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Post by 0hwestlondon on Nov 1, 2011 21:32:03 GMT
Is Sinclair a pal of Terry? Yes. how can someone be racist but have friends of a different colour, its a contradiction surely.
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Post by harlowranger on Nov 1, 2011 21:32:13 GMT
I like Sinclair but what was he thinking , he knows he's a hero at QPR but goes or questions against a current player. OK so he's mates with Terry , God knows why but i suppose somebody has to like the vile piece of work but he should have kept his opinion out of it surely.
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Nov 1, 2011 21:45:12 GMT
I like Sinclair but what was he thinking , he knows he's a hero at QPR but goes or questions against a current player. OK so he's mates with Terry , God knows why but i suppose somebody has to like the vile piece of work but he should have kept his opinion out of it surely. spot on h
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Post by fraserinbc on Nov 1, 2011 22:11:46 GMT
to be fair to Trevor (and if you haven't listened to the podcast do so as it is a cracking listen this week), he does say that he can imagine JT saying what he said if only to antagonize an opponent.
I can understand that (i.e. find a weakness in an opponent and exploit it - Anton was doing the same to Terry by bringing up his philandering with Bridges' missus), but some things are clearly out-of-bounds.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 1, 2011 22:21:38 GMT
The saying "Some of my best friends are Jewish" (replace Jewish with black or gay or Muslim or Hispanic or whatever). Proves nothing...
This would be a fine opportunity for every QPR board to make sure it doesn't permit racism, anti-Semitism, homophobia. Not comments. Not "jokes."
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 1, 2011 23:22:59 GMT
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Post by sharky on Nov 1, 2011 23:59:30 GMT
Typical Chelsc*m. What else would you expect. Totally unacceptable. When will the FA intervene?!
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Post by cpr on Nov 2, 2011 0:10:10 GMT
Typical Chelsc*m. What else would you expect. Totally unacceptable. When will the FA intervene?! Racism is endemic at that club, has been for decades, nf sellers on every entrance, booing and chucking bananas at their own players, like japanese knotweed, it's almost impossible to get rid of. Howver much they try to change the club image that scum will always reappear. Could retell a story told to us by Paul Elliott which would demonstrate how deep it went, it wouldn't surprise you much either. However, probably best not to repeat on a public message board, especially at this time.
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Post by cpr on Nov 2, 2011 0:14:44 GMT
Just to add...
"After the final whistle, a spokesperson for Chelsea said: 'The chanting was wholly inappropriate and we don't condone it."
Does not read like condemnation to me but then I guess it would to the daily mail.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 2, 2011 0:22:39 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 2, 2011 0:25:22 GMT
Same Chelsea condemnation quote on Sky...and Chelsea manager proving himself to be less and less! SKY Chelsea condemn chanting Blues disappointed at a section of their travelling support Chelsea have condemned chants from their own fans about Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during their 1-1 UEFA Champions League draw at Genk on Tuesday. A section of Blues supporters repeatedly chanted about Ferdinand in response to the John Terry racism inquiry now the subject of investigations by the Football Association and the Metropolitan Police. Terry, who was left on the bench in Belgium, released a statement to deny allegations he had racially abused Ferdinand during last month's West London derby after video footage posted online caused a storm. It is unclear whether Chelsea could face any action over the chanting at the Cristal Stadium but officials were quick to set out the club's stance. "The chanting was wholly inappropriate and we don't condone it,'' a club spokesman said in a statement. Manager Andre Villas-Boas insisted he had not heard the chanting, which was at its loudest shortly before and shortly after half-time.
He said: "I was concentrating on the game.''www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7286434/
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 2, 2011 10:10:21 GMT
Now it's UEFA's Turn! PRess Association EFA await ref report over chants 9:44am Wednesday 2nd November 2011 © Press Association 2011 » UEFA will wait on the reports from their match delegate and referee before deciding whether to take any action over Chelsea fans' taunting of Anton Ferdinand during Tuesday night's Champions League match at Genk. Some of the Blues' travelling contingent were clearly heard singing, "Anton Ferdinand, you know what you are", during the 1-1 draw at the Cristal Arena. It appeared to be an attempted show of support for captain John Terry, who is now under police investigation over allegations he racially abused QPR defender Ferdinand during last month's west London derby, something he denies. Chelsea were forced to condemn the chanting, saying: "It was wholly inappropriate and we don't condone it." UEFA are likely to receive their delegate's and referee's reports on Thursday and they confirmed that their disciplinary unit "would look into" any allegations of racist chanting in those reports. They would also do the same were "any other piece of evidence of such chanting be made available" before deciding "whether to open disciplinary proceedings against the relevant club". Possible sanctions for racist chanting include fines and forcing clubs to play matches behind closed doors. However, even if UEFA are made aware of Tuesday night's chants, it remains to be seen whether they can be deemed to be racist in a disciplinary sense. www.theboltonnews.co.uk/uk_national_sport/9338908.UEFA_await_ref_report_over_chants/
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 2, 2011 10:14:44 GMT
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Post by cpr on Nov 2, 2011 10:15:31 GMT
Don't see how any action can be taken for that chant. Probably do what all football authorities do to bolster their coffers, issue a fine.
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Post by cpr on Nov 2, 2011 11:20:34 GMT
Not sure if this article has been posted but I certainly agree regarding the law of the land. The Last Word: Only the law can lay down law on racism Terry case has focused shrill opinion on an issue so sensitive that it must be left to the courts James Corrigan Sunday 30 October 20 If the Football Association believe they have a splitting headache with the England captain at the centre of a racism inquiry, then they should be warned. If John Terry is found guilty, their collective cranium will burst at the seams. Of course the "if" part of that sentence is the most important. Some of the conjecture concerning the Chelsea centre-half has been appalling. Just because he allegedly had an affair with his mate's ex, just because his father has dealt cocaine, just because his mother was cautioned for shoplifting – all this has nothing to do with this accusation. There was much mirth when the claim was put forward that Terry had "to protect his reputation". "What reputation??!!" went the hilarious cry. Erm, the reputation which doesn't yet have him as the perpetrator of racist remarks. I'd imagine that would be quite important to most people, regardless of any previous misdemeanours. But something else is at stake, something that surely does justify the hypothesising about the Terry case, if only to understand the confusion of the football authorities and their reaction to racism. Popular opinion suggests that if the verdict goes against Terry he is finished as a professional footballer. Technically, that wouldn't be true, and therein would lie the problem for the FA. What would be the punishment for a player found guilty of racist abuse? Go on, if you are in the "throw away the key" brigade, what would be the right sanction? Uefa regulations stipulate a maximum five-game ban for "anyone who insults the human dignity of a person or group of persons, by whatever means, including on grounds of colour, race, religion or ethnic origin". Wisla Krakow's Nikola Mijailovic was given such a ban for racially abusing Blackburn's Benni McCarthy in 2006. The Serb was playing within a month and now can be found in the Russian Premier League. That is eastern Europe, this is Britain; and the circumstances concerning the offender's rehabilitation would obviously differ. Maybe it wouldn't matter what the FA disciplinarians decided. Maybe no club would want to sign a player carrying the racist stigma. Maybe a British national association wouldn't allow a manager to pick such a player. But how would that be governed and where would the line be drawn? Would it be deemed allowable to pick a player who has been proven to be racist outside football? If not, why not? There are men who have served time for sexual assault playing in the top divisions. How do you judge one above the other or, indeed, below? There is one thing of which you can be certain; if any high-quality player is available, at an inevitably knock-down price, there would be plenty of chairmen prepared to negotiate a path through the moral maze to sign him. But then, the muddle of the picture suddenly becomes clearer when it involves the law. Take the case of a striker in the Eastern Counties League a few years ago. Tom Gosling was charged with racially abusing another player. The Cambridgeshire FA issued a 42-day ban, before the racism charge was reported to Suffolk police. Magistrates found him guilty of using racially aggravated threatening behaviour and he was banned from entering any football ground in England for three years. Pertinently, the Cambridgeshire FA also gave Gosling a 150-day ban for confronting the referee. Try to equate that little lot; radically different verdicts from sport and court. Doesn't this mess prove one thing? That football authorities do not, and probably should not, have the wherewithal to deal with issues as serious as racial abuse. Yet Fifa, in that unbearably arrogant way, maintain that when a player suffers racist abuse it should be handled within football. Fifa aren't so power-crazed to dare to suggest that the police shouldn't administer the law of the land. What they don't want is for players to take their alleged abuser to court. Well, they can "don't want" all they like, because unless they haven't noticed, humans have rights. Oguchi Onyewu clearly believes in this quaint notion. The Sporting Lisbon defender refused to accept that Jelle van Damme would escape for allegedly calling him "a dirty monkey" in 2009. It was the old "one man's word against another" conundrum. So Onyewu filed a complaint in a Belgian court, thereby suing Van Damme. As the case was still working its way through the system (apparently it still is) Van Damme was signed by Wolves of, you guessed it, the English Premier League. Yet that is not the point. What would a guilty verdict in any such case mean for football? Everything. Apart from being a deterrent, it would act as a sign for the football authorities to leave well alone, and to assist the proper bodies in doing their job. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/the-last-word-only-the-law-can-lay-down-law-on-racism-2377882.html
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 2, 2011 12:09:50 GMT
Expect Nothing from UEFA! SKY Blues to escape chant sanction No mention of Ferdinand taunts in reports sent to Uefa Last Updated: November 2, 2011 11:38am . 0.0..RSS FeedBookmark with del.icio.usSave to iGoogleSave to My Yahoo!Submit to redditShare on StumpleUpon.... Chelsea supporters were heard taunting Anton Ferdinand during a 1-1 draw in Genk .Sky BetChelsea's Next Match Blackburn13/2Draw7/2Chelsea2/5..Barclays Premier League Winner 11/12 Manchester Utd13/8Chelsea7/1Arsenal28/1.. £10 Free Bet Sky Bet are offering all new customers a £10 Completely Free Bet .Claim your free bet now ....Chelsea appear set to escape punishment over the actions of their fans in Tuesday's UEFA Champions League draw in Genk. A certain section of the Blues' travelling support could be heard taunting Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during a 1-1 draw in Belgium. The taunts were directed at the man alleged to have been the target of racial abuse by Chelsea skipper John Terry during a recent Premier League fixture. The Blues moved quickly to condemn the behaviour of the supporters involved following the midweek encounter, but were aware that Uefa could still sanction them. It has, however, emerged that neither their match delegate nor referee Svein Oddvar Moen made any mention to the chants in their reports. Were the officials to have alleged the chanting was of a racist nature, Uefa's disciplinary unit would have been forced to look into the matter. European football's governing body said they could still do so should "any other piece of evidence of such chanting be made available", although it would appear to be difficult to prove categorically that the taunts were racially motivated. www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/7286926/Blues-to-escape-chant-sanction
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Post by cpr on Nov 2, 2011 12:37:34 GMT
Like I said, cannot see how any action could be brought for that chant.
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Post by mikehunt on Nov 2, 2011 13:30:40 GMT
cant do anything baout the chant. how can anyone prove they didnt mean a thouroughlly nice gentleman?
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Nov 2, 2011 13:42:54 GMT
5Live reporting "that action can be taken if a complaint is made about the chanting but so far no complaints have been made."
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Post by cpr on Nov 2, 2011 14:44:22 GMT
What exactly could anyone complain about?
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 2, 2011 15:39:53 GMT
Leo's London/Mail-Standard - Leo Spall FA and police must deliver swift verdicts on Suarez and Terry It has taken just two allegations of racism on the pitch for a shadow to be cast over the game by the spectre of the disease returning to the stands. Chelsea fans' chants about Anton Ferdinand at Genk on Tuesday were a disgrace and should serve as a frightening reminder to all of how quickly things can deteriorate. In the spotlight: John Terry The message from those responsible was clear. They claimed 'Ferdinand, you know what you are' after John Terry was accused of calling the QPR defender a 'black ****'. The chanters should be left in no doubt that they are part of an ignorant minority. Chelsea have done their bit with a statement condemning the chants and the majority of the club's fans should find their voice to drown out any repeats. : It wouldn't hurt for Terry to condemn their chants, either; to grasp an opportunity to make a powerful - and influential - statement of his stance. Maybe the chanters thought they were standing behind and supporting Chelsea and England captain Terry. They could not have been more wrong. Terry, like Liverpool's Luis Suarez, the other player accused in a separate racial abuse claim, has denied the charge for a start and this is not an issue that has anything to do with club loyalties. It is far more serious than that. Swift and robust rulings from the FA on Suarez and from the police and FA investigations into Terry's case are needed. Otherwise, the loose thread that has appeared after decades of anti-racism work may unravel further. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2056650/FA-police-deliver-swift-verdicts-Luis-Suarez-John-Terry.html
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 2, 2011 15:41:30 GMT
KICK IT OUT Europe] Kick It Out statement regarding chanting in Genk Wednesday 2 Nov 2011 Kick It Out Chair, Lord Herman Ouseley, has made a statement regarding the chanting targeted at Anton Ferdinand by Chelsea fans during last night's (1 November) Champions League game with Genk in Belgium. He said: "As with all incidents of abuse in European competition, it is under the jurisdiction of UEFA to determine whether action will be taken. "There is also a duty and obligation for Chelsea FC to do likewise. We’d urge the club to warn supporters of their conduct before future fixtures, look to identify who was involved, and apologise to Anton Ferdinand on behalf of supporters everywhere who found the chant deplorable." www.kickitout.org/news.php/news_id/5258
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Post by jayrigg on Nov 2, 2011 19:47:56 GMT
I wish we could just move on from all this.
cheers,
Jay.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 2, 2011 21:56:12 GMT
CHELSEA STATEMENT ON CHANTING Chelsea Official Site CHELSEA STATEMENT ON CHANTING Posted on: Wed 02 Nov 2011 Chelsea Football Club has today (Wednesday) released the following statement regarding the Champions League match in Genk. The statement reads: 'The chanting last night by a vocal minority was wholly inappropriate and Chelsea Football Club does not condone such behaviour. 'We will be working with the appropriate authorities to seek out those responsible. 'Chelsea FC believes - as we are sure do the vast majority of our fans - that all forms of discrimination are abhorrent and have no place in our society. 'As a club we work hard on educating our fans on these issues and will continue to do so. We work closely with the football authorities and anti-racism organisations and we are fully committed to eradicating racism and all other forms of discrimination from the game. 'Last night's offensive chants were from a minority and as such, they do not represent what supporting Chelsea Football Club is all about.' www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2503577,00.html
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Post by harlowranger on Nov 2, 2011 22:45:56 GMT
Terry still set for England call Fabio Capello still intends to select John Terry as skipper for England's friendlies with Spain and Sweden, despite the growing furore over his alleged racial abuse of Anton Ferdinand. Capello will name the Chelsea captain in Friday's provisional list of 30 players being placed on notice to join up at England's Hertfordshire base next week. Terry is understood to have made it clear he wants to be selected and to lead England in both games - if he does so, he would overtake Alan Shearer and Kevin Keegan to go fifth on the list of appearances as Three Lions captain. But while Capello believes it is important that the principle of Terry being innocent unless and until he is proven guilty must take precedence, the Italian may yet be instructed by the FA to take a different stance. Capello will not name his final squad until Sunday evening - more than 24 hours after Terry is expected to play for Chelsea against Blackburn. By then, the 30-year-old is likely to have spoken under caution to Metropolitan Police officers from the Hammersmith and Fulham division, who have launched a formal investigation into what took place at QPR's Loftus Road ground on October 23. Terry has vehemently refuted abusing Rangers defender Ferdinand, insisting his angry comments were a denial that he had cast a racial slur. Capello, who indicated last week that his intention was to select the Chelsea man - only restored to the captaincy in March after it was taken from him over his claimed affair with team-mate Wayne Bridge's former girlfriend - is aware of the growing storm. Should new evidence emerge over the coming 72 hours that establishes guilt, or should the FA intervene, then Terry could still be omitted. But Capello is understood to feel he must make a football decision rather than a moral judgement at this stage, and will therefore select the defender unless the situation alters. That could place an onus on Terry himself to withdraw and avoid the build-up to the game being totally submerged by questions of his suitability to represent his country, let alone lead the team. But at this stage, that is not the player's intention. Capello is still concentrating on the squad he wants to utilise against the world champions. Uncapped Everton midfielder Jack Rodwell has emerged as a likely candidate, with the England boss forced to plan without Steven Gerrard, Jack Wilshere, Tom Cleverley, Ashley Young and Chris Smalling. Rodwell was named in Stuart Pearce's Under-21 squad for their Euro qualifiers against Iceland and Belgium, alongside Arsenal's Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain who was mentioned by Capello last month. Capello - who has also been keeping tabs on Joe Cole during his loan spell at Lille - intends to name the Goodison man but not Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has only made a single, disappointing, Carling Cup appearance in the past few weeks. Read more: www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/John-Terry-racism-probe-England-still-set-to-call-up-Chelsea-star-for-Spain-and-Sweden-friendlies-article825969.html#ixzz1cah2vYHD Sign up for MirrorFootball's Morning Spy newsletter Register here
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 2, 2011 22:52:08 GMT
Of course he's innocent till proven guilty - That does not mean he should be picked to lead his country....
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 3, 2011 6:20:19 GMT
Or maybe not picked... TELEGRAPH - Jason Burt and Jeremy Wilson England manager Fabio Capello agonises over whether to select Chelsea's John Terry for upcoming friendlies Fabio Capello will seek guidance from the Football Association before deciding whether to include John Terry in his squad for the friendlies against Spain and Sweden. Terry, who is at the centre of a police investigation into allegations that he racially abused QPR defender Anton Ferdinand, has told Capello that he wants to play. However, it would appear to be for the FA to decide on whether the England manager can include his captain. Terry's prospects of making the final squad, which will be announced at 8pm on Sunday, are put at no more than 50/50, with Capello in a quandary over what to do. He is hoping that the police and FA will conclude their inquiries before Sunday, making his decision more straightforward, but that appears unlikely. Given the sensitivity of the issue, and the desire to make sure he is fair to Terry, Capello will speak to the FA before Sunday to see what their stance is. Terry has spoken to Capello and reiterated his innocence. He stated categorically that he feels he has done nothing wrong and did not abuse Ferdinand. The manager also has to take that into account. The dilemma for Capello is clear – he firmly believes that a man is innocent until proven guilty and is acutely aware that if he excludes Terry then he is, in effect, punishing the Chelsea defender. It may also appear that the manager is presuming guilt. At the same time Capello understands the potential seriousness of the matter and how damaging it could be. It would also dominate the news agenda in the run-up to two important matches at Wembley in which he hopes to blood some young players, such as Tom Cleverley, if fit, and possibly Daniel Sturridge and Jack Rodwell, depending on injuries. Chelsea are also likely to be consulted on the issue but it may be deemed sensible to take Terry out of the limelight, unless the police and the FA conclude their inquiries first.There is also the uncomfortable prospect of Rio Ferdinand being included in the final squad. The Manchester United defender, Anton's brother, is in the provisional squad, though concerns over his fitness make his selection unlikely. It would appear to be for the FA to decide, although the governing body, which is conducting its own inquiry, must wait for the investigations of the Hammersmith and Fulham police to be concluded first, given the possible scope for criminal proceedings should Terry be charged. It is hoped that the police will interview Terry and Ferdinand before the end of the week. Additionally, officers will speak to other players who were close to the incident, which took place at Loftus Road on Sunday Oct 23. Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic and Ashley Cole are expected to be interviewed, while QPR's Paddy Kenny, Clint Hill and Fitz Hall are also likely to be asked what they heard. Terry's attitude throughout has been that he is happy to co-operate with the authorities and wants to clear his name. As well as interviewing all relevant witnesses, the police are studying video footage of the incident before deciding whether there is sufficient evidence to issue any charge. The FA will not comment further on the incident until the police have finished their inquiry. Staff from the FA's governance and regulation department visited Terry at Chelsea's Cobham training ground on Friday and questioned him over what he said to Ferdinand in the 85th minute of the 1-0 defeat against Queens Park Rangers two weekends ago. Terry has denied directing a racist slur at Ferdinand and has said that he responded aggressively but had not used the offending words. Video footage is alleged to have shown Terry mouthing the words "------- black ----" at Ferdinand but, according to Chelsea sources, the full context of the sentence was him denying having used such language. It is understood that Terry stuck by the various statements he has released during a lengthy interview with FA officials. Ferdinand was also interviewed for two hours by FA investigators on Friday and reiterated that he wanted a comprehensive investigation into the allegation against Terry. The QPR defender did not hear what was said to him during the match but, after watching footage of the incident and reading Terry's explanation, has pushed for a formal inquiry. Ferdinand says that he made no initial accusation against Terry and that, to his knowledge, race was not mentioned during the match. Terry did acknowledge in his first statement – released hour after the incident – that Ferdinand had not accused him of any "wrongful remark". According to Terry, "it was all a misunderstanding at the time" and he has repeatedly denied any allegation of racist abuse. Meanwhile Chelsea are unlikely to be punished by Uefa for the anti-Ferdinand chanting by a section of their supporters at Tuesday night's Champions League tie away to Genk. The club have condemned the chants but neither the referee or match delegate included any mention of them in their reports. However, Lord Herman Ouseley, the Kick It Out chairman, issued a statement calling for intervention. "As with all incidents of abuse in European competition, it is under the jurisdiction of Uefa to determine whether action will be taken," he said. "There is also a duty and obligation for Chelsea FC to do likewise. We would urge the club to warn supporters of their conduct before future fixtures, look to identify who was involved, and apologise to Anton Ferdinand on behalf of supporters everywhere who found the chant deplorable." www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/8865752/England-manager-Fabio-Capello-agonises-over-whether-to-select-Chelseas-John-Terry-for-upcoming-friendlies.html
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Post by cpr on Nov 3, 2011 8:48:10 GMT
Trial by youtube does not count, it's the law that does. He is indeed, innocent until proven guilty.
Until about a decade ago the FA would pronounce on players before any action was taken but since then have erred on the correct side of the law.
The reason he should not play is because he is not playing well and it's friendlies where younger players should be being looked at. There are plenty of young defenders chomping at the bit who do not have the baggage Terry has had since the age of 20!!!!
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Nov 3, 2011 11:22:40 GMT
uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/03112011/58/premier-league-paper-round-tv-footage-terry-row.htmlPremier League - Paper Round: More TV footage in Terry row Thu, 03 Nov 08:53:00 2011 Email Print John Terry's alleged racist abuse of Anton Ferdinand has been captured by a second TV camera, according to The Sun. RELATED LINKS Leeds boss wants goalkeeper Hazard claims Italy interest Bet on Football - Get £25 Free The England captain has been accused of calling QPR defender Ferdinand a "f****** black ****", a claim being investigated by the police and the FA. Footage already released shows Terry appearing to mouth an insult at Ferdinand, but the moments before are blocked out by another player's head. Terry vehemently denies the allegations, and said in a statement: "I thought Anton was accusing me of using a racist slur against him. I responded aggressively, saying that I never used that term." The new footage could shed further light on Terry's full remark to Ferdinand. However, an 'insider' told The Sun: "Frustratingly, it doesn't appear to show much more than has already been aired."
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Post by sharky on Nov 3, 2011 14:11:50 GMT
Of course he's innocent till proven guilty - That does not mean he should be picked to lead his country.... Exactly Mac. Pick him if his form justifies it, but to give him the Captain's band while he is under a racial abuse cloud sends out a really bad message.
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