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Post by Macmoish on Jun 27, 2011 16:57:18 GMT
I'd send it to the OSC (to the degree you have any emails), the more the better.
AND send it to the club (various officials, but certainly including Ian Taylor) whoever email you have
And IF You want, entirely up to you, your questions can also be posted on the QPR Report blog (which its "millions" of readers)
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Post by scarletpimple on Jun 27, 2011 17:29:11 GMT
Are osc committee members not allowed to converse on message boards. If they are you would think that one or two would come on here or anywhere and explain a few things.
Or were they forced to sign the offcial secrets act.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 27, 2011 18:21:14 GMT
I presume some of them post on some board - or at minumum at least know or have contact with some - maybe LSA or QPR1st or indys - or the various board onlys
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Post by scarletpimple on Jun 27, 2011 18:35:43 GMT
Also osc website appears to be dead, last post 7months ago.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 27, 2011 18:42:42 GMT
A couple of weeks ago or so, there was a letter sent to OSC from 30+ Season ticket members re a General meeting in accordance with the OSC bylaws. (I can provide the exact, if necessary)
If the Club's chief apologist doesn't object to my asking - and of course even if does object - anyone know what's happening?
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Post by Bushman on Jun 27, 2011 20:36:00 GMT
Daniel Laryea gets confused and confuses me. I had another chat with Daniel Laryea this afternoon and I asked him how his name appeared on the Meeting Minutes as an Attendee along with Joe Kyle. I told him I was rather surprised as he had told me last Thursday that only Joe Kyle from QPR had been at the meeting. He told me that he had been confused by my questions last Thursday. I asked him what bit had confused him. He said Yes. I replied what do you mean yes. He then said that he had attended the meeting and did not mean to tell me he had not. He then told me the reason he had been confused last Thursday was because I had asked him who was on the OSC Committee and he had said he did not know. I replied. But you must have known who was on the committee when I asked you, because you have just told me that you were at the meeting representing QPR. He said. Yes, No. He then said he knew Linda of the OSC. I said Linda Favell. He said Yes. I said good. So when I asked you did you know any of the OSC Committee members you said no when in fact you did. He said Yes. He insisted that he was at the meeting and that it took place at the stadium. I asked him was the problem that when I asked him the questions last Thursday about the OSC meeting and who was present at the meeting, was that no one had told him what to say if asked. He said yes. I did say that it might be an idea to get a member of the OSC Committee to confirm on the Offy site that Daniel was defiantly at the meeting as Daniel was not so sure about it. He said he would see if that could happen. ;D I told him that his name and phone number had been removed from the Clubs Staff Directory on the Offy. He said he did not know that had happened and would find out why. I think we no why. I need a drink.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jun 27, 2011 21:06:35 GMT
i think they are shaken, not just daniel.
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Post by harlowranger on Jun 27, 2011 21:10:16 GMT
Why all the secrecy , i spoke to him , no i didnt ,i spoke to her , wouldnt have filled me with confidence if i had that phone call !
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Post by Bushman on Jun 27, 2011 21:10:27 GMT
i think they are shaken, not just daniel. Could not make it up Maude
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jun 27, 2011 21:14:46 GMT
i think they are shaken, not just daniel. Could not make it up Maude the truth is always more fantastical than the fiction bman.
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Post by greyhound on Jun 27, 2011 21:30:44 GMT
... So back to this ghost committee, do any of you actually know if they are: (a) real people? (b) real QPR fans, rather than actors or paid stooges? And then, assuming both are positives, why have this mute committee kept in the shadows? How do you contact them? Who appointed them to the committee? And other questions along similar lines. If they are genuinely trying to do an honest job, why the secrecy and the silence? It's all questions at this stage
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Post by Bushman on Jun 27, 2011 21:32:00 GMT
Why all the secrecy , i spoke to him , no i didnt ,i spoke to her , wouldnt have filled me with confidence if i had that phone call ! I told him that it was easy to get confused with so many club and supporters meeting going on all the time. He agreed then laughed nervously when he got the irony.
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Post by andygg on Jun 27, 2011 22:00:30 GMT
What a load of shite. Another pathetic chapter in the life of QPR.
Didnt any of them think to ask " WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON AT QPR?" "Are the owners selling, staying, buying players, not buying players?"
Get me in the room with Midget, orange doughnut and captain scarlet, and I will ask them the right questions. FFS
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 27, 2011 22:02:22 GMT
Obviously/presumably, he's doing what he's told by those above him. And QPR in recent years have had a history of purging certain staff ...So if you want to keep your job - and who doesn't....
Now why all this is another matter...
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Post by Hoop on Jun 27, 2011 22:05:44 GMT
Bushman... you are hilarious.
Is this Daniel a bit on the senile side?
Surely there is enough in the two OSC threads on this site to give a journalist a story... be nice to get some real answers.
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Post by Bushman on Jun 27, 2011 22:13:11 GMT
Until a OSC Committee member comes forward and confirms that this meeting did take place at the stadium on June 3rd with Kyle and Laryea of Marketing. It will look like a put up job with no substance from the club. Allegedly
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Post by Bushman on Jun 27, 2011 22:20:49 GMT
Bushman... you are hilarious. Is this Daniel a bit on the senile side? Surely there is enough in the two OSC threads on this site to give a journalist a story... be nice to get some real answers. Hoop he is confused about certain things. He would have been ok if they had told him what to say. He has only been at the club a short while and memory loss has set in already. At least with the minutes of the meeting being released he can now read what happened while he was there or was not
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Post by Hoop on Jun 27, 2011 23:36:32 GMT
Talking about any other club, a fake OSC and a fake OSC meeting would be an absurd conspiracy theory... at QPR it is actually possible. I choose to believe its incompetence rather than a deliberate attempt to dupe fans. Perhaps that's the height of naievity.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jun 28, 2011 5:55:22 GMT
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Post by terryb on Jun 28, 2011 7:05:28 GMT
E Mail sent to the club & OSC. At the club sent to Ian Taylor, Joe Kyle,Daniel Laryea,Matthew Webb, Steve Pike & Paul Morrisey.
I also asked that answers are made public to Rangers supporters.
Mac, I am quite happy for you to put on the blog etc.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 28, 2011 7:08:30 GMT
Was this as it was sent, or did you change it slightly? (If it's any change, if could just post here, or email me qprreport@hotmail.com and I'll post it. I have drafted the following comments & questions after the release of the minutes of the OSC meeting, & would like to ask you to advise as to whether to send to the club with a copy to the OSC, or send to the OSC asking them to forward to the club for answers. Alternatively if the concensus is that this is not worth following up please let me know. The other advice required is if this would be better to be sent as a group rather than as an individual. Dear ……….. After reading the minutes of the meeting between QPR & the OSC on 3/6/11 I would like to make the following comments & raise some questions. Firstly, I would like to thank the OSC committee for requesting a meeting with the club & asking some pertinent questions. However, the minutes would suggest that the club did not take the meeting as seriously as the OSC or Rangers supporters would have wanted. Therefore, please can the club or the OSC answer the following questions:- 1) For a meeting of such importance why were the club only represented by the marketing dept. & not senior management/decision makers? 2) Why could the board have not agreed a two tier ST price system prior to the result of the FA enquiry – one set of prices for the Premier & one set for the Championship? These could then have been issued directly after the Leeds match. 3) Stating that the increases were a board decision is an irrelevance. We all knew that! Why is there no explanation for the board’s rationale? 4) Why is there no “Early Bird” discount for renewals? 5) Other London based clubs have vastly superior facilities. Have any of the board or marketing dept. evenbeen in Loftus or Ellerslie Road ? Have any of you ever tried to sit in these areas during a match? 6) You imply, by omission, that the prices for Gold are not competitive. How do the club intend to compensate Gold ST holders? (I must declare an interest here as I am one). 7) Why were the minutes from the meeting only issued two days before the closing date for renewal when this was the purpose of the meeting? 8) What is there in the minutes that required 3 weeks to be approved by the club senior management? Surely only those present at the meeting can approve the accuracy of the minutes? 9) By stating that the club will only talk to the OSC, do the club realise that they have caused the backlash for the OSC committee from members & supporters groups & placed them in an unenviable position? I look forward to your reply Terry Brown
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Post by terryb on Jun 28, 2011 7:13:22 GMT
Mac, the full message sent is as below. Also if anyone wished to post this on other boards I have no problem.
After reading the minutes of the meeting between QPR & the OSC on 3/6/11 I would like to make the following comments & raise some questions.
Firstly, I would like to thank the OSC committee for requesting a meeting with the club & asking some pertinent questions. However, the responses in the minutes would suggest that the club did not take the meeting as seriously as the OSC or Rangers supporters. Would have preferred.
Therefore, please can the club or the OSC answer the following questions:-
1) For a meeting of such importance why were the club only represented by the Marketing dept. & not senior management/decision makers?
2) Why could the board have not agreed a two tier ST price system prior to the result of the FA enquiry – one set of prices for the Premier & one set for the Championship? These could then have been issued directly after the Leeds match.
3) Stating that the increases were a board decision is an irrelevance. We all knew that! Why is there no explanation for the board’s rationale?
4) Why is there no “Early Bird” discount for renewals?
5) Other London based clubs have vastly superior facilities. Have any of the board or marketing dept. ever looked at Loftus Road or Ellerslie Road ? Have any of you ever tried to sit in those areas during a match?
6) You imply, by omission that the prices for Gold is not competitive. How do the club intend to compensate Gold ST holders? (I must declare an interest here as a Gold ST holder).
7) Why were the minutes from the meeting only issued two days before the closing date for renewal, when this was the purpose of the meeting?
8) What is there in the minutes that required 3 weeks to be approved by the club senior management? Surely the only approval & accuracy could be given by the attendees?
9) By stating that the club will only talk to the OSC, do the club realise that they have caused the backlash for the OSC committee from members & supporters groups?
I look forward to your reply & would ask that the answers are made public to the supporters of Queens Park Rangers FC.
Terry Brown
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 28, 2011 8:10:59 GMT
"Done and Dusted"
re the time they took to publish the Minutes - and who knows what and when would have been published - if no one had cared/pushed....
I'd just note that when the Club/fan groups met, a year+ ago, it took something like six weeks to publish the minutes/report - as the club had to approve the meeting report...
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 28, 2011 8:36:31 GMT
As others have noted, it is strange that the OSC Committee people haven't been on the boards (and if they are on the boards already, not identifying themselves as board members)
I guess next will come a joint statement from OSC board members, when what's needed is specific answers to specific questions.
Also strange: It seems so hard to get in touch with the people.
Where are the email contacts.
Look at LSA or QPR1st or Indys - or any of the Club Messageboards: You want to get in touch/ask questions, those sites all provide contact information. Easily found. (As well of course, a board for easy questions/responses from those in charge)
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Post by Bushman on Jun 28, 2011 9:12:32 GMT
As others have noted, it is strange that the OSC Committee people haven't been on the boards (and if they are on the boards already, not identifying themselves as board members) I guess next will come a joint statement from OSC board members, when what's needed is specific answers to specific questions. Also strange: It seems so hard to get in touch with the people. Where are the email contacts. Look at LSA or QPR1st or Indys - or any of the Club Messageboards: You want to get in touch/ask questions, those sites all provide contact information. Easily found. (As well of course, a board for easy questions/responses from those in charge) I think the major stumbling block for the OSC Committee members is that before they can say anything on this subject they would have to go through Clubs Press, PR & Publications Manager Mr Ian Taylor first.
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Post by scarletpimple on Jun 28, 2011 10:47:18 GMT
It seems obvious that the committee members are seemingly on some sort of club leash, and if so why do something that does not seem to be any benifit to the very people (st holders) they are their for.
If they are on this select committee for reasons other than representing fans, even if its for good charity work, the the name osc needs to be dropped, or the committee resign. Or the whole shebang needs to be disbanded as a wast of time.
And as feeling represented by the osc, i do not.
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Post by Bushman on Jun 28, 2011 11:29:18 GMT
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Post by Markqpr on Jun 28, 2011 12:09:13 GMT
Could be a perfect opportunity for the OSC members to sort out this mess the club has put them in. The OSC seem to excel at charity work within the community, so it is with all the respect to current members that I say this: perhaps the two vacant positions could be filled by two new members whose main task is to deal with the club in such matters as season ticket prices and other concerns, subject to election and the existing members can therefore concentrate solely on the community side of the OSC. It's plainly unfair of the club to suddenly restructure it's process on dealing with the fan's and leave the OSC in the middle of a fight it does not seem to be equipped to deal with. I am also dismayed that they did not ask the club how fans who are not members nor season ticket holders due to financial constraint are supposed to address their concerns at being priced out of the club. It's obvious they do not have to ask anything on behalf of any non members but there is a two tier system in place a Rangers at the moment discriminating against less well off supporters and at least common sense and decency prevails and that issue is raised with the club by our only mouthpiece.
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Post by Bushman on Jun 28, 2011 23:46:32 GMT
Could be a perfect opportunity for the OSC members to sort out this mess the club has put them in. The OSC seem to excel at charity work within the community, so it is with all the respect to current members that I say this: perhaps the two vacant positions could be filled by two new members whose main task is to deal with the club in such matters as season ticket prices and other concerns, subject to election and the existing members can therefore concentrate solely on the community side of the OSC. It's plainly unfair of the club to suddenly restructure it's process on dealing with the fan's and leave the OSC in the middle of a fight it does not seem to be equipped to deal with. I am also dismayed that they did not ask the club how fans who are not members nor season ticket holders due to financial constraint are supposed to address their concerns at being priced out of the club. It's obvious they do not have to ask anything on behalf of any non members but there is a two tier system in place a Rangers at the moment discriminating against less well off supporters and at least common sense and decency prevails and that issue is raised with the club by our only mouthpiece. The OSC Committee do excellent charity work in raising money for the QPR in the Community Trust. I wonder if anyone knows and can tell us if all the monies raised by the OSC go directly to the QPR in the Community Trust.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 29, 2011 8:05:42 GMT
Any response yet?
Is there direct contact info for the board members of the OSC? (There was a contact info/non QPR email address couple years ago. But not on the Official Site now)
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