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Post by Macmoish on Oct 4, 2011 22:27:48 GMT
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England's 1966 World Cup win tainted by evidence to suggest three West Germany players may have been doped
The most celebrated moment in England’s football history may have been tainted by a doping scandal. By Chris Bascombe 9:11PM BST 04 Oct 2011 Berlin historians have discovered a letter dating back to the aftermath of the 1966 World Cup final in which it is claimed three West Germany players were possible drug cheats. The letter penned by the former chairman of Fifa’s medical committee, Yugoslav Mihailo Andrejevic, states traces of ephedrine — a banned substance – were discovered in the offending players’ samples. It is suggested the unpunished offence was a likely consequence of treatment for cold symptoms, but ephedrine is a stimulant which was on a list of prohibited medicines distributed before the tournament. Doctor Max Danz, president of the West German Athletics Federation at the time the claims surfaced several months after the tournament, was informed in the letter his players were effectively doped during the tournament. The 1966 finals were the first World Cup to have drug testing. The 1966 final has acquired legendary status in both in England and Germany for Geoff Hurst’s controversial extra-time goal in the 4-2 victory. The German nation still calls it the game of the ‘Wembley Tor’ or ‘Wembley Goal’ because of the ‘dubious’ strike which gave England a 3-2 lead. England fans have always had a clear conscience about whether Hurst’s goal was legal or not. There will doubtless be a degree of English patriotic pleasure that 45 years on, it is the Germans who are now questioning if it was actually their own players who bent the rules on Wembley’s most illustrious day. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/8807225/Englands-1966-World-Cup-win-tainted-by-evidence-to-suggest-three-West-Germany-players-may-have-been-doped.html
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 4, 2011 22:33:02 GMT
and that is that, it wasn't a goal but we still would of won if they wasn't cheating.
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Post by cpr on Oct 5, 2011 9:14:27 GMT
They were the three that thought the ball had crossed the line.
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Post by ingham on Oct 5, 2011 16:23:34 GMT
A while back, I read that Helmut Schoen and Beckenbauer both said the 3rd goal was not decisive. What was decisive was the fact that Germany were dead on their feet.
In their view, England were the only side in it after normal time. So England would have won anyway.
As a 14-year old, I thought it was a goal. Because the ref gave it. But even then, we made jokes about the Russian linesman's war, and I for one never believed that stupid story that Roger Hunt raised his hands rather than putting the ball in the net to make sure because he knew it was a goal.
Yeah, right.
He raised his hands because the ball was too high and all but unplayable. So even then, while wanting it to be given, I didn't think it was a goal. Nobody could see where the ball bounced least of all, I suspect, that Russian linesman.
The Germans, and the Argentinians - who also claimed to be cheated, and who tend to overrate themselves (rather like England, but less absurdly) - have done some impressive cheating themselves over the years, so I'm not too concerned.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 5, 2011 16:29:41 GMT
As long as nobody goes through Tofik Bahramov's bank statements it'll be all good.
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Post by ingham on Oct 5, 2011 16:35:52 GMT
Tofik? What was he then? Chechen?
Explains it.
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Post by cpr on Oct 5, 2011 16:47:08 GMT
Wasn 't he from Ukraine?
Afghanistan.
Kazakhstan.
Russian, obviously, they all were under the USSR weren't they? That's why countires lost their own language isn't it?
Anyway, he's a hero, that's for sure. ;D
They think it's all over......
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Post by nomar on Oct 5, 2011 16:49:08 GMT
Agree with Beckenbauer. It's well documented that Germany were running on empty in extra time.
The Hurst goal is one of those moments that validate all the reasons why football is perhaps the one sport on earth where instant replay for officials shouldn't be used.
There is something magical and mythical about that 3rd goal and that is borne out by the fact that, 46 years later we are still talking about it and no one knows for sure if it was in or not.
You can certainly argue for using technology but moments like that certainly provide talking points that remain fresh generations later.
Its one of the many reasons why this is the worlds favourite game.
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Post by cpr on Oct 5, 2011 16:51:28 GMT
Azerbaijan, close but no cigar!
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Post by cpr on Oct 5, 2011 16:55:05 GMT
As long as nobody goes through Tofik Bahramov's bank statements it'll be all good. They renamed the stadium in Baku after he passed away, look at this and the home kit of FC Baku. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FK_Baku
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Post by cpr on Oct 5, 2011 16:56:16 GMT
I'll try this... Nope, I give up. Sorta sorted, innit..... H
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Post by ingham on Oct 5, 2011 18:09:24 GMT
Know what you mean, cpr. Definitely reminds me of something ... no, it's gone.
Azerbaijani, eh? Didn't take the trouble to look him up. And after all, Caucasus eh? Say no more. 80 languages and dialects in an area the size of ... somewhere of comparable size.
Maybe that was it. The ref says 'goal or not?' in, well, whatever language the ref spoke. To our Tofik, this sounds exactly like 'let's screw the effing krauts' in Abkhazian, a language Tofik doesn't really have a working knowledge of, for obvious reasons.
Let's face it, Abkhazians don't know it all that well.
Also there is the question of Joe Stalin, who lived in Baku for a while in his youth, if I'm not mistaken. His pals like Beria ran the big football clubs in the USSR, but I doubt that Joe took much interest, even in the Baku QPR.
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Post by dsqpr on Oct 5, 2011 18:59:58 GMT
Didn't we win that one by TWO goals? So the ONE goal is a bit irrelevant. And if they are going to come with all that "but we were down a goal then so we had to attack" nonsense, that is really stretching it. We scored another goal, end of story. Bite me!
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 5, 2011 19:02:27 GMT
Of course, Hurst should never have been playing. That was Jimmy Greaves' spot
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Post by ronster on Oct 5, 2011 20:03:26 GMT
I can hear world cup Willie giggling from here...and with all the drama and excitement of that game, the picture that always comes back to me first is Nobby dancing around after the game.
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 6, 2011 20:31:53 GMT
They were the three that thought the ball had crossed the line. I bet they were doped up in Mexico, too!
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 6, 2011 22:09:00 GMT
1970 we had Bobby Moore's Bogotta Bracelet...and Gordon Banks being mysteriously sick when set to play against Germany... A fit Banks unlikely to have left Germany come from 0-2 down
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 7, 2011 8:22:42 GMT
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