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Post by QPR Report on Nov 26, 2008 12:49:58 GMT
Now how would this affect QPR, with our current players? Football League - CLUBS CONSIDER HOME GROWN RULEFootball League clubs are to consider the introduction of a 'Home Grown Players' rule at the forthcoming meeting of clubs at Derby County on December 18. Clubs will vote in a specially arranged EGM, with the changes, if approved, set to take effect from the beginning of next season. In announcing the proposals Football League Chairman, Lord Mawhinney, said, "We believe it is time for The Football League to make a clear and unequivocal statement of intent about the importance of developing young players in the domestic game." The new rule would require at least four players from clubs' sixteen man matchday squads to have been registered domestically, for a minimum of three seasons, prior to their 21st birthday. Mawhinney said, "The aim is to establish this principle by setting a threshold that our clubs can accommodate and then to consider raising that level over time. "It is important we demonstrate that, as a body of clubs, our commitment to youth development is total," he continued. "Therefore, not only are we pulling out all the stops to develop these young players in the first place, we are also ensuring that they have the opportunity to show their talent in the first team. "Fourteen of the 23-man England squad that beat Germany in Berlin, last week, were developed by youth development programmes at Football League clubs. Looking ahead, we want to increase that proportion even further." The proposal, which is being put forward by The Football League Board of Directors, is in line with the approach favoured by UEFA rather than the '6+5' approach being proposed by FIFA. The Board has concerns over the legality of the latter in European law. This means that players will be considered as 'home grown' regardless of their nationality. Mawhinney believes the adoption of a 'Home Grown Players' rule will send out a positive message to supporters and the wider game. He said, "Local fans watching locally developed players at their local club is at the very heart of what The Football League is all about. I believe that by introducing this rule League clubs, once again, will be taking a lead that others will want to follow." Young players schooled at Football League clubs are making a growing contribution to the national team. Around half of the players chosen to represent England - across all age groups - in the most recent round of international matches were developed, in full or in part, at League clubs. www.football-league.co.uk/page/News/FLNewsDetail/0,,10794~1466380,00.html |
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Post by grumpyolde on Nov 26, 2008 14:16:42 GMT
If this rule adopted it will really put the cat amongst the pidgeons. Just have a good look at the playing staff at QPR.Of those listed in the first team squad only Angelo Balanta would comply with the rule and in the rest of the proffesional staff only Danny Maguire would be eligable,( Ramone Rose and Chris Arthur are both out on loan). This would be the price to pay for years of not bringing through our own home grown talent.
Could you imagine this scenario - flav picks his must play foreign players, five midfielders, plus the home grown pro's, another four mid fielders. I suppose you would pick a goalkeeper.Would you play a forward or a defender to make up the team.Also what would you do if some of the four home lads want to leave because they are not getting any games here.
Should be very interesting.I wonder if these lads could be more valuable to QPR than Ronaldo, Kaka or John Terry
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Post by QPR Report on Dec 1, 2008 8:19:01 GMT
From Today's Times by Martin Samuel Quota of self-interest At first glance, there would seem to be few negatives in the plan announced by Lord Mawhinney, chairman of the Football League, to introduce quotas of four home-grown players in every match-day 16, starting next season. Look closer, though, and wonder. The rule would make no impression at all on clubs in the two lowest divisions, who already comply, and would affect only a handful of clubs in the Coca-Cola Championship, mainly those who have just arrived from the Barclays Premier League or have ambitions to join it. So Reading have a lot of foreign players, as do Queens Park Rangers. The rest, not so much. The starting team put out by Wolverhampton Wanderers, the league leaders, against Sheffield United six days ago had seven Englishmen, two Irishmen and two Scotsmen; United had seven Englishmen, two Irishmen and one each from Scotland and Wales. Not a player from outside Great Britain and Ireland in either starting lineup. The Football League is rightly proud that 14 of the 23 England players in Berlin to play Germany last month were products of Football League clubs. Even a sure-fire future England player, Jack Wilshere, spent his earliest years at Luton Town before moving into Arsenal’s academy system. So because no real problem exists, is this whole scheme not more grandstanding from a politician keen to attach his name to a populist cause and to score a point off the Premier League, which opposes the quota system? In almost every area of Mawhinney’s jurisdiction his regulation will be meaningless. “We believe it is time for the Football League to make an unequivocal statement,” Mawhinney said. For “the Football League”, read “me”. www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/martin_samuel/article5263850.ece |
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Post by cpr on Dec 1, 2008 10:39:41 GMT
I would be inclined to agree with the Times regarding the politics of this. However, their analogy is not really correct is it? Did the teams mentioned comply wih the rule? "The new rule would require at least four players from clubs' sixteen man matchday squads to have been registered domestically, for a minimum of three seasons, prior to their 21st birthday." Ah, perhaps it does, reading it again they do not necessarily have to come from your own club I guess. Never mind, just having my own debate, whilst I type......  |
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Post by grumpyolde on Dec 1, 2008 14:23:02 GMT
My interpretation of "home grown players" is somebody who has been developed in your own youth system. The fact that they have to be registered for a minimum of three years before the age of twentyone re-enforces that concept.
The whole purpose of the rule is to encourage clubs to develop as much local talent as they can. This would be to the benefit of both the club and the England national team. There is no value in including transfered players into the equation when the whole point of the exercise is to bring on as many young English boys ( or foreigners if at the academy ) as possible.
If you look at the entire QPR first team squad only one player would possibly fit the requirements of the new rules i.e. Angelo Balanta No other player was signed before their twentyfirst birthday. Only three others could comply if promoted to the first team. They are Danny Maguire, Chris Arthur and Ramone Rose.
The point I was making in my earlier post was, that if this rule is implemented those four players would become extremely valuable to QPR. I also questioned if the club realise this fact because of their insistance of playing someone who is completely out of form ( Parejo )
,possibly at the expense of bringing on some of our "home grown" and the likelyhood that they would do a better job.
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Post by cpr on Dec 1, 2008 15:11:53 GMT
Agree with you grumpyolde,I remember all the hype about the youth setup from FB when he came in. Said and done nothing about it since. We need an Academy, not a centre of excellence to compete, especially in London. Even Brizzle have an academy ffs!
To my knowledge, correct me if I am wrong, there is not a covered (indoor) playing surface at Harlington. This was supposedly top of the agenda towards getting academy status back.
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Post by grumpyolde on Dec 1, 2008 17:38:43 GMT
CPR you are not wrong regarding the indoor facilities at Harlington. No covered pitches of any sort, but there is an artificial all weather pitch available at the complex.In fairness to the new regime they have made a number of significant improvements at the training ground, an example being the quality of the playing surfaces being very much better etc.
Any other improvements will be for the benefit of future youth prospects and of course the incumbent first team squad who also train there.
My concern is that after many lean years of producing very few "home growns" we have two outstanding prospects in Balanta and Maguire. It would be sad indeed if they were neglected in the interest of moderate foreign loan players who will not be the long term futre of the club anyway.
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Post by QPR Report on Dec 14, 2008 8:47:29 GMT
And reminder this is coming up this week (December 18 and if adopted, will be from start of next season) BBC Gossip "Football League clubs will vote on a quota system for home-grown players at an extraordinary general meeting this week. (Mail on Sunday) " Daily Mail Football League call for plan to boost the home front By Andrew Warshaw
Football League clubs will make the first serious attempt to limit the foreign invasion of English football when clubs vote next week on the introduction of quotas for home-grown players. The far-reaching move, expected to be ratified by a large majority, will almost certainly take effect from next season. The plan, the brainchild of Football League chairman Lord Mawhinney, goes before an extraordinary general meeting at Derby's Pride Park on Thursday. It would require clubs to include at least four home-grown players in every 16-member match-day squad, though that limit could increase in future years. Ipswich chairman David Sheepshanks, a member of the Football League board, said: 'Overseas players have brought a lot to the English game and this may not seem an arduous change, but it's a vital start.' www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1094529/Football-League-plan-boost-home-front.html |
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Post by grumpyolde on Dec 14, 2008 12:49:51 GMT
Some form of this legislation will be passed sooner or later, if not at the forthcoming meeting certainly at some time in the near future.
I for one welcome this move. It will help the development of English players and indeed give the clubs back some of their individual identities.
How much more satisfactory must it be to see your team being successful with a contingent of players we can really call "our own ".
As I pointed out in an earlier post QPR have only four young pro's who conform to the suggested qualifications at present. They should be looked after and brought on as a matter of some urgency, not having their progress held up to accomodate some ordinary foreign loan players who certainly are not going to be the future of the club.
With regard to my last point at least Sousa seems to be picking the team on merit.
Yet the numbers of players on loan in the league must be the highest since the second world war when people were not allowed to travel and pro footballers turned out for any club near to where they were posted in the forces.
Perhaps we may get back to the point were the cubs felt part of the " family ".
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Post by QPR Report on Dec 18, 2008 7:33:21 GMT
OK...It's today. I don't know if it will help or hurt QPR, but I think it's a great idea for English football.Independent/Andrew Warshaw - League to adopt domestic quotas - Thursday, 18 December 2008 Football League clubs will today pave the way for one of the most radical innovations of recent years when they vote whether to introduce quotas for home-grown players in the three divisions beneath the Premier League. The far-reaching move, expected to be ratified by a large majority of clubs at an extraordinary general meeting at Derby's Pride Park, would almost certainly take effect next season following intensive lobbying by the Football League chairman Lord Mawhinney. If approved, the quota would require clubs to include at least four players "registered domestically for a minimum of three seasons prior to their 21st birthday" in every 16-member match-day squad. It is understood there is general agreement for the quota limit to be raised even further in subsequent seasons. Although the Premier League has resisted any kind of limitations on foreign players, Football League chairmen say a home-grown rule is essential to safeguard academies and reduce mounting salaries. To go through, today's vote needs a majority both of the 72 Football League clubs and of the Championship on its own. The proposal is similar to the Uefa rule which insists on a minimum of eight domestically trained players in every 25-man squad competing in the Champions League and Uefa Cup. Unlike the "six-plus-five" policy championed by world governing body Fifa, the Uefa and Football League systems do not infringe EU laws on freedom of movement since they are based on age and length of player development rather than on nationality. "Overseas players have made a major contribution to English football but there has to be a balance," said the Ipswich chairman, David Sheepshanks. "It is important we enthrone some protection of local identity." Number of squad players who will have to be 'registered domestically for a minimum of three seasons prior to their 21st birthday'. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/league-to-adopt-domestic-quotas-1202166.html
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Dec 18, 2008 12:50:48 GMT
On Offy now www.qpr.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10373~1492350,00.html 'HOME GROWN PLAYERS' RULEPosted on: Thu 18 Dec 2008 Football League Clubs have voted to introduce a 'Home Grown Players' rule, as proposed by The Football League Board, at a specially arranged EGM of Clubs at Derby County. The new rule will come into effect from the beginning of next season. The 'Home Grown Players' rule will require at least four players from Clubs' 16 man matchday squads to be registered domestically, for a minimum of three seasons, prior to their 21st birthday. In welcoming the Club's decision Football League Chairman Lord Mawhinney said: "I would like to compliment Football League Clubs for having the foresight to make changes that will benefit the wider game. "League Clubs are at the forefront of developing young playing talent for the domestic game and are investing more than £40m a season in this important area. "As a result of today's vote, those players being developed will have a greater chance to demonstrate their talent at First Team level." The new rule is in line with the approach favoured by UEFA rather than the '6+5' approach being proposed by FIFA as The League has concerns over the legality of the latter in European law. This means that players will be considered as 'home grown' regardless of their nationality. |
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Post by QPR Report on Dec 18, 2008 13:23:57 GMT
Thanks Of course this may not impact on us, since it's only for the Divisions below the Premiership  |
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Dec 18, 2008 15:52:19 GMT
As this rule doesn't apply to the Premier League i'm not sure that it will affect any clubs at all.
Can anyone think of a team that doesn't include 4 'homegrowns' in their squad?
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Post by grumpyolde on Dec 18, 2008 18:09:40 GMT
zranger, I suggest you read the detail of the new ruling to understand what a " home grown "
player is .
1. Must have been registered with the "home " club for at least 3 years before the age of 21
2. At least 4 of these players must be in each first team squad of 16 players for every game.
Can anyone think of a team that doesn't include 4 homegrows in their squad?
Answer Yes QPR. They dont include any at all who were even at the club before that age.
Just go on the official web site and read the players profiles. None of the present sqad learned their trade at QPR and every one of them joined after they were 21.
I've been banging on for some time now about this shortfall in our own developed players with little response.Perhaps most people don't understand the sgnificance of the legislation.
At the club, in total,are only 5 young pro's who fit this category. J. Cole, A Balanta,D Maguire, R. Rose and C. Arthur
look in more detail,
J. Cole - could play first team football
A Balanta Will be an outstanding player
D Maguire Able enough to play in league football already
R Rose When on loan at Histon couldn't get a start
C Arthur has had to go non league to get games
To play league football at any level you have to be an outstanding player.Non of the present youth team, as well as they are doing in the F A Youth Cup, screams out with quality.
My earlier plea to the club was to recognise just how valuable the very very few young players we do have, who are any good, are going to be for the future.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Dec 18, 2008 18:26:48 GMT
"The 'Home Grown Players' rule will require at least four players from Clubs' 16 man matchday squads to be registered domestically, for a minimum of three seasons, prior to their 21st birthday."
I presumed the above meant registered in this country not necessarily with their current team.
Is that not the case?
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Post by cpr on Dec 18, 2008 18:54:15 GMT
That's how I understood it, otherwise more than half of this division are in trouble, as will be teams relegated from the prem.
Nevertheless I agree with grumpyolde on the youth setup front, something i have also banged on about.
To be fair, I think we would all love to see our own home grown talent coming through.
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Post by grumpyolde on Dec 18, 2008 19:39:29 GMT
Quote from Football League home web page.
The board has concerns over the legality of the '6+5 approach being proposed by FIFA.The Board has concerns over the legality of the latter in european law. This means that players will be considered as 'home grown' regardless of nationality.
Mawwhinney believes the adoption of a 'home grown' players rule will send out a positive message to supporters and the wider game. He said, "Local fans watching locally developed players at their local club is at the very heart of what the Football League is all about".
Reading that statement it would seem the intentention is for clubs to try and rear some of their own. Of course your interpretation could be correct but what would be the point of the new law if it didn't change anything.
Obviously clarification of the league's intent is needed.
Meanwhile the situation has highlighted the sad state of QPR youth football from the recent past.
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