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Post by QPR Report on Sept 1, 2009 0:21:53 GMT
Mail - Race-fix claim is so harmful to Formula One, says Bernie Ecclestone By Jonathan McEvoy In the dark: Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone Bernie Ecclestone has spoke of the damage caused to Formula One by the 'race-fixing' scandal, which appears certain to cost his business partner Flavio Briatore his job if Renault are found guilty of cheating in last September's Singapore Grand Prix. Briatore, the Renault team principal, who co-owns QPR football club along with Ecclestone, will learn his fate following an investigation by the FIA, into whether he ordered his driver Nelson Piquet to crash his car to help team-mate Fernando Alonso win the race. He may, however, be pushed by the Renault board sooner. Ecclestone, F1's commercial supremo, said: 'It is not good for the sport. It all seems very strange to me but I do not know the truth. 'You hear of these things happening with jockeys and in football and it has led to all sorts of trouble. 'People seem to be spending money betting on F1 which is good, but they will not want to do that if they think something is wrong with the result.' Sportsmail understands from sources close to the FIA that: * The investigation was launched after Piquet and his father Nelson Piquet Snr, the triple world champion, alleged the Singapore race had been fixed. They decided to blow the whistle several weeks ago, following Piquet Jnr's sacking by Renault. * The trail could lead all the way up to Briatore, though it is unlikely he could have affected the crash and consequent advantage it brought Alonso without the involvement of one or several senior engineers; * The FIA will consider whether Alonso was aware of the suspected scam. If so, the double world champion is likely to face a ban. Renault, who might even by prompted by the furore to quit grand prix racing altogether, last night declined to deny the allegations - more than 24 hours after news of the investigation leaked out. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-1210287/Race-fix-claim-harmful-Formula-One-says-Bernie-Ecclestone.html#ixzz0PoGSJHM9
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 1, 2009 7:32:52 GMT
Ecclestone speaks as 'crash-gate' erupts Racing series F1 Date 2009-09-01 By Motorsport.com/GMM Amid the deafening silence from the Renault and Piquet camps, F1 chief executive Bernie Ecclestone went on an overnight media offensive as his sport's latest scandal erupted. "It is not good for the sport. It all seems very strange to me but I do not know the truth, I have no idea," said the 78-year-old, who gave quotes and seemingly also information to multiple British newspapers. The new reports indicate that the source of the accusation is Nelson Piquet and his famous father and namesake, furious that the 23-year-old driver was ousted by the French team after the Hungarian Grand Prix last month. It is also suggested that the saga, which might go all the way to a hearing of the World Motor Sport Council, could prompt Renault to quit the sport no matter the outcome and end Flavio Briatore's F1 career. "I think it will piss off Renault," Ecclestone said. "Them leaving the sport is a danger, obviously." Ecclestone is a friend and confidante of the irascible Briatore, with whom he owns the London football club Queens Park Rangers. He said the Italian is "well and truly upset". It has been reported that Fernando Alonso may be implicated if he knows anything about Piquet's Singapore crash, and Ecclestone warned that Piquet also risks finding himself in hot water by making such serious accusations. "If it is true, then I would have thought Nelson was in just as much trouble. If I tell you to go and rob a bank and you get caught, you can't say, 'Bernie told me to'," the Briton said. "But it could just be a rumour and Nelson is just pissed off that he has been fired." Ecclestone described Piquet as "an angry young man" and suggested that, no matter what, his F1 career is over. "You can safely say that he's sort of in trouble now. You'd have to wonder what next, wouldn't you?" he said. "All I know is that Flavio is insisting that he knows nothing about it," added Ecclestone, who nonetheless admitted the FIA would likely react strongly if there is any truth to the rumours. The FIA is looking into the claims, but the Paris federation confirmed that an investigation is underway without referring specifically to the Singapore GP nor Piquet or Renault. "It will be difficult to prove," Ecclestone continued. "If there is something on the radio that said, 'Er, Nelson, you'd better crash now', then what the hell can they do? "(But) we would have copies of those conversations and someone would have come forward in the interim," he added. www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=343258&FS=F1
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 1, 2009 7:34:50 GMT
Telegraph Renault stay silent in the face of Singapore race-fixing allegation Renault's silence was deafening on Monday as speculation mounted surrounding allegations that the French team 'fixed’ the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix by allegedly asking driver Nelson Piquet Jnr to crash, precipitating a safety-car period which ultimately led to team-mate Fernando Alonso’s victory. By Tom Cary, F1 Correspondent Published: 7:00AM BST 01 Sep 2009 The FIA, Formula One’s governing body, would only confirm that it was looking into “alleged events at a previous world championship race”, but Renault did not deny speculation that it was the subject of that investigation. F1’s commercial rights holder, Bernie Ecclestone, a close friend of Renault team principal Flavio Briatore, told Telegraph Sport that he understood the allegations involved Renault and added that they were “very serious”. “I think it’s important to establish the truth, but the allegations are very serious,” he said. “We’ve never had this in F1 and we don’t want it.” Asked if he thought Renault would be thrown out of the championship if found guilty, Ecclestone said: “I really don’t know. I don’t know yet whether they have analysed all the questions and spoken to all the relevant people. “When they have done that I suppose they will decide whether it is something that ought to go to the World Motor Sport Council.” Piquet crashed on lap 14 of the Singapore Grand Prix, two laps after Alonso had made an extremely early pit-stop, prompting a safety-car period. Alonso went on to win his first race of the season. Piquet was dropped by Renault last month for not fulfilling contractual commitments and has since been outspoken in his criticism of Briatore, describing the Italian as his “executioner”. “The conditions I’ve had to deal with during the last two years have been very strange,” Piquet wrote on his website. “There are incidents that I can hardly believe occurred myself.” He claimed: “On numerous occasions, 15 minutes before qualifying and races, my team boss [Briatore] would threaten me, telling me if I didn’t get a good result, he had another driver ready to put in my place.” It is understood that either Piquet or his father, three-time world champion Nelson Piquet Snr, or both have submitted witness statements to prompt the investigation. Ecclestone added that he did not believe there would be any concrete evidence to implicate the team. “Obviously anything could happen and anyone could be involved. But until they have got some ------ strong evidence... well, I can’t imagine how they could ever have any evidence, even if it were true. “Unless somebody called over the radio and said 'Please crash on the next lap’ I don’t know what evidence they could have. We would have copies of those conversations and someone would have come forward in the interim.” It is understood that the FIA and independent specialists are going through telemetry and radio communications, as well as interviewing Renault team members, to see whether there is any corroborative evidence. The implications for Renault and Briatore, if found guilty, could not be more serious. Like rugby union’s 'Bloodgate’ scandal, these allegations appear to suggest pre-meditated cheating of a sporting nature. Unlike 'Bloodgate’, it would involve risking the life of the driver concerned and any number of innocent bystanders, meaning criminal proceedings could potentially be brought. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/renault/6118816/Renault-stay-silent-in-the-face-of-Singapore-race-fixing-allegation.html
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 1, 2009 7:36:20 GMT
Guardian - Renault may quit Formula One over new cheating claim• TV network claims Piquet was told to crash in Singapore • Bernie Ecclestone says Renault chief is 'well and truly upset'Maurice Hamilton guardian.co.uk, Monday 31 August 2009 The FIA examination of last year's Singapore grand prix could lead to Renault quitting Formula One if their team is found guilty of interfering with the result of the floodlit race's inaugural running. Although not mentioning Renault by name, the sport's governing body is likely to take a closer look at the race following the acquisition of fresh evidence. During the broadcast of Sunday's Belgian grand prix, the Brazilian network Globo TV reportedly said it had received information that Nelson Piquet Jr had been asked to crash on purpose and trigger the sequence of events that led to his team‑mate, Fernando Alonso, moving from the back to the front of the field and scoring a win that went against form in the previous 14 races. A spokeswoman for the ING Renault F1 Team said today that there would be no comment. Renault have been at the forefront of rumours that they would be the next to pull out of F1 following the withdrawal of Honda and BMW. The French manufacturer was considering quitting last year but Alonso's win in Singapore, and victory at the next race in Japan, secured the team's short-term future. Renault's best finish this year has been fifth place in Spain, an unsatisfactory result that could accelerate the decision to pull out should an inquiry find against the British-based team. If the FIA feels there is a case to answer, Renault could be called before the World Motor Sport Council and, if found guilty, face a heavy fine or even expulsion. Bernie Ecclestone, the Formula One commercial rights-holder told the Times that he feared Renault could leave the sport as a result of the allegations. Ecclestone said that Flavio Briatore, the Renault team principal, had told him that he knows nothing about the claims that have been made. Ecclestone also described the Italian as "well and truly upset", and added that Piquet could be finished as a Formula One driver. "This is not the sort of thing we need at the moment," said Ecclestone. "I think it will piss off Renault for a start. Them leaving the sport is a danger, obviously. I mean, I hope that it isn't like that, but it's the sort of thing that might happen." "What I know, I can't say, to be honest with you. All I know is that Flavio is insisting that he knows nothing about it. I think the FIA are looking into everything. They are trying to find out the reality. I suppose they would be upset if they found out that what people are assuming is true, is in fact true, I suppose." When Piquet crashed on the 14th of 61 laps and sprayed debris across the track, the incident prompted the appearance of the safety car and caused every team bar Renault to immediately rethink their pit-stop strategy. A period of slow laps behind the safety car is the ideal time to refuel without losing an excessive amount of time. Renault were the exception because Alonso had refuelled three laps before Piquet's crash and rejoined at the back of the field. As the 18 cars running ahead of the former world champion made their pit stops, Alonso moved to the front. The question is: was Piquet ordered to crash or was the accident a handy coincidence for a team under pressure to score their first win of 2008? If it was the former, then Piquet was either incompetent or extremely brave. The heavy collision with the concrete wall lining the street circuit destroyed the right-hand side of the Renault and risked injury. Had Piquet wished to prompt the safety car, it would only have required a slightly more dramatic version of the incident employed by Michael Schumacher in 2005 when he parked his Ferrari against the barrier in Monte Carlo and hampered the progress of rivals during the closing minutes of qualifying. Schumacher was demoted to the back of the grid. A spokesmen for Piquet said he would be making no comment. The investigation comes less than two weeks after an angry Piquet referred to Flavio Briatore as his "executioner" after being sacked by the boss of Renault F1 and replaced by the Frenchman Romain Grosjean. Ferrari were accused of interfering with the result of the 2002 Austrian grand prix when Rubens Barrichello was ordered to move over in the final 100 metres and allow Schumacher to win. Ferrari were not reprimanded but the FIA banned team orders. The Singapore incident, if deliberate, is much more serious due to the risk of debris injuring other drivers and, possibly, spectators. www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/31/renault-f1-singapore-gp-nelson-piquet-junior
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Post by haqpr1963 on Sept 1, 2009 17:24:50 GMT
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Sept 1, 2009 17:39:05 GMT
Perhaps then he could order Gianni to do the same, (metaphorically)? Do it for the team Gianni
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Post by scottjones on Sept 1, 2009 17:49:18 GMT
[ QPR Report is now editing ZRanger's statement which Scott is quoting. But if Scott would prefer that the quote be left, I'd put it back. i'm sorry but that is just plain sick. Indeed, comments like that combined with personal abuse which is getting more and more is rapidly going against what I think Mike set this site up for. More and more this is turning into indyrs. If comments like that continue you'll put people off from joining and posting and this place will be as dead as indyrs. Disgusting comment
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Post by haqpr1963 on Sept 1, 2009 17:54:54 GMT
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 1, 2009 17:55:51 GMT
Perhaps then he could order Gianni to drive his merc over the side of the westway? Do it for the team Gianni i'm sorry but that is just plain sick. Indeed, comments like that combined with personal abuse which is getting more and more is rapidly going against what I think Mike set this site up for. More and more this is turning into indyrs. If comments like that continue you'll put people off from joining and posting and this place will be as dead as indyrs. Disgusting comment To repeat/quote what I posted on the other thread early this morning "Paladini and QPR" "Pete - and anyone else - is of course very welcome to post here. And like all posters on this site, should neither be insulted; nor insult others. "Disagree without being disagreeable" as I said when I started this site" qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6388 Now obviously a crack is just a crack. But I'd say the basic rule: If someone said it about you or someone you like, would you be insulted/offended or think it went beyond the pale. And within those parameters, there are a lot of questions that can be asked. And a lot of comments that can be made. And if people post things that you disagree with; or make wild - even hysterical - accusations, absolutely respond/refute/expose, or whatever. Thanks
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Post by scottjones on Sept 1, 2009 18:02:01 GMT
Mike, do you know what the westway is? He's talking about the bloke killing himself FFS
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Post by qblockpete on Sept 1, 2009 18:04:40 GMT
well, the standards of this messageboard are stooping really low. I'm not surprised qpr-report has not deleted the post
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Post by cpr on Sept 1, 2009 18:06:35 GMT
Did Piquet kill himself? Possibly OTT but on both counts.
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 1, 2009 18:15:50 GMT
well, the standards of this messageboard are stooping really low. I'm not surprised qpr-report has not deleted the post That's a double negative, Pete. Firstly I only returned to my computer ten minutes ago, and saw Scott's comments which were a fair one . And I reject the original crack. (and which you may notice I never indulge in myself - Just as I never call you anti-QPR; and I never use terms such as fantasy Island or "Paladini's Poodles" etc which I've seen others used. Basically my general philosophy of moderating is that, within broad limiits, people should moderate themselves. And if they say something, and it's beyond the pale, others should see that they said that. (As opposed to just deleting). But you might well be right in this case. I don't want to be accused of "censorship." But certainly I'm not going to let go on this site stuff, just because I've seen "bad" stuff on other sites permissable. So yes an edit is probably in order.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Sept 1, 2009 18:16:10 GMT
I apologise. It was in jest. I will amend so as not to offend or cause distress.
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Post by Markqpr on Sept 1, 2009 18:42:04 GMT
Perhaps then he could order Gianni to do the same, (metaphorically)? Do it for the team Gianni Zed - NO! You are a very naughty boy (I saw the original post) Seriously it was comments of that nature towards Thomson that first made me question who I was standing next to, shoulder to shoulder, as QPR. I know Zed is having a joke and is in no way serious but the sentiment is offensive to some, especially friends and family of Gianni and they in no way deserve to see that. This board is a respite from the type of comments that annoy/upset me and long may it continue. If we could just knock the board wars on the head as well, that would be lovely-jubbly!
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 1, 2009 18:52:35 GMT
Black dot to ZRanger for his original crack. Gold star to ZRanger for his edit and apology.
(And how many times have messageboard readers seen things said - often not even made in jest -for which no apology was ever offered)
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Post by klr on Sept 1, 2009 19:09:23 GMT
This is a fantastic messageboard & the Gentleman in question has nothing to apologise especially to characters as odious as Scott Jones a character who saw fit to "joke" about a real life plane crash in which a 10 year old boy was seriously injured. Put your tongue back in your mouth Mr Jones.
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Post by londonranger on Sept 1, 2009 19:34:39 GMT
Zed is one of the most knowledgeable kindest funniest members of this board. I read it as a funny crack and not meant to be taken seriously. I cannot imagine any member really wishing anyone to drive their car to their death, literally. Unless a serial killer, or a mass murderer.
Im sure zed when you wrote it that it would be taken as a jest, the sort of thing one might say to a mate after a couple, but it has a deeper meaning. It represents all of our frustrations with a cohort of billionaires taking over the team and making instead of a promise of their wealth building us to a top team
Instead, we were conned. They made the team into the state it is in today, and all our dreams were killed.
That is the death,that Zed is alluding to. For myself, I feel that deeply.
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Post by klr on Sept 1, 2009 19:42:38 GMT
Zed is a tremendous character, I defend him against these slurs / witchhunt from these "characters" who arent in the position to be having a pop at such a fantastic & kind hearted Gentleman. This is a disgrace & I will not have this fine mans name besmirched by such a sick & twisted campaign, its a disgrace! a F** cking Disgrace!
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 1, 2009 19:51:02 GMT
The way I see it: Zed made a crack which wasn't in the greatest taste. Obviously he didn't mean it literally. And no one would have taken it as such. He took the high road (if I can still that use that phrase!) and apologized so that there could be no miscontruing.
"Untoward" things being said on a messageboard are scarcely a rarity. I don't think we need to elaborate. An apology is a rarity.
And just as this messageboard seeks to be different, Zed's apology was in complete keeping with this board. And I thank him.
What others do is up to them.
As I said, the apology stood out because it's such a rarity.
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Post by scottjones on Sept 1, 2009 19:53:36 GMT
I thank Z and applaud him for apologising if it was taken wrongly by others.
I've no issues with Z and fair play to him for responding.
Onwards and Upwards
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 2, 2009 7:26:21 GMT
Express OTHER SPORTRENAULT RACE-F IX DENIAL TO FIA ALONSO: Questioned Wednesday September 2,2009 By Bob McKenzie Have your say(0) RENAULT executives have already given evidence to an FIA team denying they were involved in fixing a race in Singapore. A lawyer led the group which swooped on Renault at the Belgian Grand Prix at the weekend, interviewing team principal Flavio Briatore and his director of engineering Pat Symonds. Double world champion Fernando Alonso and several other engineering staff were also questioned about the incident at the race nearly a year ago. Data and transmission recordings have been removed for examination, and if evidence is found the FIA will order a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council before the next Singapore race on September 27. Renault stand accused – almost certainly by Nelson Piquet jnr, who was dropped a month ago – of ordering the Brazilian to crash soon after Alonso’s very early pit-stop in F1’s first night race. The accident brought out the safety car, which compromised other team strategies – a key factor in Alonso’s win. Briatore has told F1 powerbroker Bernie Ecclestone that he knows nothing of such an order and is confident the team is innocent. Ferrari’s Felipe Massa has been cleared to begin his return to fitness after examinations in Miami from one of the best motorsport injury specialists, Steve Olvey. Massa, hit by a heavy metal spring during qualifying in Hungary, was in a coma but is now aiming for a comeback on October 18 at the Brazilian Grand Prix. “I’m very happy with the outcome of the exams,” said Massa. “After the small surgery that I will have done in the next few days I can finally start working out a little in the gym and then I can start some kart training. www.express.co.uk/othersport/view/124455/Renault-race-f-8202-ix-denial-to-FIA
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Post by QPR Report on Sept 2, 2009 9:16:14 GMT
Planet F1 - FIA widens Singapore GP investigation Wednesday 2nd September 2009 It has emerged that the FIA is investigating "other issues above and beyond" Fernando Alonso's victory at last year's Singapore Grand Prix. Double World Champion Alonso won the race under floodlights after his then team-mate Nelson Piquet crashed on lap 14 which resulted in the deployment of the Safety Car. Brazilian network Globo TV reportedly claimed that it had been given information that Piquet, who was last month sacked by Renault, had been asked to crash on purpose. The Independent reports that 'technical chief Pat Symonds and Fernando Alonso were among senior Renault figures interviewed more than once by FIA representatives in Belgium' over the weekend. "There were interviews going on all weekend at Spa-Francorchamps, and other issues above and beyond Singapore are also to be looked at," a source told the paper. Piquet jr launched a scathing attack on Flavio Briatore following his axing, calling the Renault team boss his "executioner". 'On numerous occasions, fifteen minutes before qualifying and races, my manager and team boss (Briatore) would threaten me, telling me if I didn't get a good result, he had another driver ready to put in my place,' he said in a statement. www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5531424,00.html
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