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Post by w12ranger on Jan 29, 2010 22:06:40 GMT
Pete talking bollocks on WATRB www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48734"Lets not upset Bernie & Amit they have done nothing wrong spin"If fans want to protest then they should let The Board know what they think, who the F**** does he think he is telling us what to do. The players get verbal abuse so why shouldn't the board, I say crank up the nosie, there is no such thing as a silent protest in football.
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Post by cpr on Jan 29, 2010 22:09:04 GMT
Is Scott there? What is he saying?
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Post by FloridaR on Jan 29, 2010 22:17:14 GMT
The defenders of the indefensible rise again......
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 29, 2010 23:27:33 GMT
"Interesting" perspective!
I don't know how effective or how many people will engage in a protest. But I don't think these tough guy businessmen will be so upset by a protest that they'll suddenly turn on QPR.
It's like the myth that Chris Wright suddenly abandoned QPR because of a couple of obnoxious fan protestors
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 29, 2010 23:29:15 GMT
It's also a little hard to follow the logic path. Because for quite some time, when things have been bad, it's been: It's not Paladini. It's (almost) all Briatore. Now suddenly it's dare not protest I just wonder how Briatore feels about how he's been getting all the blame by some
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Post by desorchid on Jan 29, 2010 23:44:27 GMT
My basic understanding of why Chris Wright 'abandoned' Rangers was that he had a messy and expensive divorce to sort. Coupled with the fact that, stupidly, having been a Rangers season ticket holder and fan, he wanted to put money into the club - you can't deny that he gave his managers money to spend - look at some of the useless signings.
Anyway, my point is this, although Chris Wright was flawed, i believe that he was on the side of ‘good.’
None of the current regime are. Did Bernie stand on the old school end in the 60's? No. Did Flavio...you know where this is going.
For those who wish to criticise Chris Wright, and i had many moans and groans, but if, if you had a few bob, would you continually subsidize this club? To the detriment of your family? Would you? many on here i note are living far away and don't have to go down there every week, and I, with the last 6 months fall into that category too, but i still go to as many as i can, despite the financial strain.
To summarise, Bernie short man complex so get a tall fit bird complex, Flavio Orange racing car cheat, and Gianni football agent, please go away.
Any similarity to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.
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Post by klr on Jan 29, 2010 23:49:37 GMT
100% I would choose Administration ( & Relegation ) if it meant the back of Paladini & Briatore. Supporting the club in its current guise is a moral impossibility. Briatore & Paladini out of QPR.
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Post by obk on Jan 29, 2010 23:52:15 GMT
Good post desorchid. I think you're correct about Wright, he tried but failed. His failure made the club a mess, but he wanted QPR to succeed for the right reasons.
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Post by desorchid on Jan 29, 2010 23:52:46 GMT
Exactly. What would be so terrible about 'doing a Luton'?
Supporting the club in the third tier was some of the best times following the club.
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Post by benjamin163 on Jan 29, 2010 23:57:49 GMT
You need an atmosphere for a decent protest. Therefore, there won't be a protest tomorrow!
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Post by desorchid on Jan 30, 2010 0:02:57 GMT
In my experience, Rangers fans tend to be a more 'vote with your feet' bunch. The fact they will start getting appalling crowds will send the message.
BTW this is really hateful, I so want us to have a packed ground in good humour with free flowing football. For a fleeting moment in the autumn, it seemed like we had it.
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Post by toothache on Jan 30, 2010 0:29:37 GMT
Why force doing a Luton
when you potentially don't have to??
Think your forgetting we have more people on board than just Flavio and one of them is related to the richest person in the world. Would be silly to waste that opportunity, wouldn't it?
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Post by klr on Jan 30, 2010 0:36:45 GMT
Notice the way that Pete is already laying the groundwork so that when we do go in to Administration it will be "the fans fault" & absolutely nothing to do with "The Golden Goose" Absolutely Pathetic behaviour, you spin so much I'm surprised you havent started to look like one of these......
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Post by desorchid on Jan 30, 2010 0:45:00 GMT
No, not really. I would rather play at a much lower lever and have some belief, involvement and connection to the club.
I have absolutley no interest in Rangers being in the Prem, Champions League, or even the 'Championship' if it is on the back of people putting loads of cash in and artificially inflating our position.
The only caveat i would put on that is if I suddenly became a mega billionaire and as a Rangers fan put some dosh into the club. I feel uncomfortable if it comes from someone who isn't 'one of us'.
It's about more than 'position'. That's why we hated the idiot Liverpool fans at school, and why most 'proper' football fans hate Manchester United fans, cos they ain't got not connection, no history.
It's why (and i know a couple) of man Utd fans who hate Glazier, and really hate the fact that so much of their attendance is made up of 'outsiders'.
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Post by w12ranger on Jan 30, 2010 9:50:49 GMT
Why force doing a Luton when you potentially don't have to?? Think your forgetting we have more people on board than just Flavio and one of them is related to the richest person in the world. Would be silly to waste that opportunity, wouldn't it? What opputunity? BE & AB are members of a Board whose decisions have systematically ripped the heart and soul of this club. Stop trying to pin everything on Briatore! You make me laugh, it actually seems like you are trying to blackmail fans into not upsetting these Board members incase they walk away. If Bhatia really loves the club then let him see how much the supporters are hurting. My feelings are if Bhatia stays away then he is nothing more than a bottle job and he doesn't went to take any stick. Whoever turns up today given the rumours about protests actually deserves credit. If BE & AB are not the problem then I'm sure they are smart enough to work out what the problem is and resolve it. But do they? I don't see them rushing to buy out Briatore, I don't see them stepping in and stopping the sale of Routledge. I don't see them stopping your mate Paladini financially ruining this club....at what point in time do they do something? Even as minority shareholders they still have a voice and sure FB would listen to this pair. Maybe the reason why your so deperate to see us playing in the PL is because you personally was not there as a fan when we were up there; Is it because once we are there you will get to carry your drum to all the big grounds, get caught on the Skys cameras, thus underlining your self obsessed personality and 'superfan' status??? Personally I couldn't give a F**** about getting promoted anymore, I want to see us debt free, with a united fan base, and a new board if that what is required who actually care about this club. I don't want expensive loans or journeyman donkeys which your mate Paladini seems to favour so he can line his own pockets the theiving c*n*. I would like to see us wheeling and dealing in the transfer market again, signing players who actually want to play for this club and the fans. If we have to drop a division or do a Luton to achieve this so be it. Maybe you should change your User Name to Headache because thats what you are giving me.
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Post by toboboly on Jan 30, 2010 10:01:05 GMT
Why force doing a Luton when you potentially don't have to?? Think your forgetting we have more people on board than just Flavio and one of them is related to the richest person in the world. Would be silly to waste that opportunity, wouldn't it? Didn't realise a relative of Warren Edward Buffet was at the club. Lakshmi Mittal was the fifth richest person PRIOR to the fall in the world's economy so now I imagine he is a fair bit lower. How about researching things rather than brown-nosing?
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Post by obk on Jan 30, 2010 10:23:44 GMT
BUT, the last 6-9 months or so the Mittals fortune is again on the rise. So for them I would say things look bright. Also, mega rich people like them usually comes out of these things stronger than before. They downsize and fire employees and then they buy their smaller competitors.
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Post by cpr on Jan 30, 2010 10:24:39 GMT
Why force doing a Luton when you potentially don't have to?? Think your forgetting we have more people on board than just Flavio and one of them is related to the richest person in the world. Would be silly to waste that opportunity, wouldn't it? Didn't realise a relative of Warren Edward Buffet was at the club. Lakshmi Mittal was the fifth richest person PRIOR to the fall in the world's economy so now I imagine he is a fair bit lower. How about researching things rather than brown-nosing? If you can call Mittal, nivolved in football, then he would be the richest man involved in football. Given toothache's demonstrated lack of knowledge regarding world affairs, this is no surprise. I also cannot for the life of me understand how someone can demonstrate such a lack of knowledge regarding what being a Rangers fan is all about. Saddening and pathetic really.
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Post by w12ranger on Jan 30, 2010 10:32:14 GMT
Didn't realise a relative of Warren Edward Buffet was at the club. Lakshmi Mittal was the fifth richest person PRIOR to the fall in the world's economy so now I imagine he is a fair bit lower. How about researching things rather than brown-nosing? If you can call Mittal, nivolved in football, then he would be the richest man involved in football. Given toothache's demonstrated lack of knowledge regarding world affairs, this is no surprise. I also cannot for the life of me understand how someone can demonstrate such a lack of knowledge regarding what being a Rangers fan is all about. Saddening and pathetic really. Well this is it isn't it for the rest of us being a Rangers fan started a long time before Paladini turnt up.
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 30, 2010 10:35:16 GMT
OF course when say WATRB, I don't think it's actually the view of the overwhelming preponderance of those who have posted on the subject on WATRB.
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Post by obk on Jan 30, 2010 10:35:57 GMT
Nice and easy lads, don't go all e-rage at eachother again please.
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Post by w12ranger on Jan 30, 2010 10:38:35 GMT
OF course when say WATRB, I don't think it's actually the view of the overwhelming preponderance of those who have posted on the subject on WATRB. I agree, title amended. Not fair to tar everyone with the same brush.
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Post by finney on Jan 30, 2010 10:43:53 GMT
Why force doing a Luton when you potentially don't have to?? Think your forgetting we have more people on board than just Flavio and one of them is related to the richest person in the world. Would be silly to waste that opportunity, wouldn't it? See again Qblockpete missing the point and that is a simple one. It is not about the money. For a start Bernie jas never lied to us and has always made it clear he is not a football man. Amitt i am not sure about and seems to do nothing while rome burns. We have spent millions on wages hence why our club is heading into meltdown again. Paladini has wasted it.Flavio let him and that is just as daft. Simple. Pete and Co forget that protests almost came about at the time of Paladini in charge over the club being run into the ground. This takeover was all about giving Paladini a joib. And i bet you that Paladini is still working his spell on pete and co by telling them it was all down to Flavio and then telling Flavio that it is the fans fault. The man has more faces than Joan Collins.
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Post by Markqpr on Jan 30, 2010 10:50:54 GMT
No, not really. I would rather play at a much lower lever and have some belief, involvement and connection to the club. I have absolutley no interest in Rangers being in the Prem, Champions League, or even the 'Championship' if it is on the back of people putting loads of cash in and artificially inflating our position. The only caveat i would put on that is if I suddenly became a mega billionaire and as a Rangers fan put some dosh into the club. I feel uncomfortable if it comes from someone who isn't 'one of us'. It's about more than 'position'. That's why we hated the idiot Liverpool fans at school, and why most 'proper' football fans hate Manchester United fans, cos they ain't got not connection, no history. It's why (and i know a couple) of man Utd fans who hate Glazier, and really hate the fact that so much of their attendance is made up of 'outsiders'. If it was only about winning and being in the premiership I imagine the fans that want to protest, the ones that have stuck with us thru thick and thin - all the relegations, Vauxhall, administration etc., would have walked a long time ago. Some of us can see past the end of our selfish noses and realise that the club is more important than reaching the false promised land. Their reasons for promotion are more to do with increased ticket revenues. You think we are paying to much for a ticket at the moment, wait till we play Man, Utd. at home, £100 a ticket anybody? The board have had long enough to realise that the club has alienated it's fans and I don't remember Bernie ever saying anything positive towards the fans in this time as well. He's more than content to sit in his exclusive area where long term, loyal supporters were removed from as he doesnt want to get that close and replaced with empty seats as a sign of 'know your place amongst us super men that can only look down on you and won't even aknowledge the £20 fan'. Here is something I know for a fact. Flabio is in charge of the football hence all the bad decisions made over the last two years by a man with all the power and absolutely no knowledge let alone experience of success in football, who also is to arrogant and stupid it seems to even aknowledge his mistakes of the past let alone correct them. His role at QPR reflects his former role in F1 - team boss. Bernie's role at the club also reflects his past in F1 over the more recent years. He is the one that was behind the ticket prices, the price banding (striaght out of the F1 circuit handbook) and setting up the C Club (C is the Roman numeral for 100 - the maximum amount of members to be allowed) and tarting up the stadium. To say that Bernie and Amit are just passengers in Flabio's crazy wild circus ride actually does them and us a massive disservice. Would you sit back and let someone else ruin your investment? They are complicit in all that has gone on so far and have done absolutely nothing to stop it. The fans are being mugged off and now being told to shut-up and take it from a 'fellow supporter' as well as the board. No money for players but money for extra security in case the peasants dare step out of line. The validity of the complaint is neither here nor there for you or the board, is it? Not even considered. Nice. Oh, wait there's a chance that Bernie and Amit might wake out of their slumber and suddenly realise what's going on. Just don't do anything that might wake them up just yet. Show one inkling of intent from either, Bernie is quick to talk about what Flabio should or shouldn't do in F1 but never comments on him in regards to us so he seems content and Amit, who this season has attended most of our home games this season and cannot be accused of staying away at all this season so far has been shown to be nothing more than a token appointment reflecting an attempt to use Mittal's wealth for PR and nothing else as he only put £200,000 into the club at the time of takeover. Not good enough for me. My football club means more than that. Honour and truth over selling out to the rich men and lying to fellow fans. I know you disagree with that. desorchid sums it up perfectly for me. Though I suppose if you sell out to the wrong people and your only hope is to continue to do so regardless of the detrimental effect they have had on your club and the way they treat the fans and their employees. Once you've made a pact you have no choice to continue to shut up and take it. We haven't sold out our club for tidbits of info or a look in the C Club and the only thing we have to lose is our club. That is worth fighting for, though I'm not surprised that you don't know that, Toothache, as it seems your under your masters orders to try and save his job. Only Bernie and Amit might keep him on, so yes, I can see where your coming from. Seriously could you be anymore creepily transparent within your posts? Try subtlety at least or at least consult with someone who understands that word. For us, the club comes first, every time. Cowing down because the rich guys might do something! Laughably pathetic and out of touch with the majority of supporters. The islands eroding quickly and desperate measures are called for. Quick go spread malfeasance amongst the supporters, that will help.
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Post by scottjones on Jan 30, 2010 10:52:49 GMT
Wasnt around last night so only just catching up with that thread.
For me, personally, i'm good with the protest. All i would say is that we need to get behind the team 100% for 90 minutes.
As for the boardroom situation I would say Flavio will be gone within two weeks...the only hope is that Amit realises we're a fantastic club with fantastic supporters and that he buys orange head out rather than walking as well.
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Post by cpr on Jan 30, 2010 10:56:50 GMT
OF course when say WATRB, I don't think it's actually the view of the overwhelming preponderance of those who have posted on the subject on WATRB. I agree, title amended. Not fair to tar everyone with the same brush. Why? It's no different to one of their pets coming here saying we have an anti paladini agenda. Or slating the whole of this site for one post! It is the agenda site in itself because they have one consistent agenda, then try to tar others with their own agenda.
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Post by cpr on Jan 30, 2010 10:58:09 GMT
Why force doing a Luton when you potentially don't have to?? Think your forgetting we have more people on board than just Flavio and one of them is related to the richest person in the world. Would be silly to waste that opportunity, wouldn't it? What opputunity? BE & AB are members of a Board whose decisions have systematically ripped the heart and soul of this club. Stop trying to pin everything on Briatore! You make me laugh, it actually seems like you are trying to blackmail fans into not upsetting these Board members incase they walk away. If Bhatia really loves the club then let him see how much the supporters are hurting. My feelings are if Bhatia stays away then he is nothing more than a bottle job and he doesn't went to take any stick. Whoever turns up today given the rumours about protests actually deserves credit. If BE & AB are not the problem then I'm sure they are smart enough to work out what the problem is and resolve it. But do they? I don't see them rushing to buy out Briatore, I don't see them stepping in and stopping the sale of Routledge. I don't see them stopping your mate Paladini financially ruining this club....at what point in time do they do something? Even as minority shareholders they still have a voice and sure FB would listen to this pair. Maybe the reason why your so deperate to see us playing in the PL is because you personally was not there as a fan when we were up there; Is it because once we are there you will get to carry your drum to all the big grounds, get caught on the Skys cameras, thus underlining your self obsessed personality and 'superfan' status??? Personally I couldn't give a F**** about getting promoted anymore, I want to see us debt free, with a united fan base, and a new board if that what is required who actually care about this club. I don't want expensive loans or journeyman donkeys which your mate Paladini seems to favour so he can line his own pockets the theiving c*n*. I would like to see us wheeling and dealing in the transfer market again, signing players who actually want to play for this club and the fans. If we have to drop a division or do a Luton to achieve this so be it. Maybe you should change your User Name to Headache because thats what you are giving me. Great post w12, having read it again properly, thought I'd highlight that.
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Post by w12ranger on Jan 30, 2010 11:20:47 GMT
No, not really. I would rather play at a much lower lever and have some belief, involvement and connection to the club. I have absolutley no interest in Rangers being in the Prem, Champions League, or even the 'Championship' if it is on the back of people putting loads of cash in and artificially inflating our position. The only caveat i would put on that is if I suddenly became a mega billionaire and as a Rangers fan put some dosh into the club. I feel uncomfortable if it comes from someone who isn't 'one of us'. It's about more than 'position'. That's why we hated the idiot Liverpool fans at school, and why most 'proper' football fans hate Manchester United fans, cos they ain't got not connection, no history. It's why (and i know a couple) of man Utd fans who hate Glazier, and really hate the fact that so much of their attendance is made up of 'outsiders'. If it was only about winning and being in the premiership I imagine the fans that want to protest, the ones that have stuck with us thru thick and thin - all the relegations, Vauxhall, administration etc., would have walked a long time ago. Some of us can see past the end of our selfish noses and realise that the club is more important than reaching the false promised land. Their reasons for promotion are more to do with increased ticket revenues. You think we are paying to much for a ticket at the moment, wait till we play Man, Utd. at home, £100 a ticket anybody? The board have had long enough to realise that the club has alienated it's fans and I don't remember Bernie ever saying anything positive towards the fans in this time as well. He's more than content to sit in his exclusive area where long term, loyal supporters were removed from as he doesnt want to get that close and replaced with empty seats as a sign of 'know your place amongst us super men that can only look down on you and won't even aknowledge the £20 fan'. Here is something I know for a fact. Flabio is in charge of the football hence all the bad decisions made over the last two years by a man with all the power and absolutely no knowledge let alone experience of success in football, who also is to arrogant and stupid it seems to even aknowledge his mistakes of the past let alone correct them. His role at QPR reflects his former role in F1 - team boss. Bernie's role at the club also reflects his past in F1 over the more recent years. He is the one that was behind the ticket prices, the price banding (striaght out of the F1 circuit handbook) and setting up the C Club (C is the Roman numeral for 100 - the maximum amount of members to be allowed) and tarting up the stadium. To say that Bernie and Amit are just passengers in Flabio's crazy wild circus ride actually does them and us a massive disservice. Would you sit back and let someone else ruin your investment? They are complicit in all that has gone on so far and have done absolutely nothing to stop it. The fans are being mugged off and now being told to shut-up and take it from a 'fellow supporter' as well as the board. No money for players but money for extra security in case the peasants dare step out of line. The validity of the complaint is neither here nor there for you or the board, is it? Not even considered. Nice. Oh, wait there's a chance that Bernie and Amit might wake out of their slumber and suddenly realise what's going on. Just don't do anything that might wake them up just yet. Show one inkling of intent from either, Bernie is quick to talk about what Flabio should or shouldn't do in F1 but never comments on him in regards to us so he seems content and Amit, who this season has attended most of our home games this season and cannot be accused of staying away at all this season so far has been shown to be nothing more than a token appointment reflecting an attempt to use Mittal's wealth for PR and nothing else as he only put £200,000 into the club at the time of takeover. Not good enough for me. My football club means more than that. Honour and truth over selling out to the rich men and lying to fellow fans. I know you disagree with that. desorchid sums it up perfectly for me. Though I suppose if you sell out to the wrong people and your only hope is to continue to do so regardless of the detrimental effect they have had on your club and the way they treat the fans and their employees. Once you've made a pact you have no choice to continue to shut up and take it. We haven't sold out our club for tidbits of info or a look in the C Club and the only thing we have to lose is our club. That is worth fighting for, though I'm not surprised that you don't know that, Toothache, as it seems your under your masters orders to try and save his job. Only Bernie and Amit might keep him on, so yes, I can see where your coming from. Seriously could you be anymore creepily transparent within your posts? Try subtlety at least or at least consult with someone who understands that word. For us, the club comes first, every time. Cowing down because the rich guys might do something! Laughably pathetic and out of touch with the majority of supporters. The islands eroding quickly and desperate measures are called for. Quick go spread malfeasance amongst the supporters, that will help. Outstanding post
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Post by cpr on Jan 30, 2010 11:27:06 GMT
If it was only about winning and being in the premiership I imagine the fans that want to protest, the ones that have stuck with us thru thick and thin - all the relegations, Vauxhall, administration etc., would have walked a long time ago. Some of us can see past the end of our selfish noses and realise that the club is more important than reaching the false promised land. Their reasons for promotion are more to do with increased ticket revenues. You think we are paying to much for a ticket at the moment, wait till we play Man, Utd. at home, £100 a ticket anybody? The board have had long enough to realise that the club has alienated it's fans and I don't remember Bernie ever saying anything positive towards the fans in this time as well. He's more than content to sit in his exclusive area where long term, loyal supporters were removed from as he doesnt want to get that close and replaced with empty seats as a sign of 'know your place amongst us super men that can only look down on you and won't even aknowledge the £20 fan'. Here is something I know for a fact. Flabio is in charge of the football hence all the bad decisions made over the last two years by a man with all the power and absolutely no knowledge let alone experience of success in football, who also is to arrogant and stupid it seems to even aknowledge his mistakes of the past let alone correct them. His role at QPR reflects his former role in F1 - team boss. Bernie's role at the club also reflects his past in F1 over the more recent years. He is the one that was behind the ticket prices, the price banding (striaght out of the F1 circuit handbook) and setting up the C Club (C is the Roman numeral for 100 - the maximum amount of members to be allowed) and tarting up the stadium. To say that Bernie and Amit are just passengers in Flabio's crazy wild circus ride actually does them and us a massive disservice. Would you sit back and let someone else ruin your investment? They are complicit in all that has gone on so far and have done absolutely nothing to stop it. The fans are being mugged off and now being told to shut-up and take it from a 'fellow supporter' as well as the board. No money for players but money for extra security in case the peasants dare step out of line. The validity of the complaint is neither here nor there for you or the board, is it? Not even considered. Nice. Oh, wait there's a chance that Bernie and Amit might wake out of their slumber and suddenly realise what's going on. Just don't do anything that might wake them up just yet. Show one inkling of intent from either, Bernie is quick to talk about what Flabio should or shouldn't do in F1 but never comments on him in regards to us so he seems content and Amit, who this season has attended most of our home games this season and cannot be accused of staying away at all this season so far has been shown to be nothing more than a token appointment reflecting an attempt to use Mittal's wealth for PR and nothing else as he only put £200,000 into the club at the time of takeover. Not good enough for me. My football club means more than that. Honour and truth over selling out to the rich men and lying to fellow fans. I know you disagree with that. desorchid sums it up perfectly for me. Though I suppose if you sell out to the wrong people and your only hope is to continue to do so regardless of the detrimental effect they have had on your club and the way they treat the fans and their employees. Once you've made a pact you have no choice to continue to shut up and take it. We haven't sold out our club for tidbits of info or a look in the C Club and the only thing we have to lose is our club. That is worth fighting for, though I'm not surprised that you don't know that, Toothache, as it seems your under your masters orders to try and save his job. Only Bernie and Amit might keep him on, so yes, I can see where your coming from. Seriously could you be anymore creepily transparent within your posts? Try subtlety at least or at least consult with someone who understands that word. For us, the club comes first, every time. Cowing down because the rich guys might do something! Laughably pathetic and out of touch with the majority of supporters. The islands eroding quickly and desperate measures are called for. Quick go spread malfeasance amongst the supporters, that will help. Outstanding post Echo that. Quality eloquence, unsurpassed on any board. ;D I would love to have written that!!!
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Post by obk on Jan 30, 2010 11:34:18 GMT
My guess is that Bhatia and Ecclestone are quite bright and knows very well where the anger is being directed.
Also, if Bhatia and his father in law want positive reactions from the fans nothing would be easier, when Flavio sells up/run away, they come in to save the day and the club.
I also think Scott is right, you who are there today, cheer the team on all you can but protest against how the club is run, but do it in a sensible manner.
Personally I'm contemplating going to a pre-season match here in Sweden between the local team and my favourite swedish team (from Örebro where I grew up), but it is freeeeeezing cold here! They might even cancel the match, I really mean feezing cold when I say cold.
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