1 February. Yet, with proceedings then to be adjourned for trial at a future date, there is a realisation within the national set-up that the issue could potentially drag up to, or even beyond, the summer's tournament in Poland and Ukraine. Capello was already resigned to being without the suspended Wayne Rooney for the opening two group games of the finals, but is now coming to terms with the reality that the build-up to Euro 2012 could be dominated by the case against Terry. The 31-year-old was reappointed as national captain only in February having been stripped of the honour ahead of the World Cup in 2010 following newspaper allegations surrounding the defender's private life, and controversy is now dogging the defender yet again in the months approaching a major tournament. England are not due to play again until the friendly against Holland at Wembley on 29 February and Terry, who denies any wrongdoing, does not intend to resign and still hopes to be available to captain his country in that fixture. Last night Umbro, the national team kit manufacturers, who count Terry as one of their clients, used a picture of an England team led by Steven Gerrard on their official website. Football Association officials held talks in the wake of the CPS announcement, but have understandably not made any public comment for fear of prejudicing the case. Their own inquiries into the incident at Loftus Road on 23 October were well advanced when the police investigation began and are on hold pending the result of the criminal investigation. Terry will start for Chelsea in Wednesday's Premier League game at Tottenham Hotspur – where stewards will wear headcams and adopt a zero tolerance policy towards any supporters heard using foul, abusive, homophobic or racist language – and retains the full backing of the club's hierarchy. "I don't doubt his integrity as a person," said the manager, André Villas-Boas. "He's been representing this club for a lot of time with tremendous success. He has my full backing. The club have that backing for him, too. We will continue to support him. "We know exactly his human values and his personality. For me they are never in doubt, so I will support him whatever the outcome. The fact that [he has been charged] doesn't mean he is guilty." The centre-half had been caught on camera confronting Ferdinand some six minutes from time in Chelsea's 1-0 loss at QPR. The player later released a statement insisting he had merely been repeating an accusation he felt had been made by his opponent. "I am disappointed with the decision to charge me and hope to be given the chance to clear my name as quickly as possible," said Terry on Wednesday night. "I have never aimed a racist remark at anyone and count people from all races and creeds among my closest friends. I will fight tooth and nail to prove my innocence. I have campaigned against racism and believe there is no place for it in society." If found guilty, Terry would face a maximum fine of £2,500 though there would inevitably be serious implications over his future captaincy of, and potentially involvement with, the national team. Chelsea issued a statement on Wednesday insisting the club "finds all forms of discrimination abhorrent" and remains "fully supportive" of the player, though their stance drew criticism from Lord Herman Ouseley, the chairman of the anti-racism campaign Kick it Out and a former chair of the Commission for Racial Equality. "It doesn't surprise me, but it does sadden me," said Lord Ouseley. "Clubs, who are large employers, must consider the implications of dealing with allegations made against their players, and not simply offer blanket support without carrying out their own full investigations and being certain of the ground on which they are standing when they offer full support." Asked whether Terry should continue to be allowed to play for his country before the case is heard, Lord Ouseley added: "That's a big call for the FA. Clearly, the next international is not until 29 February and maybe this will have been disposed of by then so they don't have to make that big call. But I think there is an issue of the morality, of the leadership, the standard we set, the ethics for football." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/21/john-terry-charged-chelsea-racism
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 22, 2011 8:13:16 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 22, 2011 10:19:00 GMT
Pathetic! BBC John Terry: BBC pundits react to race charge Page last updated at 19:47 GMT, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 E-mail this to a friendPrintable version The allegations centre around the game between QPR and Chelsea in October England and Chelsea captain John Terry will face a racially aggravated public order charge after allegedly using racist language towards QPR defender Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League game earlier this year. The defender, 31, has released a statement vowing he will fight the charge "tooth and nail" when the case reaches court. BBC Sport pundits give their views on the centre-back: Gary Lineker - Match of the Day presenter It's going to be difficult for John to play under this sort of pressure. Concentrating on the football is not going to be easy for him over the next few weeks. I have no doubt if he got himself fit that he'll perform creditably on the field. [England manager] Fabio Capello has maintained from the start that John Terry will remain in situ as the England captain while he remains innocent, which of course he will do until proven otherwise. Lineker backing Terry to perform I imagine there would be no reason he [Capello] would change his stance on it. Obviously there are no games for a while so it becomes largely irrelevant in a way but if the decision goes against him then Capello would have to think long and hard. Mark Lawrenson - Match of the Day and BBC Radio 5 live pundit He is the England captain, he is Chelsea captain, so there are even more added pressures. I don't think he's been charged and he's thinking, 'I'm England captain'. He's been charged and he's thinking, 'I've got to answer these charges'. I don't think it really matters to a degree but obviously, from a news point of view, it is a massive story. In terms of John Terry he does seem to have that of presence of mind, strength of mind, and belief that he will be able to deal with it until the case goes to court. I think you have to back him [as England captain] and what will be will be. newsvote.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16292531.stm
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 22, 2011 15:33:37 GMT
Chelsea slime...in more ways than one! Terry ready to face public – VB December 22 2011 at www.iol.co.za/sport/soccer/premier-league/terry-ready-to-face-public-vb-1.1203391Comment on this story Terry_respect REUTERS Chelsea's John Terry. London – John Terry will come face to face with a largely hostile soccer public for the first time since being charged with alleged racist abuse when he skippers Chelsea at Tottenham Hotspur in the Premier League on Thursday (10pm). The 31-year-old England captain was charged with a racially aggravated public order offence by the Crown Prosecution Service on Wednesday following an altercation with Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match at Loftus Road in October. He has been ordered to appear at West London magistrates' court on February 1 and will plead not guilty after strenuously denying the allegations over the last two months. He is sure of an extremely hostile reception in a highly-charged atmosphere at White Hart Lane, where he has been sent off for Chelsea twice in the last five seasons. Terry's case made the front and back pages of most of Thursday's papers, with some supporters' groups calling for him to be stripped of the England captaincy and the Kick It Out anti-racist campaign “saddened” by Chelsea's “blanket support” for their player. Chelsea boss Andre Villas-Boas, however, said he believed Terry had the mental strength to cope with the stress of the case which is why he will be playing against Spurs in Thursday's bearpit atmosphere. “John has told me he is in the right frame of mind to play and has shown fantastic commitment to the team,” said Villas-Boas. “His performances have been good and I don't doubt his integrity as a person. “He represents this club to a maximum level and we're very grateful to have a player of his quality in our team, in what he represents in terms of history and achievements at the club. “We know exactly his human values and personality, so we will support him whatever happens.” Terry responded to Wednesday's charge by saying: “I am disappointed with the decision to charge me and hope to be given the chance to clear my name as quickly as possible. “I have never aimed a racist remark at anyone and count people from all races and creeds among my closest friends. “I will fight tooth and nail to prove my innocence. I have campaigned against racism and believe there is no place for it in society.” Tottenham have warned fans that stewards will adopt a “zero tolerance” policy towards abuse of Terry and will be wearing headcams to record the crowd. Matches between Spurs and Chelsea are often played against a backdrop of seething ill-feeling from both sets of fans, with the stakes even higher than usual on Thursday as Spurs start the game in third place in the table, one position and two points better off than Chelsea with a match in hand. Chelsea enjoyed a 32-match unbeaten league run against Spurs home or away for 16 years from December 1990 to March 2006, but Spurs are now unbeaten at home by Chelsea for five league matches since November 2006. – Reuters
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Post by cpr on Dec 22, 2011 18:46:23 GMT
Spurs stewards will be wearing headcams this evening to be able to spot anyone singing songs about Terry.
What the hell is happening to football and indeed our society.
Cameras watch you all day long, we are the most watched population in the world and guess what, when someone gets attacked, those cameras can't help the victim.
So what happens this evening? Spurs fans sing about Terry, no action is taken, then subsequently on "helmetcam" evidence, they are banned from football.
I don't like this sort of thing, it's insidious ad knows no bounds.
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Post by cpr on Dec 22, 2011 19:40:32 GMT
Glen Hoddle "Spurs are offensive". No Glen, John Terry is offensive. Villas Boas "John Terry is entitled to his appeal". So he's already guilty then eh!
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 23, 2011 9:22:11 GMT
BBC Chelsea boss Andre Villas-Boas hails captain John Terry Page last updated at 23:43 GMT, Thursday, 22 December 2011 E-mail this to a friendPrintable version By Phil McNulty Chief football writer at White Hart Lane Villas Boas hails Terry performance Chelsea manager Andre Villas-Boas praised captain John Terry after his team's 1-1 draw at Tottenham. The England captain played 24 hours after learning he would face a racially aggravated public order charge after an incident with QPR defender Anton Ferdinand in October. Villas-Boas said: "John's level of performances have increased since the incident happened. "He is a fantastic player, his talent and commitment are never in doubt." Terry, taunted throughout by the home support, ensured the game ended level with an injury-time goal-line clearance from Emmanuel Adebayor, who had given Spurs an early lead before Daniel Sturridge drew Chelsea level. Continue reading the main story John's condition is fantastic and we have seen great, great performances from him Chelsea boss Andre Villas-Boas Villas-Boas added: "John's condition is fantastic and we have seen great, great performances from him. He anticipated the situation perfectly at the end to save a goal." The Chelsea boss was delighted with his side's performance and hinted once again that he is ready to move for Bolton's England defender Gary Cahill when the transfer window opens in January, with Alex having been granted a transfer request. He said: "We will be in the market for a central defender, it's pretty obvious. I spoke about Cahill in the pre-match press conference. We think he's extremely interesting but I cannot speak a lot about one player that doesn't belong to me. "It is not fair on Owen Coyle with the December fixtures that he has but he [Cahill] is one extremely talented player, although it would be stupid for us to restrict our targets to just one." Chelsea started slowly at White Hart Lane but hit the post through Didier Drogba before half-time and were on top after the break, with Ramires heading their best chance of a winner wide. Villas-Boas added: "I think that our passing game exploded to wonderful levels here. It is fantastic to watch this team play when they find each other in possession the way they did. It was outstanding, remarkable. "Coming to Tottenham and playing this kind of football is gratifying. The character and personality we showed, and the way we adapted to new realities after injuries was fantastic to see. "I want to see people who will die for the cause and our commitment was excellent. Even if Tottenham had won this game, our performance was very satisfying." news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16311603.stm
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Post by sharky on Dec 23, 2011 10:00:58 GMT
Can't understand how we have the Suarez case where the FA has investigated and come up with a sanction and penalty and in the Terry case although being charged he is allowed to continue playing as club and country captain.
England you are the laughing stock of the football world!!!
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Post by klr on Dec 23, 2011 10:48:35 GMT
Spurs stewards will be wearing headcams this evening to be able to spot anyone singing songs about Terry. What the hell is happening to football and indeed our society. Cameras watch you all day long, we are the most watched population in the world and guess what, when someone gets attacked, those cameras can't help the victim. So what happens this evening? Spurs fans sing about Terry, no action is taken, then subsequently on "helmetcam" evidence, they are banned from football. I don't like this sort of thing, it's insidious ad knows no bounds. Is that actually true ? It sounds like some kind of dystopian satire. If that is true about the stewards wearing headcams, then that is genuinely sinister.
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Post by klr on Dec 23, 2011 10:54:16 GMT
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Post by canadaranger on Dec 28, 2011 22:35:26 GMT
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Post by sharky on Dec 28, 2011 22:39:56 GMT
Man and Terry do not compute!!
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Post by jayrigg on Dec 28, 2011 22:42:13 GMT
Spurs stewards will be wearing headcams this evening to be able to spot anyone singing songs about Terry. What the hell is happening to football and indeed our society. Cameras watch you all day long, we are the most watched population in the world and guess what, when someone gets attacked, those cameras can't help the victim. So what happens this evening? Spurs fans sing about Terry, no action is taken, then subsequently on "helmetcam" evidence, they are banned from football. I don't like this sort of thing, it's insidious ad knows no bounds. I totally agree................the world has gone P.C. mad!!! cheers, Jay
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