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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 6:24:03 GMT
Have to say it's a very cozy relationship! Lots of speculation. But even those who TRULY follow this issue in the media don't seem to really know what's going to happen today. (Of course not every site was really focusing on this issue until late in the day!)Planet 1 Bernie hints at leniency for RenaultMonday 21st September 2009 Bernie Ecclestone has hinted that Flavio Briatore's departure from Renault could yet save the team from being thrown out of Formula One. Renault will today face the FIA's World Motor Sport Council to answer charges of race-fixing at last year's Singapore GP after the team had Nelson Piquet Jr deliberately crash in order to help his team-mate Fernando Alonso claim the race win. If found guilty Renault could be thrown out of Formula One, handed a suspension or slapped with a hefty fine. And it's the latter that appears to be the most likely outcome after Renault parted ways with two alleged masterminds, Briatore and director of engineering Pat Symonds. At the time of his departure, Briatore stated that he quit to save the team. "I was just trying to save the team. It's my duty. That's the reason I've finished," he told the Daily Mirror. And it looks as if Briatore's martyrdom could do just that. "I think we need to show balance. What they did was very serious. But they have acted to get rid of the culprits," Ecclestone told the Daily Mail. The F1 supremo is one of the men who will sit on today's 26-man Council and hear arguments for leniency from Renault's lawyers, as the team has already stated they "will not dispute" the allegations of race-fixing. The hearing, which will take place in Paris, will start at 07H30 GMT. PlanetF1 will bring you all the news as it breaks... www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5573478,00.html Grand Prix - Judgement DayThe FIA World Motor Sport Council meets today in extraordinary session to decide what should be done about Renault F1's race-fixing at last year's Singapore Grand Prix. The team has declined to contest the charges laid by the FIA, which amounts to a nice way of admitting them. The team principal and head of engineering Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds have both departed the team and Renault is hoping that this will be sufficient to indicate to the World Council that it has done all that it could do and that the FIA will punish the two men in question rather than the team. The fear in F1 circles is that a fine or a ban will drive Renault SA management to decide to quit the sport, which would leave two teams without engines. F1 has a sufficient number of teams for next year with 14 entries having been granted, despite the fact that the commercial arrangements are built around a maximum of 13 teams. The FIA has said that there is no reason to suspect that Fernando Alonso was part of the plot. Nelson Piquet has been granted immunity on the basis that he told the truth and revealed the plot to the federation. The major question therefore is what will happen to Briatore and Symonds. Clearly there needs to be a serious sanction against the pair, but there are questions as to exactly what the FIA can legally do. The rules state that the federation can punish "any breach of the regulations committed by any organiser, official, competitor, driver, or other person or organisation". This would seem to cover the pair, although neither needs a licence to be involved in the sport. The FIA can thus announce something like a lifetime ban, but it is not clear whether would have any actual legal status. Punishing the men rather than the team would go against the rule of collective responsibility that exist in the FIA International Sporting Code which states that "the entrant shall be responsible for all acts or omissions on the part of their driver, mechanic and passengers, each equally responsible for any breach of this code". This may be ignored on this occasion. In the past the FIA has let the Benetton team (the current Renault team before it was sold to the French company) off a cheating charge, ruling that illegal modifications were made by "a junior employee", however a year after that judgement Toyota's rally team was thrown out of the WRC for 12 months after the same defence was rejected. In both cases it was very clear that the owners and the top management of the teams did not know what had been taking place and the inconsistency of the decisions has never been properly explained. In this current case, the owners did not know what was happening but the top management obviously did. There may be an argument that the team could go unpunished, although the executives involved would then have to be penalised in order for the federation to retain credibility. This is particularly true because of the safety element involved in the deliberate crash. This goes against everything that the FIA stands for in terms of safety and a failure to act would be a disastrous move for the federation. www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21834.html
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 6:25:08 GMT
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BRIATORE FACING LIFE BAN By Byron Young 21/09/2009 Flavio Briatore could be banned from motorsport for life in today's Crashgate hearing in Paris into the Singapore race-fix. The 59-year-old Italian quit Renault last Wednesday - claiming it was for the good of the team on the day his defence was supposed to be submitted. The FIA has evidence not only about his role leading up to the fix of the sport's first night race, but his actions as a driver-manager in which he described the worldwide superstars as "pawns". Briatore, who denies involvement, faces not only a ban from Formula 1 but being barred from motor sport activities in general, including managing drivers. His stable includes star competitors Alonso and Mark Webber. Sacked Renault racer Nelson Piquet Jr. claims he was asked by Briatore and Renault technical head Pat Symonds to crash his car during last year's Singapore GP so that teammate Fernando Alonso could win the race. Symonds has denied Piquet's claims and said it was the driver himself who came up with the idea, which he took as a joke. Alonso has denied knowledge of the plot but late Friday was summoned to give evidence. The hearing is crucial for Alonso as he is set to switch from Renault to Ferrari for 2010. Renault have parted company with the two key men involved and won't contest the charges. But they still face a record fine, a ban or the loss of all their points from last season, which could have longterm financial implications. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/motorsport/2009/09/21/briatore-facing-life-ban-115875-21689160/
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 8:05:30 GMT
And it's now underway.... Based on posts, the assumption is that they decide today. But maybe they consider things after the hearing?Renault hearing under way in ParisPosted: 9/21/2009 PARIS (AP) — A hearing into how former Renault driver Nelson Piquet Jr. was ordered to deliberately crash his car during a Formula One race last year has started. The World Motor Sport Council — the highest-ranking body within motor sports' governing body FIA — began the hearing Monday morning at the FIA's Paris headquarters. The France-based Renault team is accused of ordering Piquet to crash during last year's Singapore Grand Prix in order to help teammate Fernando Alonso, who went on to win the race. Renault could be fined, banned or even excluded from the world championship. The team is not expected to contest the charges after splitting with the team's principal Flavio Briatore and engineering executive director Pat Symonds. Both allegedly plotted Piquet's crash in minute detail. www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=171629
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Sept 21, 2009 8:10:04 GMT
A report on the radio just said that new evidence [against Renault] would come to light today.
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 8:45:56 GMT
Amazing! ECCLESTONE WANTS 'BALANCE' By Ian Parkes, Press Association Sport, Paris Bernie Ecclestone today called for balance ahead of the World Motor Sport Council's extraordinary meeting into the Renault crash saga.The Formula One supremo was forced to fight his way through a scrum of photographers and cameramen on his way into the FIA headquarters in Paris. Ecclestone was clearly furious as he was surrounded by the media, the sharp-suited 78-year-old pushing them out of the way in order to take his place on the 26-man council.Ecclestone refused to respond to the inquisition he faced, at one point telling one journalist "not to ask stupid questions". However, in the build-up to one of the most important days in the sport's history, Ecclestone felt Renault had acted responsibly last week. The Anglo-French manufacturer confirmed they would not dispute the charge of conspiring with former driver Nelson Piquet Junior to cause a crash in last year's Singapore Grand Prix. Most notably, Ecclestone felt the departure from office of Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds as team principal and executive director of engineering was crucial. "I think we need to show balance," said Ecclestone. "What they did was very serious. There can be no excuse, but they have acted quickly to get rid of the culprits, and that must be borne in mind." Ecclestone was one of the last of the major players to arrive, preceded by FIA president Max Mosley and Renault's F1 president Bernard Rey - surrounded by lawyers - and succeeded by Piquet Junior. Fernando Alonso was also present, the double world champion called to give evidence. Piquet Jnr claimed in sworn statements to the FIA he was ordered to crash his car in a meeting with Briatore and Symonds a few hours prior to the sport's first night race to aid the cause of team-mate Alonso. Neither Briatore nor Symonds was present today as they are no longer team members for Renault.The council have the power to permanently exclude Renault from the championship, although such a penalty will not be imposed in this case. However, a fine similar to the £50million received by McLaren could force their hand and drive them out of F1 at a time when the car industry is still coping with the effects of the global recession. www.sportinglife.com/others/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=others/09/09/21/AUTO_Renault.html
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 8:49:15 GMT
Guardian Fernando Alonso and Nelson Piquet Jr both attend race-fixing hearing• Renault drivers seen at World Motor Sport Council meeting • Announcement on punishment expected this afternoonFernando Alonso, Nelson Piquet Sr, Nelson Piquet Jr, Bernie Ecclestone and Bernard Rey, the president of the Renault Formula One team, are in attendance at today's meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris, which will investigate race-fixing at last year's Singapore grand prix. However, Flavio Briatore, who resigned as team principal of Renault last week over the affair, has not been seen at the hearing, which began in the French capital this morning. Alonso, who won the Singapore GP following Piquet Jr's now infamous crash into a wall during the race, is expected to be questioned about his role in the plot. The Spaniard is expected to state his full innocence. The WMSC could make an announcement on their verdict as early as this afternoon. It is likely Renault will be fined and possibly suspended from competing. A full expulsion from Formula One is, though, thought to be unlikely. www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/sep/21/renault-crashgate-world-motor-sport-council
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 11:53:23 GMT
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Post by cpr on Sept 21, 2009 12:21:44 GMT
Been banned indefinately from all formula 1 activities including driver management!
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Post by nico on Sept 21, 2009 12:22:56 GMT
I would have thought the verdict (guilty or not guilty) was obvious since Renault decided not to contest the charges and Mr Symonds and Mr Braitore resigned.
The penalty however, and the reasons for the verdict, comments in the judgment etc., will be particularly interesting
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 12:25:45 GMT
"http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSLL68659820090921 The Renault team has been handed a two-year suspended ban from the Formula One world championship after admitting to race-fixing, the FIA have confirmed. The French manufacturer had said it would not contest accusations the team ordered Brazilian Nelson Piquet to crash his car into a wall at last year's Singapore Grand Prix so that Spanish team mate Fernando Alonso might win. Former team boss Flavio Briatore was also banned from further involvement in Formula One, including driver management, the FIA said after a meeting of its World Motor Sport Council in Paris. www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/2009/0921/renault1.html
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 12:31:12 GMT
Official: Renault handed suspended ban 21/09/2009 The Renault F1 team has been handed a two-year suspended ban following today's hearing in front of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council. Former team boss Flavio Briatore has been banned from Formula One activities including driver management. The full statement issued by the FIA reads as follows: At an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council held in Paris on 21 September 2009, the ING Renault F1 team (“Renault F1”) admitted that the team had conspired with its driver Nelson Piquet Jr. to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, in breach of the International Sporting Code and F1 Sporting Regulations. Renault F1 stated at the meeting that it had conducted a detailed internal investigation, which found that: (i) Flavio Briatore, Pat Symonds and Nelson Piquet Jr. had conspired to cause the crash; and (ii) no other team member was involved in the conspiracy. The FIA has conducted its own detailed investigation and its findings correspond with those of Renault F1. At the meeting of the World Motor Sport Council, Renault F1 made the following points in mitigation: It had accepted, at the earliest practicable opportunity, that it committed the offences with which it was charged and cooperated fully with the FIA's investigation; It had confirmed that Mr. Briatore and Mr. Symonds were involved in the conspiracy and ensured that they left the team; It apologised unreservedly to the FIA and to the sport for the harm caused by its actions; It committed to paying the costs incurred by the FIA in its investigation; Renault (the parent company, as opposed to Renault F1) committed to making a significant contribution to FIA safety-related projects. Nelson Piquet Jr. also apologised unreservedly to the World Motor Sport Council for his part in the conspiracy. The following decision was taken: The World Motor Sport Council finds that Renault F1 team members Flavio Briatore, Pat Symonds and Nelson Piquet Jr. conspired to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix. The World Motor Sport Council therefore finds Renault F1, which, under article 123 of the International Sporting Code, is responsible for the actions of its employees, in breach of Articles 151(c) and point 2(c) of Chapter IV of Appendix L of the Code, and Articles 3.2, 30.3 and/or 39.1 of the Formula One Sporting Regulations. The World Motor Sport Council considers Renault F1's breaches relating to the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix to be of unparalleled severity. Renault F1's breaches not only compromised the integrity of the sport but also endangered the lives of spectators, officials, other competitors and Nelson Piquet Jr. himself. The World Motor Sport Council considers that offences of this severity merit permanent disqualification from the FIA Formula One World Championship. However, having regard to the points in mitigation mentioned above and in particular the steps taken by Renault F1 to identify and address the failings within its team and condemn the actions of the individuals involved, the WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1's disqualification until the end of the 2011 season. The World Motor Sport Council will only activate this disqualification if Renault F1 is found guilty of a comparable breach during that time. In addition the World Motor Sport Council notes Renault F1's apology and agrees that the team should pay the costs of the investigation. It also accepts the offer of a significant contribution to the FIA's safety work. As regards Mr. Briatore, the World Motor Sport Council declares that, for an unlimited period, the FIA does not intend to sanction any International Event, Championship, Cup, Trophy, Challenge or Series involving Mr. Briatore in any capacity whatsoever, or grant any license to any Team or other entity engaging Mr. Briatore in any capacity whatsoever. It also hereby instructs all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr. Briatore access to any areas under the FIA's jurisdiction. Furthermore, it does not intend to renew any Superlicence granted to any driver who is associated (through a management contract or otherwise) with Mr. Briatore, or any entity or individual associated with Mr. Briatore. In determining that such instructions should be applicable for an unlimited period, the World Motor Sport Council has had regard not only to the severity of the breach in which Mr. Briatore was complicit but also to his actions in continuing to deny his participation in the breach despite all the evidence. As regards Mr. Symonds, the World Motor Sport Council declares that, for a period of five years, the FIA does not intend to sanction any International Event, Championship, Cup, Trophy, Challenge or Series involving Mr. Symonds in any capacity whatsoever, or grant any license to any Team or other entity engaging Mr. Symonds in any capacity whatsoever. It hereby instructs, for a period of five years, all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr. Symonds access to any areas under the FIA's jurisdiction. In determining that such instructions should be effective for a period of five years the World Motor Sport Council has had regard: (i) to Mr. Symonds' acceptance that he took part in the conspiracy; and (ii) to his communication to the meeting of the World Motor Sport Council that it was to his “eternal regret and shame” that he participated in the conspiracy. As regards Mr. Piquet Jr., the World Motor Sport Council confirms the immunity from individual sanctions under the International Sporting Code in relation to this incident, which the FIA had granted to him in exchange for volunteering his evidence. As regards Fernando Alonso, the World Motor Sport Council thanks him for cooperating with the FIA's enquiries and for attending the meeting, and concludes that Mr. Alonso was not in any way involved in Renault F1's breach of the regulations. The World Motor Sport Council would like to thank the Stewards and legal investigation team (in particular Dorothy Cory-Wright of Sidley Austin LLP who conducted the interviews at the Belgian Grand Prix). The full reasons for this decision, in addition to a complete recording of the proceedings before the World Motor Sport Council, will be made available shortly. www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=39059
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Sept 21, 2009 12:33:45 GMT
I would have thought the verdict (guilty or not guilty) was obvious since Renault decided not to contest the charges and Mr Symonds and Mr Braitore resigned. The penalty however, and the reasons for the verdict, comments in the judgment etc., will be particularly interestingVery interesting indeed. Nico, Will you be representing Mr Piquet?
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 12:38:06 GMT
Offhand, I would have thought that whether or not others at Renault "knew" what he was doing, they should be held responsible - Just as football clubs are held responsible (points deducted, etc) for what their board does. And ditto for companies. But of course, it's not my world. So when's the QPR statement coming? Even if just to acknowledge this big item of news?
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Post by eskey8 on Sept 21, 2009 12:39:29 GMT
So does this mean flabio has to sell or are we safe?
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Post by cpr on Sept 21, 2009 12:39:51 GMT
One could argue that the actual perpetrator (sp) has got off scott free.
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Post by cpr on Sept 21, 2009 12:42:51 GMT
So does this mean flabio has to sell or are we safe? Because of the actual ban, he fails the "fit and proper person" test and should be forced to seel his shares. There is also the affect this has on our sponsors, all of which, I believe, he brought in. Do they continue to invest in QPR or were they doing it to help Briatore? Things can only get worse in my opinion.
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Post by eskey8 on Sept 21, 2009 12:49:56 GMT
Not great news, still at least we still have GP to negotiate someone to buy his shares!!
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Post by gregusmeus on Sept 21, 2009 12:51:27 GMT
Hard to see how he can escape falling foul of the Fit & Proper test. Though I fail to see how it can be bad news if Flavio goes. Mittal and/or Bernie can pick up his shares and who knows, maybe we'll have a manager who stays until the end of the season.
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Post by cpr on Sept 21, 2009 12:52:50 GMT
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 12:53:24 GMT
But Ecclestone was supposedly brought in by Briatore. QPR and football are not his focus.
And Mittal: Well we had the Telegraph story. But if he were interested, wouldn't he have bought out already? Anyway let's hope.
I imagine that the sponsors are tied up for the terms of the deal
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Sept 21, 2009 12:55:47 GMT
According to BBC News24 Flavio's drivers (management) are also banned until they get out of their contracts. Mark Webber is one of them! I reckon there's an eloquence of lawyers are putting down deposits on yachts and Aston Martins as we speak. I do hope you are getting some of the action Nico.
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 12:59:47 GMT
Mirror Crashgate: Renault owner Flavio Briatore slapped with lifetime F! ban By Byron Young 21/09/2009 Flavio Briatore has been given a lifetime ban from world motorsport by Crashgate judges in Paris. The 59-year-old was driven out of motor racing in the harshest decision against an individual in the sport’s history. His influence ran to two key series, close to F1 and several leading drivers including Fernando Alonso and Mark Webber. He will be particularly stung by the ban on driver management which earned him at least £4m a year.
His Renault salary was thought to be £2m. The French car giant, Renault, must be relieved to have escaped with a two-year suspended ban despite admitting causing a deliberate crash in Singapore. The team’s engineering director Pat Symonds has been banned for five years. He was said to have planned the detail of the "accident", including which corner Nelson Piquet should crashed on to fix the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix so teammate Alonso could win. Bernie Ecclestone earlier had called for a “balanced” decision and he appears to have got it. Renault have got off lightly but that will please all within the heart of the sport because the upper management of the car company and even the rank and file who stood to lose their jobs over any kind of ban, were not involved in events in the sport’s night race. But they have been told to meet the costs of the investigation ad hearing, expected to run to £400,000. www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/09/21/crashgate-renault-owner-flavio-briatore-slapped-with-lifetime-f-ban-115875-21690293/
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Post by cpr on Sept 21, 2009 13:01:00 GMT
According to BBC News24 Flavio's drivers (management) are also banned until they get out of their contracts. Mark Webber is one of them! I reckon there's an eloquence of lawyers are putting down deposits on yachts and Aston Martins as we speak. I do hope you are getting some of the action Nico. He manages at least four drivers, including Piquet & Alonso!
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 13:02:32 GMT
If he stays at QPR, he may have to terminate Gianni and take his salary (and loan)
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Sept 21, 2009 13:02:07 GMT
Bernie got the balance he wanted: Renault and their money still in F1. Mosely got what he wanted: Flavio banned.
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Post by nico on Sept 21, 2009 13:02:50 GMT
The decision in full www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wmsc/2009/Pages/wmsc_210909.aspxAnd the quite unambiguous and highly critical passage dealing with Flavio: As regards Mr. Briatore, the World Motor Sport Council declares that, for an unlimited period, the FIA does not intend to sanction any International Event, Championship, Cup, Trophy, Challenge or Series involving Mr. Briatore in any capacity whatsoever, or grant any license to any Team or other entity engaging Mr. Briatore in any capacity whatsoever. It also hereby instructs all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr. Briatore access to any areas under the FIA’s jurisdiction. Furthermore, it does not intend to renew any Superlicence granted to any driver who is associated (through a management contract or otherwise) with Mr. Briatore, or any entity or individual associated with Mr. Briatore. In determining that such instructions should be applicable for an unlimited period, the World Motor Sport Council has had regard not only to the severity of the breach in which Mr. Briatore was complicit but also to his actions in continuing to deny his participation in the breach despite all the evidence.
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 13:03:59 GMT
And Renault accept the decision! Renault reacts to WMSC decision 21/09/2009 Following the decision of the World Motor Sport Council concerning the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, Renault F1 Team president Bernard Rey issued the following statement to the media: "We are very sad to find ourselves in front of the Word Motor Sport Council today. "By way of background, as a result of our own enquiries, we informed the FIA last week that we would not defend the charges and we accepted our responsibilities in relation to the incident in Singapore and we immediately took appropriate action inside the team. "Today, we fully accept the decision of the Council. We apologize unreservedly to the F1 community in relation to this unacceptable behaviour. We sincerely hope that we can soon put this matter behind us and focus constructively on the future. We will issue further information in the next few days." www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=39060
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 21, 2009 13:18:25 GMT
F1: Official Nelson Piquet Statement: 'I Bitterly Regret My Actions' I am relieved that the FIA investigation has now been concluded. Those now running the Renault F1 Team took the decision, as I did, that it is better that the truth be known and accept the consequences. The most positive thing to come from bringing this to the attention of the FIA is that nothing like it will ever happen again. I bitterly regret my actions to follow the orders I was given. I wish every day that I had not done it. I don’t know how far my explanation will go to making people understand because for many being a racing driver is an amazing privilege, as it was for me. All I can tell you is that my situation at Renault turned into a nightmare. Having dreamed of being a Formula One driver and having worked so hard to get there, I found myself at the mercy of Mr Briatore. His true character, which had previously only been known to those he had treated like this in the past, is now known. Mr Briatore was my manager as well as the team boss, he had my future in his hands but he cared nothing for it. By the time of the Singapore GP he had isolated me and driven me to the lowest point I had ever reached in my life. Now that I am out of that situation I cannot believe that I agreed to the plan, but when it was put to me I felt that I was in no position to refuse. Listening now to Mr Briatore’s reaction to my crash and hearing the comments he has made to the press over the last two weeks it is clear to me that I was simply being used by him then to be discarded and left to ridicule. I have had to learn some very difficult lessons over the last 12 months and reconsider what is valuable in life. What has not changed is my love for Formula One and hunger to race again. I realise that I have to start my career from zero. I can only hope that a team will recognise how badly I was stifled at Renault and give me an opportunity to show what I promised in my career in F3 and GP2. What can be assured is that there will be no driver in Formula One as determined as me to prove myself. As my final words on this matter, I would like to repeat that I am so sorry to those who work in Formula One (including the many good people at Renault) the fans and the governing body. I do not expect this to be forgiven or forgotten but at least now people can draw their conclusions based upon what really happened. www.paddocktalk.com/news/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=119876&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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Post by cpr on Sept 21, 2009 13:33:29 GMT
And that my friends, is how you get off scott free.
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