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Post by ozhoop on Oct 26, 2011 7:16:45 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 26, 2011 8:23:26 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 26, 2011 9:56:53 GMT
Terry 'to keep England captaincy'www.wicklowpeople.ie/breaking-news/sport/terry-to-keep-england-captaincy-2916216.htmlWednesday October 26 2011 John Terry will remain England captain for next month's friendly double-header with Spain and Sweden if the investigation into his alleged racist slur against Anton Ferdinand has not concluded.
Press Association Sport understands the Football Association have no plans to suspend Terry as skipper pending the outcome of their inquiry, with the game's governing body adopting an "innocent until proven guilty" policy. There is still no guarantee the Chelsea captain will lead his country out in either game at Wembley, with manager Fabio Capello planning to blood several of his fringe players during the back-to-back matches on November 12 and 15. The FA have launched an inquiry into allegations Terry racially abused Ferdinand during Chelsea's west London derby defeat at QPR on Sunday. Terry responded by vowing to clear his name after categorically denying the claims, which are also being assessed by Metropolitan Police following an anonymous complaint. Being found guilty after either the FA or police probe could have a ruinous effect on Terry's future in the game. The 30-year-old has endured a difficult time over the last 12 months, with allegations that he slept with the ex-girlfriend of former team-mate Wayne Bridge costing him the England captaincy. The Londoner regained the skipper's armband in March, but manager Fabio Capello could be forced to rescind it again - and even stop picking Terry altogether - if the defender is found guilty of racially abusing a fellow player. He and Ferdinand both look likely to be quizzed by the FA during their inquiry, while a key witness could be Terry's Chelsea and England team-mate Ashley Cole. The video footage which sparked the current storm shows Cole walking past Terry as he utters the words which some have interpreted as a racist slur. Terry has admitted using the language but claimed he was actually responding to an accusation of racist abuse from Ferdinand and was simply denying using those words towards him.
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Post by haqpr1963 on Oct 26, 2011 11:17:08 GMT
www.yell.com/b/Terry's+Trash-Waste+Disposal+_+Domestic-Greenford-UB69EA-5984411/index.html Nuff said......
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Post by cpr on Oct 26, 2011 17:49:07 GMT
Terry 'to keep England captaincy'www.wicklowpeople.ie/breaking-news/sport/terry-to-keep-england-captaincy-2916216.htmlWednesday October 26 2011 John Terry will remain England captain for next month's friendly double-header with Spain and Sweden if the investigation into his alleged racist slur against Anton Ferdinand has not concluded.
Press Association Sport understands the Football Association have no plans to suspend Terry as skipper pending the outcome of their inquiry, with the game's governing body adopting an "innocent until proven guilty" policy. There is still no guarantee the Chelsea captain will lead his country out in either game at Wembley, with manager Fabio Capello planning to blood several of his fringe players during the back-to-back matches on November 12 and 15. The FA have launched an inquiry into allegations Terry racially abused Ferdinand during Chelsea's west London derby defeat at QPR on Sunday. Terry responded by vowing to clear his name after categorically denying the claims, which are also being assessed by Metropolitan Police following an anonymous complaint. Being found guilty after either the FA or police probe could have a ruinous effect on Terry's future in the game. The 30-year-old has endured a difficult time over the last 12 months, with allegations that he slept with the ex-girlfriend of former team-mate Wayne Bridge costing him the England captaincy. The Londoner regained the skipper's armband in March, but manager Fabio Capello could be forced to rescind it again - and even stop picking Terry altogether - if the defender is found guilty of racially abusing a fellow player. He and Ferdinand both look likely to be quizzed by the FA during their inquiry, while a key witness could be Terry's Chelsea and England team-mate Ashley Cole. The video footage which sparked the current storm shows Cole walking past Terry as he utters the words which some have interpreted as a racist slur. Terry has admitted using the language but claimed he was actually responding to an accusation of racist abuse from Ferdinand and was simply denying using those words towards him. Typical, the FA stand by him whilst his club doesn't even take their captain to Everton this evening, interesting eh!
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 26, 2011 17:59:57 GMT
to be honest cpr, united never took anyone last night to aldershot. think he was going nowhere near there anyway. last of their worrys is the league cup and they will still piss tonight with a weak side id guess.
update. mancinis changed the whole 11 and the mighty wolves ahve 9 subs in. nothing to do with the row that terry aint there mate. school holidays, hes with his kids.
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Post by sharky on Oct 26, 2011 18:20:55 GMT
Terry and the FA can say what they like but the footage speaks for itself.
There is no room in football, or anywhere else for that matter, for this sort of stuff. He can go on about clearing his name but no matter what the outcome we all know what he said and it shouldn't be put up with full stop.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 26, 2011 20:06:53 GMT
Guardian
John Terry and Anton Ferdinand row: who said what and when
How disputed claims over remarks by John Terry to Anton Ferdinand during the QPR-Chelsea match became a major headache for the England captain
* Dominic Fifield
The disputed incident between John Terry and Anton Ferdinand at Loftus Road. Link to this video
What we know The Sky Sports footage shows Chelsea are attacking in the 85th minute at Loftus Road when the linesman waves for an infringement apparently committed by John Terry on the edge of the Queens Park Rangers penalty area. The ball is central with Nicolas Anelka around 20 yards from goal at the time; Chris Foy is close to the Chelsea striker, while Ashley Cole has burst into the penalty area down the left. The nearest team-mate to Terry is Branislav Ivanovic, who is closely marked by Clint Hill.
Ferdinand approaches the England captain and they appear to become embroiled in an argument. The footage then cuts to a nonplussed Anelka, who is looking at the linesman for guidance, and to Foy, who is approaching the penalty area where Terry and Ferdinand have been separated by Fitz Hall, Ivanovic and Hill. Ferdinand re-enters the shot and is clearly seen shouting at a visiting player, presumably the retreating Terry – Foy looks directly at the QPR defender and tries to calm him down by holding his right arm – before the Chelsea centre-back is seen jogging towards the halfway line. The camera then cuts to Foy making his own retreat towards the centre-circle for the free-kick. The incident
What we know The next image of the footage is the key clip of a smiling Terry shouting something back towards the QPR goal, with the defender briefly obscured as Cole walks across the camera shot. It is hard to judge how close Cole is in reality to Terry at this exact moment. Once the left-back is out of shot, Terry appears to mouth the alleged offensive comments before the camera cuts to jubilant looking QPR supporters.
John Terry's view Terry's camp have suggested that the centre-half only became aware that Ferdinand believed he had been the subject of racial abuse when Cole shouted to the England captain as he retreated towards the halfway line following the concession of the free‑kick. His response was to shout back towards Ferdinand that he had never said the offensive comments.
Anton Ferdinand's view Ferdinand has not spoken publicly on the matter, but figures close to the centre-half have suggested he may have had no idea Terry had used racist language in the incident.
The dressing room
What we know Terry sought out Ferdinand after the game had concluded, with the QPR player visiting the away dressing room where the England captain sought confirmation that Ferdinand accepted his version of events.
John Terry's view "Anton and I spoke for 10 minutes in the dressing room after the game and there is no issue between us," Terry said. Cole was among the players also in attendance and the conversation was witnessed in part by the Chelsea manager, André Villas-Boas, as he headed out to conduct his post-match media duties. The pair ended their chat by "high-fiving and embracing" with the situation apparently resolved.
Anton Ferdinand's view He claims that Terry approached him after the game, asking: "Are we cool?" Ferdinand said they were, which may have been because the QPR defender had had no idea there had been an issue between them in the first place. The aftermath
What we know It was only when he became aware of the videos circulating on YouTube, and rumours on Twitter, that Terry made public his version of events in a statement released on Sunday evening, in which he effectively admitted using the words but insisted he had shouted them in the context of denying he had ever said them at Ferdinand.
John Terry's view "I'm disappointed that people have leapt to the wrong conclusions about the context of what I was seen to be saying to Anton Ferdinand," he said. "I thought Anton was accusing me of using a racist slur against him. I responded aggressively, saying that I never used that term. I would never say such a thing, and I'm saddened that people would think so."
Anton Ferdinand's view As he travelled home after the match, the same sources claim Ferdinand became aware of the furore that was being whipped up on social networking sites with rumours also being discussed on radio phone-ins, speculation which eventually prompted Terry to issue his own statement that night. The QPR centre-half subsequently saw the footage of the incident on the internet. The investigation
What we know On Monday night the Metropolitan police said it had received a complaint from a member of the public about a case of alleged racist abuse during the game and that Hammersmith and Fulham police would launch an inquiry into whether there was a case to investigate. On Tuesday afternoon at a pre-match press conference Villas-Boas gave his backing to Terry and that evening the Football Association and QPR released statements saying the governing body would be investigating the incident after a complaint was lodged.
John Terry's view Terry welcomed confirmation that the FA has been asked to look into the incident as "an opportunity to clear my name" having grown exasperated over the previous 36 hours at the groundswell of allegations.
Anton Ferdinand's view The QPR players had been given Monday off training, but contact was made between Ferdinand and the club and a meeting scheduled with the manager, Neil Warnock, and a club representative on Tuesday. The defender attended with his agent. Following that meeting it is understood he supported QPR's decision to refer the matter to the FA.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 26, 2011 20:23:40 GMT
What we know On Monday night the Metropolitan police said it had received a complaint from a member of the public about a case of alleged racist abuse during the game and that Hammersmith and Fulham police would launch an inquiry into whether there was a case to investigate.
How Pathetic.
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Oct 26, 2011 20:37:05 GMT
for me it just over shadows the result, which pisses me off, i also hope this dosent affect antons game, i also hope the matter is resolved as quick as possible.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 26, 2011 20:48:00 GMT
its so boring and you are dead right, distracts from everything that was great about sunday.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 26, 2011 20:58:40 GMT
the victory will still be there.
scumbag terry is a different issue, but just as important.
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Post by eusebio13 on Oct 26, 2011 21:25:42 GMT
What we know On Monday night the Metropolitan police said it had received a complaint from a member of the public about a case of alleged racist abuse during the game and that Hammersmith and Fulham police would launch an inquiry into whether there was a case to investigate.How Pathetic. why, surely we should all want racism stamped out?
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 26, 2011 22:56:57 GMT
Not looking good for Terry ... Race row deepens for Terry as three QPR players give evidence backing Ferdinand By Matt Lawton and Sami Mokbel John Terry will be confronted by evidence from three QPR players who have backed Anton Ferdinand in the FA’s race row inquiry. Sportsmail understands that Clint Hill, Paddy Kenny and Shaun Derry have provided statements that point to a serious flaw in Terry’s version of events at Loftus Road on Sunday. Ferdinand was baffled by the statement the England and Chelsea captain issued on Sunday night, particularly his claim that YouTube footage showed him responding to an accusation from Ferdinand that Terry had just called him ‘a black ****’. Heated: Ferdinand (left) and Terry Kenny, Derry and Hill — an active players’ union representative — question whether any such exchange took place, given that Ferdinand had no knowledge of a racial element to what was said until after the game. Terry does not deny that the video shows him using the phrase ‘black ****’ but argues that it was said in the context of Ferdinand’s accusation — an accusation Ferdinand and his team-mates will say was never made. Terry strenuously denies any accusation of racism and has said he welcomes the FA inquiry. He is eager to clear his name amid fears that he could lose the England captaincy for a second time, as well as the armband at Chelsea. Support: Shaun Derry is one of three QPR players to have backed up Ferdinand's version of events He has tried to contact both Anton and Rio Ferdinand to resolve the situation. But both brothers have refused to take Terry’s calls, further underlining the fact that — contrary to Terry’s claim — Anton Ferdinand does not consider the matter to be ‘finished’. Quite the opposite, in fact, and Sportsmail can reveal that the Terry camp were told as much before releasing their statement on Sunday night. They were informed things were ‘not cool’ between the two players. Rio Ferdinand’s very obvious support for his brother — the two spent Wednesday together at a commercial launch with Pele in London’s West End — could have serious ramifications for Fabio Capello and his England squad. Different views: Terry and Ferdinand have differing view about what happened That is why the FA’s disciplinary and governance unit, led by director Darren Bailey, are keen to complete their inquiry before Capello names his squad on November 5 for next month’s friendlies against Spain and Sweden. That said, the FA have made it clear that Terry will be Capello’s captain for the two games at Wembley should the inquiry remain ongoing. FA disciplinary and governance officials have moved quickly, though. They were at QPR’s west London training ground on Tuesday to take statements from the three players. Getting his point across: Ferdinand is expected to submit his evidence on Friday Manager Neil Warnock sat in on the interviews, as he did when Anton Ferdinand gave his evidence. Ferdinand’s final submission is not expected to be completed until Friday. Terry is still hoping to secure the backing of Ashley Cole in a witness statement, as well as other members of the Chelsea dressing room. On Wednesday night, however, there was a suggestion that this was not proving to be easy. Communication breakdown: Rio Ferdinand is not taking England colleague Terry's calls According to sources, there were very few witnesses to the conversation that took place with Ferdinand in the dressing room after the game. Only Florent Malouda and the Chelsea kit man were there in addition to Terry, Ferdinand and Cole. Terry also remains the subject of a separate police investigation into the incident after officers responded to a complaint they received accusing the 30-year-old defender of making a racial slur at Ferdinand. Witness: Terry is hoping on the support of Florent Malouda who was one of a few players who saw the exchange in the changing room The Metropolitan Police said last night that they were still ‘assessing’ the complaint from a member of the public against Terry. At the same time the FA are also trying to reach a conclusion in their inquiry into Patrice Evra’s allegations of racial abuse against Luis Suarez Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2053972/Race-row-deepens-Terry-as.html#ixzz1bvnwVTID
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 26, 2011 23:11:58 GMT
"Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 26, 2011 23:14:34 GMT
AP Les Ferdinand: Ban Terry if claims are proven Published: Wednesday, Oct. 26, 2011 3:40 p.m. MDT By Rob Harris, Associated Press LONDON — Former England striker Les Ferdinand, whose cousin is at the center of the racism investigation against John Terry, does not want the England captain to be allowed to play for his country again if he is found guilty. The Football Association is investigating whether the Chelsea captain directed a racial slur at Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match on Sunday. The probe was triggered Tuesday by QPR's official complaint after footage of Terry apparently mouthing the insult at the black player spread on social networking sites. Terry has denied allegations of racism, saying his comments were taken out of context. But if Terry was found guilty, his future playing for England — not only as captain — would be thrown into doubt, just seven months after regaining the armband following a sex scandal. Anton Ferdinand's close relative said the English football authorities need to be seen to be acting tough on racism. Asked if Terry should be banned from the national team if the allegations were proven, Les Ferdinand said Wednesday: "It's down to the FA, but I'd be shouting from the rooftops (for that)." "They need to make a statement," he added. "If they don't make a statement, paltry fines that have been handed out in the past prove to people that these people do not believe there is a problem with racism in football." Ferdinand spoke to The Associated Press at the Black List Awards in London, which recognize the achievements of black people in English football. He said he has to speak to his cousin about the incident. "The more we see (racism) is a problem and we can do something about it, the more it eradicates the problem from happening," Ferdinand said. "Until we can do that, this problem will continue (to) happen and I think it will steadily get worse until major steps are taken about stamping this out." The Terry incident is also being investigated by police in London. The 30-year-old defender said the alleged comments directed at Ferdinand were taken out of context by social media users who spread the video on Sunday night. "I thought Anton was accusing me of using a racist slur against him," he said after the match. "I responded aggressively, saying that I never used that term." The incident happened during English football's anti-racism week, which highlights the progress made since abuse marred the game in the 1970s and 80s. And it came just a week after the FA launched a probe into allegations that Liverpool striker Luis Suarez racially abused Manchester United's black defender Patrice Evra during a Premier League match. "I think the FA, FIFA and UEFA have been in positions where they have been able to stamp out a few problems which have reared their ugly heads in the last few years and they haven't done so, or they haven't done it diligently enough," Ferdinand said. "And I think that's what has brought us to where we are today talking about this situation (with Anton). www.deseretnews.com/article/700191819/Les-Ferdinand-Ban-Terry-if-claims-are-proven.html?s_cid=rss-38
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Post by superckat on Oct 27, 2011 1:27:26 GMT
Just seems strange. If he said it, surely would have said it on other times. (Does he have that record?) And of course if he didnt say it, however much dont like him, wouldnt want him accused of something he didnt do (when there's so much slime over what he has done and said) John Terry's defence is not helping him at all - He claimed he was responding to Anton's claim. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Anton didn't hear anything or claim anything. So there is nothing for Terry to respond to - Terry is jogging away backwards and somebody alledgedly accuses him of a racist comment. So he repeats the comment putting the words "I didn't call you a" before it. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. If someone wrongly accused you of being racist. You wouldn't be jogging backwards repeating what they have just said. In fact you would stop, run towards the player accusing you and have it out with him. Accuse him off being out of order, a liar, insist he takes it back etc. - Terry claims he had a 10 minute meeting with Ferdinand in the changing room DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Apparently Ferdinand wasn't aware of a racist comment being made at that time. So what was discussed? Ferdinand's event of their chat after the game was J T asking him if "they're cool". In these situations, people only tend to ask if "you're cool" or "alright" when they've done something wrong and hoping that it won't go any further. The more Terry speaks the bigger the hole he digs for himself.
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Post by sharky on Oct 27, 2011 4:02:00 GMT
Hill, Derry and Kenny giving evidence and Cole's reluctance to back Terry all point to Terry's version being more than suss.
He should have just admitted that in the heat of the moment he muttered something under his breath that nobody was supposed to hear and that he now deeply regrets and that he would like to make restitution for, and a positive could have come out of this. But no, Terry isn't that sort of person, he thinks he can lie himself out of this. He can't, and it may be the end of his international career. What an idiot!!
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Post by ozhoop on Oct 27, 2011 5:57:08 GMT
Even scummers are seeing the light....( from The Shedend) Sorry it go's on a bit...
#115 Davey Baby Posted Today, 12:30 AM In the Ressies
Members I'm going to say something that's not going to go down well with some of you guys, but here goes, and this is in spite of the fact I have posted many times of my admiration for Terry ..
He is an idiot.
I've seen the clip and no-one can convince me he hasn't said what he's alleged to have said. I've heard all the arguments so spare me.
In my opinion he says, "Hey, Hey, Anton, you f**king black c**t. f**king knobhead."
He says it to himself, not to anyone else. He shouts it out but no-one can hear him.
I just don't buy his explanation. It sounds plausible but it doesn't stack up, not in my book. He's out of earshot of Ferdinand, he's angry he's frustrated he's exasperated, and it comes out.
Does this mean he's a bad guy? Or a racist? No. But he said it. It's f**king clear as day.
As soon as he's learned he's been caught he's come out with the only explanation he (or his agent, or the club, or the manager) can think of, and I don't blame him for that, but the clip suggests otherwise to me, and I don't believe Ferdinand asked him if he had called him that, in the moments before we see Terry in that clip. I just don't believe it, and Ferdinand isn't backing up his story.
My guess is that Ferdinand's seen the clip, he's heard Terry's explanation, he knows it's a pack of lies, hence his reason for not saying anything but allowing QPR to report it. After all, he is a black man, and it may rile him, despite their supposed friendship.
Let's assume Terry's telling the truth for a minute ..
He's still an idiot.
There are cameras everywhere. Racism is a hot potato. Suarez has just been reported for f**k's sake.
Liverpool and Man Utd are in the news. Liverpool have tried to change the way television revenues are distributed. Man Utd have just been tonked at home. City have the Tevez saga. For once in our lifetimes the focus is on other clubs, not us. They're getting it in the neck. Not us. We are quietly going about our business. Terry should have the good sense not to say "black c**t" on a Premiership football field under any circumstances. He has de-railed our campaign and once again we are the subject of everybody's hate. The Arsenal game will just be a sideshow like the City game was last time he caused controversy. He will be under intense scrutiny. It can't be good for his health, or that of his kids. He should use his f**king brain. We don't need this. We do not need this. It was a stupid thing to say, at best. It also takes the focus off Chris Foy, who was the real villain of the piece.
There will be a whole debate now about his captaincy, like there was last time. He represents a multi-racial society (unlike Spain for instance, where such a thing would be brushed under the carpet). He is England's captain. He will be vilified and there is no way he can carry on, mark my words. He has lost the armband. It will go. Black people won't have it, nor will the do-gooders. What are black Chelsea fans supposed to think? He is our leader. Don't say it John. Don't say it.
I feel sorry for him because he is the victim of his own personality. He's a great guy, a great player, a great leader, but he's an idiot. I'm sorry. If he's lied about what's happened on the pitch I'm not surprised Ferdinand has not gone along with it. I just don't buy that version of events, having seen the clip. I think he's in a lot of trouble and I feel sad.
I have no doubt Ashley Cole will back his captain, and I hope he will. I don't think what Terry's done is the worst thing in the world, far from it, he's just been stupid, and I think Ashley has enough loyalty to Terry, to Chelsea, and enough loathing of the press to stand by his man, particularly as he was on the pitch on Sunday, and he knows what was going on, and no way would he want QPR to emerge any more victorious than they have already.
I know I'll get loads of flak for this but I'm a Chelsea fan of many years and Terry is probably my all-time favourite player. He came through the ranks he is England captain and we wouldn't have won titles without him. Furthermore, when we went to the Nou Camp and drew 0-0 under Hiddink, he gave the finest individual display I have ever seen in a Chelsea shirt. We were the only team that stopped them scoring at their place all year, and we got hammered in the press for being defensive. Of course we all know what happened in the second-leg .. Chris Foy eat your heart out.
I'm just giving my honest opinion. He's been a very silly boy. Perhaps lawyers will get hold of it and he may escape punishment, but he'll be tarnished forever, and he won't be leading out England at the Euros, which is very sad. In fact I think this is the beginning of the end of his England career, which may prove to be a good thing in the long run. You can shag your brother's missus, you can shag whores, you can take drugs, you can do all sorts of things, so long as you play for Man Utd, but being caught saying the words "black c**t" on a football field, that will have the do-gooders up in arms, and they may just be judge and jury on this one, never mind the fact foreign players are probably muttering all kinds of obsceneties all the time in their native tongues ..
It's not going to go away folks, and it could have been avoided, if only he'd kept his mouth shut.
Sorry John. You've got yourself to blame. It's going to be horrible out there. I can't wait for Ian Wright's next article in The Sun.
I'm not excusing the press, but you've given them every opportunity, and they've got what they wanted, the chance to finally hammer you, and prove to Fabio they got it right all along.
I hope you're made of strong stuff, because a lesser man would be driven to suicide. Seriously. As a Chelsea fan the thought of what's coming makes me sick.
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Post by powerpump on Oct 27, 2011 6:17:31 GMT
Hill, Derry and Kenny giving evidence and Cole's reluctance to back Terry all point to Terry's version being more than suss. He should have just admitted that in the heat of the moment he muttered something under his breath that nobody was supposed to hear and that he now deeply regrets and that he would like to make restitution for, and a positive could have come out of this. But no, Terry isn't that sort of person, he thinks he can lie himself out of this. He can't, and it may be the end of his international career. What an idiot!! Agree ! Also the idiot has come up with some supid cock and bull story about he was actually denying he said the words by repeating what he claims he had not said. He has screwed himself by coming up with a ludicrous "defence". All of this said we all know that in extreme situations people can come up with some unpleasant and nasty remarks and that is exactly what happened. So in some ways i hope the incident can be brought to a closure without too much damage to the idiot Terry,but I guess it ain't going to happen.... Also if the insult was not heard by the "victim" at the time and it was really Terry mouthing to himself, I do wonder how much damge has been done?!
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 27, 2011 6:56:34 GMT
It's simple: Let's do it the old-fashioned way: Tie some chains to Terry. Toss him in the lake. If he floats, he's guilty. If he sinks, he's innocent! Of course this is the same FA that was after us last season... The Guardian/Dominic Fifield
John Terry investigation lands FA with a fresh hospital pass FA faces a thankless task with claim, counter-claim and police involvement complicating inquiry into alleged racist abuseThe official word was merely that the Football Association's disciplinary department had commenced its inquiry, its commissioners busy analysing video footage and launching themselves into a series of interviews with players and officials. The investigation would "take as long as it takes" to ascertain what really occurred on the edge of the Queens Park Rangers penalty area five minutes from time in Sunday's fractious derby. All being well, the truth would out. Yet, if only privately, those in the commission may wonder whether they have been sold yet another hospital pass. A quartet of Premier League clubs have now opted against holding their own formal, internal inquiries following allegations of racist abuse apparently directed either at or by one of their players, and instead have passed the buck on to the higher authority of those at Wembley. That is their right. Each has flung support behind their respective player leaving the FA, a third party and perhaps potentially better placed to examine the issues, to draw conclusions. The governing body will always pursue such cases with vigour and remains committed to stamping out incidents of racism within the game, even if the allegations centre, as they do now, on its own England captain. But, even so, those at Wembley could be forgiven a certain weariness at effectively having been thrust into an impossible position. There are similarities between the two cases troubling those in the disciplinary commission in that both will require witnesses for the allegations to have any traction. Liverpool's Luis Suárez has been accused of racist abuse by Patrice Evra of Manchester United, pictured, during a 1-1 draw at Anfield this month. The investigation has been continuing ever since, with the Uruguayan due to be interviewed this week. Then, on Monday, the FA received a complaint from QPR alleging Chelsea's John Terry had directed a racist comment towards Anton Ferdinand. The only person who has publicly confirmed that any offensive words were used at all remains Terry who, in a statement released on Sunday evening, insisted he had been telling Ferdinand he had not called him the term in question. What was key, in fact, was the context in which he had addressed his opponent. Yet, even in determining that context, the FA's inquiry will again have to lean heavily on witness testimonies. Terry's camp have indicated that they will look to Ashley Cole to confirm he had shouted across to his captain that Ferdinand believed he had been subjected to racist abuse, prompting the response from the 30-year-old that was caught on camera. Sources close to Ferdinand have suggested the QPR defender may not have asserted any such thing and had been oblivious to the potential controversy until en route home from the match, by which time the speculation was generating a frenzy of interest on YouTube and social networking sites. A game of claim and counterclaim is underway. In the end, is it realistic to expect the case to amount to anything other than one man's word against another's? There is another element in the Terry incident, after the complaint from a member of the public emailed to the Metropolitan police on Monday evening. That has prompted Hammersmith and Fulham police to enter a "consideration period" as it ascertains if there is any case for Terry to answer. If, on the basis of the television footage, it does launch a formal investigation, the police will inevitably seek to interview the same players and officials as the FA. The football authority insist that its own inquiry will run parallel but completely independent of any police action. Yet, should the police exonerate Terry, how could the FA do anything but follow suit? The player would effectively have been handed a cast-iron defence and, surely, no sanction within the footballing community could be deemed valid. The logistics of the disciplinary commission's task are nevertheless clear. There is video footage to be scrutinised of the 85th minute at Loftus Road and presumably inquiries to be lodged with Sky, which broadcast the derby live, as to whether other cameras may have picked up the events from alternative angles. Then there is the round of interviews. They have commenced at QPR, with commissioners having visited the club's Harlington training ground on Monday – even before the club's complaint had been made public – to hold preliminary talks with those involved.
Statements will be sought from players including Ferdinand, Fitz Hall and Clint Hill, with the latter two among the clutter of bodies on the edge of the penalty area when Terry and Ferdinand first went head to head. They will also visit Chelsea's Cobham complex. Branislav Ivanovic was directly behind Terry as the initial altercation erupted while Cole, too, will be interviewed. Whether their collective testimonies serve to cut through the clutter remains to be seen. There is no timescale within which the investigation is operating, though all parties would presumably be keen for resolution to be reached over the next week. Fabio Capello will hardly be relishing the prospect of the buildup to England's friendlies against Spain and Sweden being dominated by the allegations made against his captain. One potential source of embarrassment may yet be avoided on purely footballing grounds: the Italian is inclined not to pick Rio Ferdinand, Anton's elder brother and Terry's long-standing partner in the heart of the national team's defence, for the friendlies as he seeks to assess younger and less experienced performers against pedigree opposition. That has at least removed one element of intrigue but the rest remains murky and confused. The FA's disciplinary commission will attempt to cut through to find some clarity but this already feels like a thankless task. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/26/john-terry-fa-investigation
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 27, 2011 7:22:59 GMT
This could turn quite dirty for everyone concerned. Mole hill to mountain rapidly. It has detracted from our win for sure. That something happened is undeniable, what really was said and what the clip shows may have been said can be two different things. cameras don't lie is a falicey. They can. Because just like magic it can be an illusion.
However, I personally would like this to be sorted between the two players involved. A joint statement so to speak at the end of it. Racism of course should not be part of football, sadly some elements of it exist around the world, some in England too. With the cultural mix increasing, people are much more sensitive to what is being said and done around them. Frankly, although I fully endorse the "Let's kick racism out of football" campaign, I do fear that it has not achieved it's desired goals.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 27, 2011 9:35:09 GMT
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Post by canadaranger on Oct 27, 2011 9:58:51 GMT
Most people would say "I didn't say THAT", rather than repeating the (alleged) comment. His explanation doesn't hold water. It wouldn't hold water if it was one of ours either.
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Post by birchambluerinse on Oct 27, 2011 11:13:32 GMT
John Terry is guilty.. he trying to cover his arse.. so lets hope he gets whatever is coming to him.. also i did'nt record the game so can not play back but when i was watching it live, did anyone spot him blowing out his cheeks as to suggest that Paddy Kenny was fat..? another case of him being racist to fat people.....Guilty me lord...
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Post by superckat on Oct 27, 2011 11:19:50 GMT
Hill, Derry and Kenny giving evidence and Cole's reluctance to back Terry all point to Terry's version being more than suss. He should have just admitted that in the heat of the moment he muttered something under his breath that nobody was supposed to hear and that he now deeply regrets and that he would like to make restitution for, and a positive could have come out of this. But no, Terry isn't that sort of person, he thinks he can lie himself out of this. He can't, and it may be the end of his international career. What an idiot!! Agree ! Also the idiot has come up with some supid cock and bull story about he was actually denying he said the words by repeating what he claims he had not said. He has screwed himself by coming up with a ludicrous "defence". All of this said we all know that in extreme situations people can come up with some unpleasant and nasty remarks and that is exactly what happened. So in some ways i hope the incident can be brought to a closure without too much damage to the idiot Terry,but I guess it ain't going to happen.... Also if the insult was not heard by the "victim" at the time and it was really Terry mouthing to himself, I do wonder how much damge has been done?! I suppose the question can be asked how much damage has been done if if he mouthed it under his breath. Well the fact he got caught out does mesan that Anton will probably be very hurt to find out that someone he probably considered a mate is saying it. It also reveals what a despicably sneaky and underhanded character he is. You can bet if he's done it once he's probably done it a million other times and gotten away with it. What this shows me is someone who knew exactly what he was doing and saying and is more than someone who lost his rag for a few seconds and blurted it out. Because if that is what happened he would have said it immedialtely in front of Anton. But to jog back and mouth it like that means he knew exactly what he was saying and it's probably how thinks a lot of the time.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 27, 2011 12:32:39 GMT
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 27, 2011 21:57:01 GMT
FA to finally quiz Ferdinand over racism claim Published 22:31 27/10/11 By Mike Walters Anton Ferdinand will be questioned on Friday about the race row that is tearing at the heart of English football. A delegation from the Football Association is due to visit QPR’s training ground, to ask Ferdinand for his version of events following his bust-up with Chelsea and England captain John Terry. The FA are probing allegations Terry racially abused Ferdinand towards the end of Rangers' win over the Blues last Sunday. The investigators will interview Ferdinand, with the PFA players’ union offering to mediate in the inquiry. With the FA now summoning key witnesses, the inquiry is being stepped up because, in eight days’ time, Fabio Capello names his England squad for next month’s friendlies against Spain and Sweden. Terry, who has already been stripped of the Three Lions armband once over a liaison with a team-mate’s ex-girlfriend, is fighting to save his England career amid claims he called Ferdinand a “black c**t”. He faced trial by YouTube after a video clip was circulated online, although he emphatically denies using the words as a racist insult. Crucially, part of Terry’s alleged verbal exchange with Ferdinand is obscured when his team-mate Ashley Cole passes between him and the TV camera. PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor has offered to intervene, just as he did in the Patrice Evra-Luis Suarez alleged racism case two weeks ago. On Thursday night the PFA said in a statement that “there is a proper process to be followed for such serious issues” and that it expected the process “to be fair and transparent in establishing the facts in each case”. As well as the FA probe, police are also still assessing an anonymous complaint from a member of the public. Terry believed he had cleared the air with Ferdinand after the match. But Rangers referred the case to the FA after Ferdinand was only made aware of the racial connotations later. Terry’s attempts to contact Ferdinand and his brother Rio, who took over briefly as England skipper when Terry was demoted last year, have fallen on deaf ears. The brothers were photographed at an event together on Wednesday. Premier League managers have given their take on whether racism remains a problem in English football. “I feel at this club we do everything to stand up to racism," said Fulham’s Dutch boss Martin Jol, who played for West Brom and Coventry in the 1980s. "There’s no racism here [at Fulham] and, in England, I felt when I played here it was the same – everybody was against it.” Blackburn’s Steve Kean added: “I’m sure everyone is behind making sure it doesn’t creep back into the game.” Read more: www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/John-Terry-racism-probe-FA-investigators-will-finally-question-Anton-Ferdinand-on-Friday-article822157.html#ixzz1c1PTTd4q Sign up for MirrorFootball's Morning Spy newsletter Register here
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 27, 2011 22:10:09 GMT
TELEGRAPH Robertson urges FA to act 'strongly’ if case proven Sports minister highlights importance of investigation into racist allegations as PFA offers assistance By Jeremy Wilson Hugh Robertson, the sports minister, said that it was vital for the Football Association to take “strong action” if any allegation of racism was proved against John Terry. An investigation is ongoing following the allegation that Terry directed a slur at Anton Ferdinand during Sunday’s Premier League match between Queens Park Rangers and Chelsea. It follows the complaint from Patrice Evra that he was racially abused by Luis Suárez during the draw between Manchester United and Liverpool earlier this month. Both Suárez and Terry have categorically denied the allegations against them. On the subject of the Terry/Ferdinand incident, Robertson said that it was crucial the FA’s investigation gets to the bottom of exactly what happened. “Racism has no part in either our national life or sport so I’m encouraged that this has come to light so quickly and the FA have launched an investigation,” he said. “Clearly if the allegations are proved – we don’t know yet if they will be – but if they are proved I hope they will take appropriate action. “The key thing now is the investigation has been set up, it is running and it must now get to the bottom of what has happened. If something has gone wrong then the FA need to take strong action.” The Professional Footballers’ Association also came forward yesterday and offered to assist the FA in any way that is deemed appropriate. “There is a proper process to be followed for such serious issues which is governed by the Football Association, as the game’s regulator,” a PFA statement said. “We will assist and adhere to that process in any way which is considered appropriate, mindful that all the players are our members and as such we expect the process to be fair and transparent in establishing the facts in each case.” Les Ferdinand, the former QPR and England striker, yesterday expressed his concern that the authorities had not taken sufficiently tough action over previous incidents. “We have seen clubs in the past whose supporters have shouted racist abuse, we all come out and say it is not acceptable, but nothing is done about it so it shows these people that it is acceptable.” he said. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8854433/Robertson-urges-FA-to-act-strongly-if-case-proven.html
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Post by sharky on Oct 28, 2011 3:49:06 GMT
What is known about Terry's version is that he has not told the truth about a number of things (eg about his conversation with Anton and that he was talking to Anton when he made the racist comment because Anton was too far away to hear).
The FA need to take a hard line with this. Anything else will be saying English football is soft on racism. QPR has a high number of non white players and I'm proud of the fact that we have asked the FA to investigate the matter. There is NO room for racism in football!!
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