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Post by Macmoish on Oct 16, 2011 7:18:07 GMT
Just a note of reassurance - if anyone had any doubts or questions. Short of a legal order (and then would depend on what lawyers might say): THIS Messageboard will not pass on anyone's email to anyone else - at the club or elsewhere. Or in any other way "reveal" or pass on personal information about posters. If the club - or if a journalist - or if a fellow poster wants the contact information of anyone, we will of course not provide it. Under such a circumstance, we would forward any request on...We would ask the contact person if he has any objection to being emailed...And of course anyone can always be pmd directly. Likewise we'd of course never pass on any information to advertisers. (We of course don't have advertisers (beyond the Proboards chosen ads) - and have rejected various ads in the past. And of course, while we'd also consider any request we received, we don't take direction from anyone. And the thought that we'd leave a post up because that's what the club wanted that a poster wanted removed, I don't think somehow we'd do that. (Or that the club would even make such a request to us). Agree with the views of posters on this board. Disagree with them. We're an independent, unaffiliated board, with posters who share a common BELIEF in and Love for QPR And of course we don't take instructions or directions from - or advance the agenda of anyone. Onward and upwards
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Post by tonyr1 on Oct 21, 2011 21:45:26 GMT
A very nice gesture but not sure how you can say that? Proboards own the site, not you? Here are the Guidelines www.proboards.com/privacy
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 21, 2011 22:20:35 GMT
so the club could contact pro boards and then it would be their decision?
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Post by tonyr1 on Oct 21, 2011 22:24:15 GMT
Yes, same thing actually goes for Loftforwords which is owned by someone else.
Only boards like qprnet, Independent R's and WATRB's are owned by individuals
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Post by Bushman on Oct 21, 2011 22:25:43 GMT
A very nice gesture but not sure how you can say that? Proboards own the site, not you? Here are the Guidelines www.proboards.com/privacyRead it and I can not see where it says Pete Davies will give your private email address to Ian Taylor at the club. You really are a sad individual and a grass.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 21, 2011 22:29:25 GMT
Well "Tony" I have to confess: I have been expecting you!
Now it's true that WATRB used to be published on Proboards so you might know a little.
I do know that WATRB has a disclaimer saying they will give up information under certain circumstances. But posters seem to believe they can say that, but under the law, they don't have that right. And Pete actually violated. I have no idea re that.
And I shall certainly read up...But I somehow doubt it will change in any way what I said.
Proboards is not going to give information up (even if they have access to it) - short of legal action - or the police/intelligence/security services... Not just a request from the club (or anyone else)
And I doubt Proboards will insist on having a post up after the poster wants it down...
Put it this way: Proboards has half a million or more sites (Have to check the number). They aint going to be destroying themselves, whatever legal leeway they may say.
I can only reiterate what I said in my original post:
The reverse was actually true: Whether anybody had access to my private information with the club. There was poster. Yes you know who! Who kept asking me a couple of years ago whether I was a subscriber to QPR World/Player...And he sure seemed to know what the answer was, even though I didnt give one!
Not to mention the whole allegation of the club keeping files on certain people..!
But I'm off to Proboards now
(And of course I will read and try and understand what they say)
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Post by tonyr1 on Oct 21, 2011 22:29:50 GMT
It clearly states that Pro-boards will pass on details if they have to.
Thats why this site is free to run, as it gets free advertising too
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 21, 2011 22:31:49 GMT
I think it probably requires somewhat more than just "I want to know..."
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Post by tonyr1 on Oct 21, 2011 22:34:54 GMT
Just passing on correct info thats all.
I know it was a opportune time to post this thread, but the thing is you don;t own the site, so you cannot give guaranteed assurances.
other than that, I agree with your sentiments.
(might come under protecting third parties?)
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 21, 2011 22:36:02 GMT
I read the rules...It seems as I said...
Perhaps you could copy/paste where they would give up info short of legal directive to.
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Post by tonyr1 on Oct 21, 2011 22:38:52 GMT
I'm simply poitning out if the situation ever occurs and lets hope it does not.
The club would simply contact Pro-Boards as a third party to see what can be done. They would not contact you.
In effect you cannot guarantee not passing on information
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Post by Bushman on Oct 21, 2011 22:45:43 GMT
I'm simply poitning out if the situation ever occurs and lets hope it does not. The club would simply contact Pro-Boards as a third party to see what can be done. They would not contact you. In effect you cannot guarantee not passing on information Pete your spelling is still bloody awful. Hows the witch hunt going.
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 22, 2011 6:48:03 GMT
After what happened elsewhere Tonyr I can understand your concern about personal details.
Pro Boards rules however are written with serious crimes in mind. Such as assisting and encouraging suicide or admitting to murder within their forums and as such they have the legal means to deal with that.
They are written with a legal process in mind and there has never been a case of an entity phoning Pro Boards and getting private details down the phone without starting that legal process. If you know of an actual occasion which shows this to be untrue, please post it up so we can be made aware of it as well. As far as I am aware it has never happened unlike elsewhere.
I understand your fears, what happened recently was a betrayal of confidence and friendship in the most lowly of fashions in an exceptionally cowardly manner.
I can assure you that if anyone asked for your details a Judge would have to force us and Pro Boards to hand over any details, just like the recent Sheff. Weds case, as none of the mods work for the club and therefore do not have a conflict of interest and no desire to sell out our posters.
I can assure you that on this board your details are perfectly safe, it would require legal action for us to even aknowledge such a request and not a simple phone call.
Again if you have any actual examples of where I'm wrong, please post them, it would be of a benefit to us all.
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Post by tonyr1 on Oct 22, 2011 9:01:55 GMT
Not sure you are aware of the Sheffield Wednesday case? They wanted all personal information, not just an email. You cannot compare the two. It involved 16 Wednesday fans posting damaging comments about the Sheffield Wed board.
This site is owned by Pro-boards which is an American company. They would pass on any information if required to do so. In fact with with Pro-boards it would not only be an email passed on, it would be an IP address too, which would lead to knowing any individuals personal address.
Its that simple
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2011 9:24:44 GMT
Not sure you are aware of the Sheffield Wednesday case? They wanted all personal information, not just an email. You cannot compare the two. It involved 16 Wednesday fans posting damaging comments about the Sheffield Wed board. This site is owned by Pro-boards which is an American company. They would pass on any information if required to do so. In fact with with Pro-boards it would not only be an email passed on, it would be an IP address too, which would lead to knowing any individuals personal address. Its that simple Read their terms...(I did)...I don't see it. Checking further, I see there are actually several million proboard messageboards...It's the largest messageboard hosts.. No complaints/scandals, etc about them Since you're being so helpful, perhaps you could find us some examples of proboards stepping in as you suggest.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2011 9:26:47 GMT
There is of course a certain irony re "revealing" information about posters, given that I can think of a certain poster (and his "buddies") and what they've done.
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Post by tonyr1 on Oct 22, 2011 9:36:28 GMT
I appreciate you are sincere with your post.
Fact is you are not the owner.
Run a great board YES, but don't own it.
Pro-boards do.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2011 9:43:28 GMT
I appreciate you are sincere with your post. Fact is you are not the owner. Run a great board YES, but don't own it. Pro-boards do. No more than the millions of proboards sites! And which is why I posted the Proboards rules and what they say. And looked for accounts of Proboards coming under fire re disclosures. Didn't find. And of course the law applies no more; no less than if was independent...Actually probably far more opposition will come from Proboards and their legal staff, precisely because they have their reputation to defend about confidentiality (i do of course own www.qprreport.com )
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2011 9:48:47 GMT
Elsewhere march 2009 We Are The Rangers Boys statement - please read The Administrators of WATRB would like to reiterate that members, and not the Moderating Team or Administrators, are responsible for any statements and claims they may make on this forum. In the event that any information of a damaging or threatening nature is posted the owners of WATRB will cooperate with the Authorities and will assist with the identification of individuals through their IP and e-mail addresses in accordance with our Privacy Policy. We do encourage people 'in the know' to speculate on matters of interest about Queens Park Rangers Football Club. 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Post by Markqpr on Oct 22, 2011 10:04:36 GMT
Not sure you are aware of the Sheffield Wednesday case? They wanted all personal information, not just an email. You cannot compare the two. It involved 16 Wednesday fans posting damaging comments about the Sheffield Wed board. This site is owned by Pro-boards which is an American company. They would pass on any information if required to do so. In fact with with Pro-boards it would not only be an email passed on, it would be an IP address too, which would lead to knowing any individuals personal address. Its that simple Of course I'm aware of the Sheff. Weds. case. I mentioned it in my post. That is the very reason why it's now being discussed. In that case actual libelous statements were posted on a message board and in order for the chairman to rightly address those statements and prosecute those guilty of breaking the law and hiding behind a username, he had to take the owners of the board to court and get a judges ruling to have access to that information. It was not as simple as phoning the board owner and have him hand over that information illegally, as in what happened in the matter that were discussing in contrast. The Pro Boards terms and conditions are there to prevent people braking the law in horrendous ways, such as discussing rape and other abhorrent crimes and sharing information on how to do so. In those instances Pro Boards would willingly co-operate with the authorities in apprehending the posters hiding behind usernames. In the case we are presently discussing between Ric Roc and WATRBs, Ric Roc did not break any laws, he merely posted information on a website where that type of information is actively encouraged by it's readers and examples of at least one ex-administrator posting similar information over the last few years are to numerous to mention. There is obviously a double standard at play there. Pro Boards operate a policy of co-operation with the relevant authorities and sets out it's terms and conditions in order to protect it's-self from being used as a shield by criminals. It does not state one thing and do another and there has not been one case in the past where the data protection act was broken by Pro Boards in this or any other country. Whilst the mechanisms are there for this to happen, there is also a bond of trust between us and our posters which we have never, nor will never abuse due to a conflict of interest. We truly are independent from our subject matter. We're strong enough to respect this trust and our posters in that no information will ever be passed on to anyone without the proper legal procedures having taken place and for that to happen, laws must be broken and the poster would have the opportunity to respond to the wronged party directly first, thereby affording them the chance to take appropriate legal action themselves. Where has it ever happened where that was not the case, apart from in the instance that we are referring to that took place on another messageboard? That you can only point to an instance where this has happened elsewhere and not here, proves to me where the problem lies and who is not responsible enough to be trusted with that information. As the Pro Boards rules are there to protect law abiding posters from those that aren't, it is not an option to simply grass up fellow posters on the strength of a phone call. We're confident enough to state that if Ric Roc had posted that information on this board, neither Pro Boards nor us would have given that information without legal action bought against us. It's that confidence that inspires this trust, shown by the fact that several posters who have since left the site at the center of this matter and have posted here, have actually stated this. Some message boards are deserving of that trust whilst others have proved otherwise. As that proof lies elsewhere we can safely allay your concerns that details from this site will not be passed on without a fight, even if it's us fighting Pro Boards. If they do something that breaks that trust we will react accordingly, thru the correct legal channels our selves, affording our posters another level of protection. A grass gets short thrift on this board, even it's Pro Boards themselves, but we're happy here, confident that won't happen, as we're comfortable knowing that in the case of simply posting non libelous, perfectly legal information, that information will never be offered up on the strength of a simple phone call. Pro Boards would respond to such calls with direction to speak to their lawyers and anyone wronged on a Pro Board would probably have the intelligence to realise that, as there is no case to prove otherwise, unlike elsewhere. Thanks for highlighting this and giving us the opportunity to cover it and hopefully allay your fears. Trust me, what happened elsewhere, can not and will not happen here.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2011 10:36:23 GMT
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