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Post by Macmoish on Jun 18, 2011 9:54:56 GMT
When your club (or their Unofficial Official Proxy or their local media) says one thing. And another club says something different, who do you believe?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 18, 2011 9:56:42 GMT
Thats a tough question, the way our club is currently run I would say the opposing club.
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Post by saphilip on Jun 18, 2011 11:01:33 GMT
Nothing tough about the question at all - the opposing club of course, and so far everybody who has voted support that view.
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Post by kempton ranger on Jun 18, 2011 11:40:34 GMT
Agree with the general consensus . How can we begin to believe the crook and his cronies?
Good luck Warnock.
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Post by Budgies Mullett on Jun 18, 2011 11:41:20 GMT
Believe the other club - been that way for many years now.
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Post by Jon Doeman on Jun 18, 2011 11:56:01 GMT
Any specific bull, you're referring to Mac?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 18, 2011 11:57:43 GMT
Could this be referring to the Parma friendly?
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Post by Jon Doeman on Jun 18, 2011 12:10:24 GMT
Could this be referring to the Parma friendly? Oh they definitely messed that up somehow Rory, seems they have the reverse midas at the mo!
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Post by harlowranger on Jun 18, 2011 12:15:01 GMT
10 voters none believe the Club , now theres a surprise !
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Post by devonparkranger on Jun 18, 2011 15:19:02 GMT
Its sad to say but the truth is our club dosent know what the truth is... They are a total shambles...
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Post by harlowranger on Jun 18, 2011 15:34:41 GMT
Make that 12 , is that you Mac ,keeping on pressing the Believe Opposing Club Button !
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 18, 2011 16:13:09 GMT
I haven't yet voted
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Post by londonranger on Jun 18, 2011 19:18:23 GMT
You know I dont think - They really care nor give much attention to it. We go trough this a lot with the reviews we do and an earlier post by a member said that our official site has never really been that informative.
Then you can add omissions on purpose, like Whitney United, and the great Brawl of China.
Now since we became Briatore Park Rangers, any necessary propaganda from the top must go on
perfectly or he has someones job. The Sousa proclamation on the Tannoy was right out of Mao Tse
Tungs book of propaganda.
That stuff gets on, but wasnt much change when we were Warnock Park Rangers, as the board
was behind, and not involved. The Harrow boy an example. All over the press and Harrows offficial
yet we hadnt heard about him. Then of course Our greasy mechanic had missed another bit of the rule book.
There not all bad but really not much good. Full marks though for obfuscating, covering up and denying.
As lifelong fans we deserve a lot better than that.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 18, 2011 19:27:22 GMT
You know you could be right. And this is obviously not a scientific poll in the slightest. But I wonder if this poll went viral and more people gave their view (and there were some kind of controls to prevent multiple postings etc), whether teh figures would be very different.
(And of course it would be interesting if other club fans did the same poll to see how different (if they were) would be the finding for others. (That would be a good Football Fan Supporters Census)
HOwever if these findings for QPR really were representative of the broader QPR world, that would be pretty bad. The club NEEDS its fans to believe in the website. They've lost their Propaganda arm. Not because people don't read that other site. But because people KNOW it's pro-Paladini propaganda and defense. Inevitably. That's not how good propaganda works.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 19, 2011 3:28:07 GMT
Not one person would believe the club - amazing! Take a note of that Owners!
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Post by bourneranger on Jun 19, 2011 7:56:26 GMT
I have got to the stage after all these years of now NOT believing anything that our fan loving club puts out, how sad is that?
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 19, 2011 10:20:45 GMT
Welcome Bourneranger to our site.
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Post by terryloftus on Jun 19, 2011 18:43:00 GMT
If you believe the transparent propaganda of anyone addicted to power, worship & greed- In my opinion, history (and the present day!), should tell you your a fool! What benefit is there in there people being honest? If they were, they would never had got where they are in the first place! Those who believe the hours of spin that these 'people' have to register before going public, are the type who voted for Blair & Bush!! If you are being honest, and what you feel is heart felt.... do you need to refer to notes all the time? The Managers & players are gagged by the Club (Have you ever seen an interview with a staff member who say's " Actually, this part of how they run the Club really p***es me off!, and while we are at it......") Of course you haven't and you never will! Everything is perfect at the Club.... until they retire, then you realize everything they said, was put in their mouths! There are too many examples, but any adult who still falls for what those who built fortunes on being ' economical with the truth' really needs to look at human nature! Count how many times, those with power have kept their word & not mugged us off. Then compare that to the amount of lies you have heard..... There's your answer! Why did Alan Sugar become a Sir, and then a Lord in such a short time? Well, i'm not suggesting Alan was part of this, far from it- But there was a scandal called ' Cash for honours', remember that? Rich people could make a large donation to the Labour party, and literally buy a title! While in all those years before, people who deserved them never got a sniff (Like our ONLY and probably LAST ever England World Cup winning Captain- Bobby Moore!- if in doubt that he deserved it, as a man & player, read how he beat Cancer just a couple of years before lifting the World Cup- After being told he would never walk again!!!!) Don't believe ANYTHING they say, then they can only suprise you if by some miracle .... The Truth Breaks Free! People even seem confused over what the Spin Doctors have called ' The Credit Crunch'- There is NO credit crunch, it's politician talk for ' Another war, that we simply can't afford and are having to borrow!', wars are the most expensive thing that can happen to a country, especially when it's long, drawn out and you can't win! There were taxes are going, Billions don't just go missing and the PM goes " Oh well, don't know where that went - but never mind!" But, that is exactly how it has been spoon fed to us....... and a lot people actually believe it!!!! Christ, we only paid off the 'Lend Lease deal' from America, from WW2 a few years ago!!!! And Yes, it is relevant to foot ball Clubs, it's all politics. It's legal organized crime at it's best! Anyone who believes self serving spin from friend, foe or anyone with high,self serving motives from those who only worship power and money.... is a very silly person! Money doesn't talk it swears.... and honesty is worth NOTHING!!! Tel Attachments:
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Post by blockhead on Jun 20, 2011 9:15:04 GMT
Thats a tough question, the way our club is currently run I would say the opposing club.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 20, 2011 10:40:33 GMT
Love ya picture there Tel, same as down here with our liars....errr Politicians.
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Post by saphilip on Jun 20, 2011 10:51:43 GMT
22 votes for the other club, 7 for neither and a big round ZERO for our club. How sad is that? And yet the owners carry on as is.
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Post by terryloftus on Jun 20, 2011 18:10:49 GMT
Because when did the owners give a sh** about us??? Any 'Owners'- who completely change our emblem without some kind of poll, or in put from us (The ones who will be wearing them) but just the badge we had for years on a whim (And I still can't identify with the new badge as a QPR badge!, you end up having to tell people what team it stands for, and we don't exactly wear it with pride.. do we?, the Hoops YES- The badge- is wrong!!!) The thing is all over our stadium and everything in the shop! I managed to get 3/4 length bottoms in the shop a while ago. My idea was to have ALL our badges in a row, with the Club name underneath, in blue & white or red & black. This was because it was stupid that to get some QPR track bottoms, you had to pay £70 for a whole track suit! What the put in the shop were pure black, with one white new crest on , and they wonder why they didn't sell!!! If anyone thinks otherwise, look at what the shirts with the REAL badge on sell for, or how many bids are put on these shirts on e-bay!! The old badge was the surface that said " We are Proud QPR fans" and everyone knew the badge- There was NOTHING wrong with it, it was OURS!! All you need to know is, how they kicked the badge out without any interaction with the supporters, and put it all over the stadium. The announcement of the new 'REGIME' - like a Nuremberg Rally!!!! We were TOLD- NOT ASKED!!! How many things have you not bought because of A) the price B) that badge? What other Clubs have even tried that?, being as rich as our Club is, it should be a great time of reward for our supporters. We should be cheaper, because the Club is rich! Instead, we are punished by being dealt out some of the most expensive stuff in any club (Compare on-line Club Shops!) SURELY, it's obvious.....how much 'The Regime' cares about us! They also need someone with a bit of knowledge of club merchandise, because I can tell you, they don't have a clue and know nothing about football! Look at the old programmes, the staff list was full of ex-players and football people. Now, there is only Mark Bircham - and he's on the training side of things. By good pal at Stoke, invited me to join him in the VIP box when we play them away. The top man there is Gordon Banks and I hope to be meeting up with Sir Gerry- MR QPR himself. It's a warm, welcoming thing to do. Our Club, used to be a home from home, and you never knew who would be there. Now, it's them and us!, you don't just cover a 'CLUB' in your jack boots and treat fans who have supported the place for years like walking wallets who follow orders, getting even richer with absolute amateurs in charge of merchandise etc (Look at our staff directory- who are they??) Corporate, cold, totally inaccessible, full of security guards (That intimidate a lot of people), buy or go! , Capitalism where money is God! (How much support have you given the Club over the years? How much have they given back?, Why do you think no ex-players are seen in the boxes, why there's £90 'Legend reunions' that only about 5 ex- players bother with, Send a letter to a player or ex-player to a Club and they will get it, except ours! - Example- When I was first trying to contact Roger Morgan, QPR said they had no contact for him (Which was strange as he was at a recent '67 do & Ron Springett's Daughter worked there for years, before being sacked last season and Ron's VIP seat being taken from him.) I actually sent an E-mail to West Ham. Two day's later, the phone rings- it's Roger Morgan!!! From experience I know, QPR players don't keep in touch when they leave (usually under bitter circumstances). I have spoken to all of them individually, but none of then know what their team mates are doing. I actually gave Roger's number to Mark Lazarus- both '67 Wembley scorers who were not in touch.... and they actually lived two miles apart!!!! But neither of them have a clue where- Sibley, Hazell, Hunt, or Allen are! Dave Thomas & Don Masson, have no clue where other lads of '76 are- Yet, as I said about Don Masson, all their other clubs have a former players association- we don't! Believe the Club all the time or ant club?.... You have to be a gullible idiot! Believe YOUR OWN instinct and don't be fooled .... It's the ONLY thing you can trust!! Tel Attachments:
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Post by calders on Jun 20, 2011 18:31:11 GMT
You make a lot of good points there Tel although i think your being hard on the club shop staff. I feel this has improved big time in recent years with a good selection of old and new stock, the only problem i can see is with the Lotto selection which always seems to arrive late and has no childrens sizes which is ridiculous! I think you will find Terry Springett did not get sacked as she still works there as Club secretary. You must have been thinking of Sheila Marson! As i mentioned on one of your previous posts last week the board have no understanding or knowledge of this proud and Historic working class West London Football Club! There are only a handful of Rangers die hards that still work at the club!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 20, 2011 20:33:51 GMT
Jackie Bass was also sacked. The club shop may have improved using ideas that were put forth by Tel. His suggestions appeared on this site some time back and amazingly reto shirt became an "New idea" there after.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 20, 2011 21:53:16 GMT
Jackie Bass was also sacked. Never understood the legality of Jackie Bass' departure - if the facts were as I undertood them.
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Post by londonranger on Jun 20, 2011 22:16:27 GMT
No Firstly its not my club any more. Its not their club. QPR Holdings owns the debt the ground is in debt to Amulya, unless the two bandits have bought their option.
What is on the official is propaganda which they want spread. Do I believe their propaganda? Not often.
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Post by calders on Jun 20, 2011 22:52:05 GMT
Tel had ideas, i had ideas, you had ideas, whats it matter? If something is done than all the better. I came up with an idea when i was 12 yrs old and told my old man about it. 15 yrs later the Japanese use it on their Tubes in Tokyo. Doesnt mean it was my invention. They probabably thought it years before me! Lets stop worrying about Ego's and give credit if something is put in place! The club couldnt give a monkeys about what the fans think so what makes you think they monitor every board looking to find out who has an idea or two?
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 20, 2011 22:55:00 GMT
I know we all criticize our club. Because we love it.
I have really only a very, very vague idea of what it's like elsewhere re club and fans, etc, etc.
So especially at the top level, maybe elsewhere is not so rosy either.
Probably better than QPR. But far from being a panacea most places
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 20, 2011 23:15:21 GMT
Yes, the club do monitor certain MB's.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 23, 2011 8:35:12 GMT
Still time to vote...!
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