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Post by cpr on Oct 17, 2011 13:06:20 GMT
My guess is the leak is Puncheon by the way for what its worth. Would he risk a lucrative three year contract in January? I can sort of see the logic of the guess though.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 13:21:39 GMT
The guess is based purely on the fact someone told me that someone drives him.
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 17, 2011 13:24:11 GMT
20 fags a day and he's a winger? Sell him to Forest!
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Post by hitman34 on Oct 17, 2011 13:33:59 GMT
how dare warnock blame ricroc for the draw on saturday. its warnocks inability to change tactics that is costing us points along with his 10 mil pounds worth of pony signings. bring back the team that beat everton. at least they play for pride
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 13:42:55 GMT
As far as i know he didnt blame him for anything to do with the result or perfomance. He blamed him for leaking sensitive information he got from a mole in the dressing room. He also wants every Rangers fan to flame the informants email as well. (Harsh by the way) Oh and i do think Warnock is wrong trying to enrage other Rangers fans about the dressing room leak Ric Roc. I mean what would he feel like if some nutty aggreived Rangers fan attacks the bloke at a match, or even worse bestows on him the same misfortune that happened to Ric Rocs mate in a pub after a match last season that he told everyone on WATRB about. (and how terrible the repercussions were going to be. There hasnt been any thus far by the way thank goodness) Would Warnock have blood on his hands by inciting it? He really shouldnt of gone that far in his berating of said information leak, and i seriously do hope common sense prevails and this all fizzles out quietly.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 17, 2011 15:54:39 GMT
how dare warnock blame ricroc for the draw on saturday. its warnocks inability to change tactics that is costing us points along with his 10 mil pounds worth of pony signings. bring back the team that beat everton. at least they play for pride You mean the team with Agyemang in it?? The same one that lost 2-0 to Wigan and 4-0 to Bolton??
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 17, 2011 16:43:39 GMT
The guess is based purely on the fact someone told me that someone drives him. Welcome to the board Mikehunt.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 17:27:40 GMT
Thank you Zed!
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Post by cpr on Oct 17, 2011 17:38:57 GMT
The guess is based purely on the fact someone told me that someone drives him. Still don't think he'd risk a decent contract though, might never get another chance to earn that sort of dosh.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 17, 2011 18:21:13 GMT
how dare warnock blame ricroc for the draw on saturday. its warnocks inability to change tactics that is costing us points along with his 10 mil pounds worth of pony signings. bring back the team that beat everton. at least they play for pride Whilst i sort of agree to an extent on your first 2 points , 10 million on Pony signings is way off the mark , you bring that team back i dont doubt they would play with pride , but i bet we would for sure go down ..
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 22:21:50 GMT
Clive Whittingham/Loft for Words Perspective re the Leaker, the Leakee, WATRB, Warnock - Some interesting things The whole piece is worth reading...Below an excerpt, which totally mirrors my view re things (Probably why I like it! ) www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/fb_news.php?storyid=14436&title=warnock%E2%80%99s_web_anger_reflects_badly_on_all_involved".... The text version of Warnock’s comments appeared on the official website with the personal e-mail address of the message board poster responsible. This, it turns out, was handed to the club voluntarily by We Are The Rangers Boys site owner Peter Davies who currently watches QPR Premiership matches from the press box at Loftus Road as part of his job voluntarily co-hosting the club’s pre-game radio show. Whatever the rights and wrongs of that situation this latest incident cannot be allowed to pass without mention of two things. Firstly, for a message board owner to willingly hand over a member’s personal e-mail address that is then published on the club’s official website is against the laws of the Data Protection Act and a clear breach of the trust people place in people like him and me when they sign up with personal details to use our sites. I cannot believe Mr Davies thought this was acceptable, I cannot believe the club asked him to do it, and I’m astonished that they then published it on the official site. Even in the face of Neil Warnock’s demands to reveal the address publicly the QPR Media Team is experienced enough to know that it wasn’t a good idea and probably legally questionable as well. Should Ric Roc want to take this further I’d back even Lionel Hutz to win the case easily, costing the club more money. Former Sheffield Wednesday chairman Dave Allen had to take his club’s equivalent site all the way to court to get them to reveal contact details of their posters, and on that occasion he only succeeded because they’d said something libellous about him. Had QPR gone through legal channels to request Ric Roc’s e-mail address for revealing a football starting line up it’s likely to have been politely refused, and that’s exactly what Davies should have done. Secondly it later transpired that within half an hour of posting the message in the first place, Ric Roc then telephoned Davies and asked him to remove the thread immediately. He did initially, but then reinstated it. Despite this Davies’ continued role at the club, and with his ‘independent’ website, doesn’t seem to be in question as the club’s media manager Ian Taylor made a point of retweeting his Chelsea rallying cry today. So it seems that Warnock isn’t bothered enough about the leak of his team to remove the press box access of the man who could have deleted the post but chose not to. Ric Roc meanwhile has been besieged by interview requests from the national press...."
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 17, 2011 22:30:33 GMT
agree
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Post by Bushman on Oct 17, 2011 22:36:56 GMT
I think Clive summed it up very well.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 22:46:06 GMT
I thought that was an excellent statement from Clive. balanced, rational, factual. Be interesting to see what comment will be said about it from some involved.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 18, 2011 12:38:09 GMT
Personally, given a certain history: I think it would probably be safest to assume that anyone who ever signed up with WATRB (which of course includes me): Any sign up information is potentially liable to have been passed on to people at QPR. That might be especially true for anyone who was "a critic" of club activities.
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 18, 2011 12:41:14 GMT
Personally, given a certain history: I think it would probably be safest to assume that anyone who ever signed up with WATRB (which of course includes me): Any sign up information is potentially liable to have been passed on to people at QPR. That might be especially true for anyone who was "a critic" of club activities. Who signs up to MBs with their proper everyday Email address?
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 18, 2011 12:55:41 GMT
Personally, given a certain history: I think it would probably be safest to assume that anyone who ever signed up with WATRB (which of course includes me): Any sign up information is potentially liable to have been passed on to people at QPR. That might be especially true for anyone who was "a critic" of club activities. Who signs up to MBs with their proper everyday Email address? I do. Why not? I trust this site Indy R's and LFW (the 3 I have signed up to) and would trust most others with it. I've never had a problem and never had an unsolicited email. Why would I need to use a secondary one?
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 18, 2011 13:35:39 GMT
I'd recommend everyone to have a couple email addresses, to try and keep the main one safe and junk free. Not implying anything about this fine site though Mark!
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Post by Bushman on Oct 19, 2011 11:39:16 GMT
Personally, given a certain history: I think it would probably be safest to assume that anyone who ever signed up with WATRB (which of course includes me): Any sign up information is potentially liable to have been passed on to people at QPR. That might be especially true for anyone who was "a critic" of club activities. Who signs up to MBs with their proper everyday Email address? I signed up on here with my proper everyday email address. I trust this site not to give out ANY private info of ANY member. Unlike the owner of the WATRB site Peter Davies (QBPete, who now jokingly calls himself "The Correspondent") who has passed on private information of one of it's members without his permission.
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Post by sirpiechucker on Oct 19, 2011 12:09:33 GMT
I'm not prepared to divulge the content of the messages between myself and Pete but the fact it no longer says the word Moderator under my name on that board will be clear for everyone to see that I am no longer a moderator on that board. I have decided to step down because of this and another incident that recently happened.
I'm not prepared to bad mouth people or get involved in mud slinging so please don't ask as to what was said. All I will say is that I've been very loyal to WATRBs over the years (even recently running their Twitter account) and have had some brilliant debates with people and for that reason only posted on that board when I could have easily posted on others. I'm not online as much I used to be but have chosen (as long as you are happy for me to) post on here instead.
In defence of RicRoc - don't know him personally but enjoy debating with him - I will say that clearly the information that he posted wasn't ever picked up by Blackburn. The clearly opperated a holding midfielder to deal with Taraabt - something which Kean himself has said he did - so although many are angry for posting what he heard it wasn't the reason for our poor performance. Warnock and the team need to look at their own performances before shifting the blame onto somebody on a messageboard.
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Post by sirpiechucker on Oct 19, 2011 12:11:37 GMT
That post put me on 222 posts - double Nelson - so to stop me from doing a David Shepherd all day long here is my 223rd post.
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Post by cpr on Oct 19, 2011 12:20:58 GMT
Don't know many who have blamed ricroc for our poor peformance and that includes Colin.
In fact the weight of opinion, at least on messageboards, seems to be the action of giving out personal contact details to the club.
Not sure if that is the same with the vast majority of fans that do not use messageboards but they will most likely be saying who's this ricroc and who told him?
Let's face facts, that site was created for the express purpose of spreading rumour, being one up on others, being the de facto ITK by people who had been laughed off of most boards due to the drivel people didn't want to read. Those that did, went there, which was fine.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 19, 2011 12:23:41 GMT
I'm not prepared to divulge the content of the messages between myself and Pete but the fact it no longer says the word Moderator under my name on that board will be clear for everyone to see that I am no longer a moderator on that board. I have decided to step down because of this and another incident that recently happened. I'm not prepared to bad mouth people or get involved in mud slinging so please don't ask as to what was said. All I will say is that I've been very loyal to WATRBs over the years (even recently running their Twitter account) and have had some brilliant debates with people and for that reason only posted on that board when I could have easily posted on others. I'm not online as much I used to be but have chosen (as long as you are happy for me to) post on here instead. In defence of RicRoc - don't know him personally but enjoy debating with him - I will say that clearly the information that he posted wasn't ever picked up by Blackburn. The clearly opperated a holding midfielder to deal with Taraabt - something which Kean himself has said he did - so although many are angry for posting what he heard it wasn't the reason for our poor performance. Warnock and the team need to look at their own performances before shifting the blame onto somebody on a messageboard. Sir Pie Chucker, you are course very, very welcome here. You always were. You always will be. As for Ricroc: It's always been several issues at stake. The club leaker; Ricroc's post; WATRB keeping up a post that the club wanted kept up and the Ricroc wanted taken down; and of course the email information be given to the club. But just re the club: I think Warnock's reaction has been scandalous. I think his "Get Ricroc" hope has beyond the pale. And perhaps most disgusting of all (although they're all bad club actions) has been the posting of that email on the Official site. Totally uncalled for. Even IF Ricroc had done something wrong. Would the club like fans to post on their websites private contact information for club staff or players or owners? I think not. (Even if it's publicly and easily accessible. And I know cos I last year erred by reposting public re Gianni's home address. And as rightly was pointed out, shouldnt and I removed)
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Post by superckat on Oct 19, 2011 12:50:41 GMT
Sirpie. Welcome aboard the good ship QPRReport. You don't need to explain yourself as to your reasons for coming here. No one is looking for that. Your contribution will be most appreciated.
Personally I don't think RicRoc has done much wrong. I believe most messageboard members will see that he has been left swinging in the breeze. Unfortunately there are many who aren't messageboard users who will get their information from the papers and may react without knowing the full story.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 19, 2011 12:52:12 GMT
In defence of RicRoc - don't know him personally but enjoy debating with him - I will say that clearly the information that he posted wasn't ever picked up by Blackburn. The clearly opperated a holding midfielder to deal with Taraabt - something which Kean himself has said he did - so although many are angry for posting what he heard it wasn't the reason for our poor performance. Warnock and the team need to look at their own performances before shifting the blame onto somebody on a messageboard. So its cool with you that a player can tell people who post on message boards every single day team and injury news then yeah? Neil was wrong to feel aggrieved that their is a mouth mole in his dressing room, and he should of said nothing? We didnt lose, and Warnock blamed nobody for the performance, as it was a fine performance by a good Rangers side, why did he have to deflect any balme for something balmeless? A win would of been great, but we didnt lose.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 19, 2011 13:03:21 GMT
Warnock can be unhappy...He can even denounce a fan's post. He can't call him not a real QPR fan - He's more of a fan than Warnock or almost anyone else at the club. And he can't give out his email information. We don't even know that the QPR person who leaked had a malicious intent - as opposed to just a big mouth
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 19, 2011 13:07:55 GMT
Why cant he though? Its only an email adress, hardly his name adress and phone number. I dont get why he isnt entitled to name and shame the leaker of private information so that the player knows how close he is to getting sacked for mouthing off. This isnt the police who have to protect informants, Warnock has no reason to keep a leaks email private imho. Different if he gave a real name out, totally different.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 19, 2011 13:17:46 GMT
First: I don't think many fans will be abusing this poster by email...But doesn't matter. It's wrong (in my opininon)..And that would be true if he did something a hundred times worse. Maybe if another fan posted his email...I'd argue against it. But would be less bad.
But just not right for the club to do. Not Warnock in his comments. Not Taylor whoever on the Official Site...
If Warnock wants to axe a player, that's his call. It's not his place to attack a fan.
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 19, 2011 13:46:20 GMT
Time to move on now, isn't it?
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Post by Bushman on Oct 19, 2011 21:15:39 GMT
Time to move on now, isn't it? Spot on Jon I think everyone is now aware of how Frees Seat Pete works. Time to move on.
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