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« Reply #30 on Jul 26, 2009, 4:37pm » | |
I've seen negative. And it comes in more than one form!
And one additional snippet: The stated reason for Sousa's termination was disclosure of Sensitive information : "Paulo's contract was terminated, after he - without authority - divulged highly confidential and sensitive information"
I guess that that means either that others also should be sacked for divulging highly confidential and sensitive information...Or that when "Highly confidential and sensitive information" IS divulged, it is done so with authority
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« Reply #31 on Jul 26, 2009, 5:27pm » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 3:01pm, scottjones wrote:I felt so strongly about this that I actually sent the man a letter, just telling him that most of the fans were behind him
LMFAO
Yes and thats why NO ONE sung his name at games
Yes and thats why EVERYONE coated him off after every game for his tactics.
Honestly LMFAO
I reckon I'd have more joy starting up a song for Devon White than what I could have done for Sousa last season!!
Anyway, you said you were boycotting the club for a year klr so I'll be sure to send you match reports
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Perhaps that's why the club statement was boo'ed by the crowd when the club tried justify it. shabby handling of the affair.
Scott you're too close to some at this club (who are more responsible for its problems than Sousa will ever be) to be credible. If you're happy Sousa's gone then good for you but lets not rewrite history and pretend it was the will of the fans.
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« Reply #32 on Jul 26, 2009, 5:39pm » | |
KLR
like i said, have a happy birthday and i sincerely hope you find some happiness as you really do seem a depressed person currently. As you're boycotting QPR for the season I hope that we have a great one and you'll but a half season ticket later in the year
Report. Sousa thought he was getting the sack (wrongly and rightly) and deffo spouted off to mroe than one fan - he basically hung himself.
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It wasnt the will of the fans, you're right. Personally i'd have been happier if we just fired him in the close season for being rubbish. And if done right most fans would have probably have been happy with that..we could have done a nice " Mr Sousa has moved on, we wish him well, yadda yadda and gere is Stuart Pearce" or something. It was handled badly but doesnt get away from the fact that he wasnt very good.
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« Reply #33 on Jul 26, 2009, 6:26pm » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 5:39pm, scottjones wrote:KLR
like i said, have a happy birthday and i sincerely hope you find some happiness as you really do seem a depressed person currently. As you're boycotting QPR for the season I hope that we have a great one and you'll but a half season ticket later in the year
Report. Sousa thought he was getting the sack (wrongly and rightly) and deffo spouted off to mroe than one fan - he basically hung himself.
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It wasnt the will of the fans, you're right. Personally i'd have been happier if we just fired him in the close season for being rubbish. And if done right most fans would have probably have been happy with that..we could have done a nice " Mr Sousa has moved on, we wish him well, yadda yadda and gere is Stuart Pearce" or something. It was handled badly but doesnt get away from the fact that he wasnt very good. |
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Mr Jones, I've never or would never "Boycott" QPR, so kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth, I will be there at Blackpool, & if I cant make that one, then I will definately be at the Forest.
As for trying to claim some kind of imaginary "Moral Highground" over the whole Sousa affair, well that is just laughable in the extreme & points towards a self delusional complex.
Who are you to say "he wasnt very good" ?? well, I'll take your opinion, I'll take anyones opinion whilst reserving the right to question / ridicule where I see fit.
The whole "Sousa isnt very good" situation seemed to start very early on from certain quarters, too early if you ask me, far from trying to claim the "Moral Highground" if there is any in these internet discussions, the smear campaigns against Sousa amounted to nothing more than a moral quagmire indicitive of the calibre of certain individuals.
He deserved better than that, its not the actual sacking that offended me, it was the manner & sheer vindictiveness & dishonesty of it all, pretty disgraceful behaviour from whoever was responsible, you think that whole episode made our club look good to those on the outside ??! Laughable.
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« Reply #34 on Jul 26, 2009, 6:49pm » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 5:39pm, scottjones wrote:KLR
like i said, have a happy birthday and i sincerely hope you find some happiness as you really do seem a depressed person currently. As you're boycotting QPR for the season I hope that we have a great one and you'll but a half season ticket later in the year
Report. Sousa thought he was getting the sack (wrongly and rightly) and deffo spouted off to mroe than one fan - he basically hung himself.
eusebio
It wasnt the will of the fans, you're right. Personally i'd have been happier if we just fired him in the close season for being rubbish. And if done right most fans would have probably have been happy with that..we could have done a nice " Mr Sousa has moved on, we wish him well, yadda yadda and gere is Stuart Pearce" or something. It was handled badly but doesnt get away from the fact that he wasnt very good. |
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« Reply #35 on Jul 26, 2009, 7:06pm » | |
Okay, stepping up for the bait. KLR, I really don't undertstand how you can feel so strongly about a manager who was clueless in the championship. If your loyalty is to one individual instead of the club, then thats up to you. I keep getting asked to move on, but the longer you keep a pic of the ex manager as your avaitor just shows you are not moving on.
It was you, that said that you had watched 1 game, I think you mentioned it was a 0-0 draw, so good chance it was.
I gave my opinion on what I watched, which do not really differ from others, if you read there reports carefully. You have got a board on here, where posters will agree with you. Eusebio seems stuck on the loyalty issue too, but this is not borne out by what fans saw on the pitch.
KLR, you seem to transfixed and not for turning. Nothing will sway you from having a different opinion. You simply fail to look at the bigger picture. Does it really matter, what I say? Of course it doesn't, because you are stuck with an opinion that won;t change, just as mine will not change on Sousa being far too negative. I think the majority have moved on, its you and one or two others, that don;t wish to.
We will have a far better season 09/10 and for me that would prove a point. All of us wish for a better season, but sometimes it seems to me some have agendas and will quickly stamp on the negative and never comment on the positive.
I will not reply on this thread again, really NO point. But, those are my views.
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« Reply #36 on Jul 26, 2009, 7:17pm » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 7:06pm, qblockpete wrote:Okay, stepping up for the bait. KLR, I really don't undertstand how you can feel so strongly about a manager who was clueless in the championship. If your loyalty is to one individual instead of the club, then thats up to you. I keep getting asked to move on, but the longer you keep a pic of the ex manager as your avaitor just shows you are not moving on.
It was you, that said that you had watched 1 game, I think you mentioned it was a 0-0 draw, so good chance it was.
I gave my opinion on what I watched, which do not really differ from others, if you read there reports carefully. You have got a board on here, where posters will agree with you. Eusebio seems stuck on the loyalty issue too, but this is not borne out by what fans saw on the pitch.
KLR, you seem to transfixed and not for turning. Nothing will sway you from having a different opinion. You simply fail to look at the bigger picture. Does it really matter, what I say? Of course it doesn't, because you are stuck with an opinion that won;t change, just as mine will not change on Sousa being far too negative. I think the majority have moved on, its you and one or two others, that don;t wish to.
We will have a far better season 09/10 and for me that would prove a point. All of us wish for a better season, but sometimes it seems to me some have agendas and will quickly stamp on the negative and never comment on the positive.
I will not reply on this thread again, really NO point. But, those are my views.
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Thanks Pete (without necessarily agreeing).
I'd say that if people on this board agree on this matter, that's probably because that's the broader view out there re the Sousa axing.
As you yourself noted in the past, your views on WATRB re "Sousa Out" (without getting into all of that) were a minority one on WATRB. And various votes on WATRB - totally unscientif - didn't support his ouster.
Now I obviously am not the one to argue with you and Scott and others about how we were playing. And obviously a case could be made for why Sousa wasn't working out. But those are other questions. And the matter of the club's honour and reputation, etc are ones that also need to be figured out.
It's also a fact (I think!) that Sousa' axing hurt the club when it was trying to bring in a new manager. So the issues to consider extend beyond simply how Sousa had done (forget injuries, etc, etc.)
And finally, one can agree or disagree with the question that Sousa should go. And still have grave reservations about the way in which he was axed.
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« Reply #37 on Jul 26, 2009, 7:28pm » | |
You should be defending iain Dowie far more. He was given far less time, yet you don't. Reason is obvious. You and some others see the loan of Lopez as an indication that he would be bringing in his own players, yet you fail to comment on the boring matches, and that is home and away.
History books will show Sousa was given far more time than Dowie, shame you do not defend him in the same way.
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« Reply #38 on Jul 26, 2009, 7:33pm » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 7:28pm, qblockpete wrote:You should be defending iain Dowie far more. He was given far less time, yet you don't. Reason is obvious. You and some others see the loan of Lopez as an indication that he would be bringing in his own players, yet you fail to comment on the boring matches, and that is home and away.
History books will show Sousa was given far more time than Dowie, shame you do not defend him in the same way. |
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OK...
Dowie was an out and out axing (which at the time) and in hindsight, I thought was wrong. (Just as I didn't think too much of the appointment originally.) But there was nothing underhand about. It was Briatore deciding he didn't want him after all (forget anything re team selection matters, which is another debate)
But the Sousa axing - BESIDES the belief that Sousa could/would have made good. It was the way it was done. If Briatore had said: Not happy with the way you've got this team: You're gone. OK. Maybe disagree. But owners call.
As I said. Didn't like the way Sousa was eased out. Just as I didn't like it for Holloway. And I think many many agree with that. Regardless of whether they were not unhappy to see either of them go.
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« Reply #39 on Jul 26, 2009, 7:35pm » | |
So Sousa was sacked for gross misconduct ?
But yet it was leaked in the local paper weeks before he was sacked that he was on his way by "the Insider"
Oh and he also gave the reason that we signed a great bargin in Borrowdale and did not pick him, odd as no one apart from the insider had seen the lad play.
Or was that a fact that you just over look ?
Worst football at Loftus Road, Vauxhall motors ring any bells?
There has been a lot worse football at LR over the years trust me.
For the record our results last season
http://www.englishfootball.info/championship/queensparkrangers/results/
And for the record i said at the time the sacking of Dowie was stupid.
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« Reply #40 on Jul 26, 2009, 7:54pm » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 7:06pm, qblockpete wrote:
Eusebio seems stuck on the loyalty issue too, but this is not borne out by what fans saw on the pitch.
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Frankly the hypocrisy of this statement is beyond the pale. If you search your own board you will find me supporting Dowie and talking about how foolish it was to get rid of him even though I thought he was a poor appointment and I have supported every QPR manager irrelevant of my initial thoughts on their appointment. I've never slagged off managers week in week out on my board in an attempt to destabilise them or had the Q block chanting 442. My loyalty is squarely to this club and what is best for it and the fact that I and others see the ridiculous turnover of managers as hurting it, shows greater compassion for it than banging a drum out of time on a Saturday.
Turning to the flip side of this argument we all know the unwavering supporting you have offered GP irrelevant of his actions to this club. No matter what be falls this club GP has always come up smelling of roses and has continued to take a substantial wage and interest free loans from this club while people he called partners have been cast aside like so much Christmas wrapping and often out of pocket. His poor purchases are legendary and his continual use of the same agencies are remarkable and yet even with the Flavio & Bernie millions we are still left without a credible striker or fullbacks. We are once again fishing in the bargain basement of the transfer market with you lauding to the skies the signing of unknown Argentines & Italians, for Faurlin & Pellicori read Ledesma & Di Carmine. Yet not a word of concern or critique will ever leave your lips for Gianni and his handling of this club after 5 years when a managers weaknesses are lambasted after 5 games. If your loyalty is to this club cut your apron strings from this man and atleast give him the same measure of yourself that you have our managers & players but I suspect you will continue to tell us that you are the uber-fan and your opinion is best.
Please feel free to ignore this posting, god knows I try to ignore yours.
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« Reply #41 on Jul 26, 2009, 7:59pm » | |
Well club leaks go on Finney as you know and i know you know 
Glad to see you back posting on here though. KLR was getting embarasin to read at least I can read more of the same from you.
Pete does bring up a good point about Dowie...more of a disgrace we fired him than Sousa.
As fas as how Sousa went well, we never had to pay him off and personally i'd prefer Magilton and Adel being signed than Sousa and no one.
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« Reply #42 on Jul 26, 2009, 8:13pm » | |
See maybe i am wrong here but you guys can not make your mind up on why sousa was let go jones says gross misconduct
and pete says for poor football?
which one was it?
Also would it be fair to say Dowie was a FB sacking and sousa was a GP one?
Also i thought the Dowie role was not helped as his brother Bob always helps finds the players and so on and well he was not able to do that as that was the role for Gp.
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« Reply #43 on Jul 26, 2009, 8:43pm » | |
Well, theres "Moving On", and sweeping things under the carpet, two seperate things entirely.
And you seemed to have made your mind up pretty early on about Sousa, Peter, infact it seemed that you had made your mind up so early that one would have to say that you are either really perceptive or there was an agenda to be seen to.
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« Reply #44 on Jul 26, 2009, 10:21pm » | |
eusebio, thats the essence of the problem. Fauralin will be a star, mark my words, but has is seen as a Magilton/Gorman buy that makes him okay. As for Pellicori he is perceived as a GP signing (not true) so not viewed so highly. I am accused of not giving Sousa time, but you have written Faurlin off before you have even seen him play. Thats okay.
We are in the championship, not the premiership and it doesn'matter that we have rich owners, because if we bought a big name, the club would be accused of splashing the cash. I don't want to see them break wage barriers. I'm guessing wages in the champiosnhip to be around 10k, you can at least treble that for the premiership. So you would be comfortable with paying someone 30k, because they are a name? Would that unsettle other players who are paid the average? You would like pre-madonnas, because that is what you would get if you went for a premiership player. Ipswich town have shown that in the championship that you cannot always attract top players and they have rich backers and Keane in charge.
As for the Sousa loyalty, I can understand that. In the context of league management he was not given long enough, but to say I was against him from day one is way over the top, as I hit crunch point after Norwich at home, which was disappointing. You will not accept this comment, many fans did not like the negativity but they tend not to post on messageboards. Thats history, we need to move on.
The only moment of the season we showed any real passion, was when we came back from 2-0 behind against Sheffield Wednesday. Funnily enough the other time was at home against Birmingham City. I never saw that passion all season, a result like that would never have happened with Sousa in charge.
Dowie should have more sympathy as he was only given to October, yet it all is abolut Sousa. I know why, its obvious. I just hope the club can have a good season, as it would give some of you less to talk about, as I never see any posts when we actually win games or when we buy a player like Faurlin. Instead of looking on the positive of a faurlin buy, we have to question the terms of the deal or ask whether he will be good enough. That to me just an excuse to be negative and a clear indication that whatever the club do, some will find an angle. I sometimes, wonder if some want the club to do well, as even if we get promoted with flavio, Bernie and Co, some will find a negative to that.
I think we all agree the cost to watch our club is excessive, but I'm guessing where our agreement ends. I don't think I've seen a positive in regards to GP on this board, so the accusers who accuse me of defending are doing exactly the same thing. No middle ground, with many on here and that will not change.
I did say, I would not reply but it is an interesting debate. As long as its discussed without getting personal, I have no problem.
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« Reply #45 on Jul 26, 2009, 10:30pm » | |
eusebio, you write
My loyalty is squarely to this club and what is best for it
So is mine.
I understand your passion, you have to understand mine. We are on opposite sides of the spectrum.
I really do believe the vast majority have moved on and are not waiting for the first slip up to prove a point.
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« Reply #46 on Jul 26, 2009, 10:43pm » | |
Hang on we had one of the highest wage bills last season and maybe only 2nd to B'ham.
And we are paying well over 10k a week to players so too say we have not spent huge amounts of cash is daft.
Look at the accounts that that was before last season.
We have wasted millions.
So to try and say otherwise is not only daft but missing the point.
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« Reply #47 on Jul 26, 2009, 10:51pm » | |
At last we agree
And we are paying well over 10k a week to players so too say we have not spent huge amounts of cash is daft.
Maybe you should tell that to KLR and Eusebio
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« Reply #48 on Jul 26, 2009, 11:02pm » | |
Pete read the post you made above mine again you said we have not paying high wages and i said we are and you agree with me?
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« Reply #49 on Jul 26, 2009, 11:19pm » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 10:21pm, qblockpete wrote:eusebio, thats the essence of the problem. Fauralin will be a star, mark my words, but has is seen as a Magilton/Gorman buy that makes him okay. As for Pellicori he is perceived as a GP signing (not true) so not viewed so highly. I am accused of not giving Sousa time, but you have written Faurlin off before you have even seen him play. Thats okay.
We are in the championship, not the premiership and it doesn'matter that we have rich owners, because if we bought a big name, the club would be accused of splashing the cash. I don't want to see them break wage barriers. I'm guessing wages in the champiosnhip to be around 10k, you can at least treble that for the premiership. So you would be comfortable with paying someone 30k, because they are a name? Would that unsettle other players who are paid the average? You would like pre-madonnas, because that is what you would get if you went for a premiership player. Ipswich town have shown that in the championship that you cannot always attract top players and they have rich backers and Keane in charge.
As for the Sousa loyalty, I can understand that. In the context of league management he was not given long enough, but to say I was against him from day one is way over the top, as I hit crunch point after Norwich at home, which was disappointing. You will not accept this comment, many fans did not like the negativity but they tend not to post on messageboards. Thats history, we need to move on.
The only moment of the season we showed any real passion, was when we came back from 2-0 behind against Sheffield Wednesday. Funnily enough the other time was at home against Birmingham City. I never saw that passion all season, a result like that would never have happened with Sousa in charge.
Dowie should have more sympathy as he was only given to October, yet it all is abolut Sousa. I know why, its obvious. I just hope the club can have a good season, as it would give some of you less to talk about, as I never see any posts when we actually win games or when we buy a player like Faurlin. Instead of looking on the positive of a faurlin buy, we have to question the terms of the deal or ask whether he will be good enough. That to me just an excuse to be negative and a clear indication that whatever the club do, some will find an angle. I sometimes, wonder if some want the club to do well, as even if we get promoted with flavio, Bernie and Co, some will find a negative to that.
I think we all agree the cost to watch our club is excessive, but I'm guessing where our agreement ends. I don't think I've seen a positive in regards to GP on this board, so the accusers who accuse me of defending are doing exactly the same thing. No middle ground, with many on here and that will not change.
I did say, I would not reply but it is an interesting debate. As long as its discussed without getting personal, I have no problem.
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I'll dig out your Ledesma/Parejo will be a star posts one day. Anyway I haven't written off any player, my point is that we had the money to buy and attract good players in a range of positions and wasted the money...who has been responsible for the vast majority of those purchase? And was Faurlin's mother lying when she said his fee was nothing like £3.5m.
As for the prima donnas, isn't that what you accused the current crop of players of being at the end of last season when they kept on losing, Sousa free. The reality is that we've had the resources to sign decent strikers and yet we've not. If other players would have been upset by that well tough, this is a meritocracy. We talked big in the press and we talked big on WATRBs but bought mid-table quality and ended up mid-table.
Sousa had 20 games and Dowie got 15 plus preseason, Dowie got treated poorly but Sousa was treated like crap....the fact that you led the choir very soon after c*ntgate incident suggests the agenda I accused you of at the time and nothing subsequently including the allegation that Sousa asked for a bung, has changed my mind. In the end, if neither Dowie nor Sousa were up to the job I would have accepted their removal but in the end it is my club that has suffered from these ridiculously premature removals.
Finally please find me one negative post you have ever written about GP? I think you'll find that the healthy scepticism of some on this board is not the same as a not wanting the club to succeed. I'm sure you know I wrote many positive posts about the takeover, as well as stating that I thought we'd finish in the playoff last season. The evidence of my eyes is that our club is poorly and destructively run at the moment and we can only hope that we are left with a club to support in the end.
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« Reply #50 on Jul 26, 2009, 11:29pm » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 10:21pm, qblockpete wrote:eusebio, thats the essence of the problem. Fauralin will be a star, mark my words, but has is seen as a Magilton/Gorman buy that makes him okay. As for Pellicori he is perceived as a GP signing (not true) so not viewed so highly. I am accused of not giving Sousa time, but you have written Faurlin off before you have even seen him play. Thats okay.
We are in the championship, not the premiership and it doesn'matter that we have rich owners, because if we bought a big name, the club would be accused of splashing the cash. I don't want to see them break wage barriers. I'm guessing wages in the champiosnhip to be around 10k, you can at least treble that for the premiership. So you would be comfortable with paying someone 30k, because they are a name? Would that unsettle other players who are paid the average? You would like pre-madonnas, because that is what you would get if you went for a premiership player. Ipswich town have shown that in the championship that you cannot always attract top players and they have rich backers and Keane in charge.
As for the Sousa loyalty, I can understand that. In the context of league management he was not given long enough, but to say I was against him from day one is way over the top, as I hit crunch point after Norwich at home, which was disappointing. You will not accept this comment, many fans did not like the negativity but they tend not to post on messageboards. Thats history, we need to move on.
The only moment of the season we showed any real passion, was when we came back from 2-0 behind against Sheffield Wednesday. Funnily enough the other time was at home against Birmingham City. I never saw that passion all season, a result like that would never have happened with Sousa in charge.
Dowie should have more sympathy as he was only given to October, yet it all is abolut Sousa. I know why, its obvious. I just hope the club can have a good season, as it would give some of you less to talk about, as I never see any posts when we actually win games or when we buy a player like Faurlin. Instead of looking on the positive of a faurlin buy, we have to question the terms of the deal or ask whether he will be good enough. That to me just an excuse to be negative and a clear indication that whatever the club do, some will find an angle. I sometimes, wonder if some want the club to do well, as even if we get promoted with flavio, Bernie and Co, some will find a negative to that.
I think we all agree the cost to watch our club is excessive, but I'm guessing where our agreement ends. I don't think I've seen a positive in regards to GP on this board, so the accusers who accuse me of defending are doing exactly the same thing. No middle ground, with many on here and that will not change.
I did say, I would not reply but it is an interesting debate. As long as its discussed without getting personal, I have no problem.
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Why not pass judgment on Fauralin until we have seen him play some games or any other player we have signed for this new season and hope they are not as bad as the shitee we have signed since Briatore took over.
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« Reply #51 on Jul 27, 2009, 4:54am » | |
Jul 26, 2009, 9:37am, klr wrote:Criticising others "support" & relationship with the club is another bugbear of mine, I only made it down to Rangers five times last year & because I wasnt at Barnsley, Doncaster & Burnley away, it seems I'm not allowed to & havent got a valid point to offer.
Mike gets a bit of stick, but the amount of effort he puts in on the internet is the sign of a true supporter, Finney gets stick from some of these clowns for being from Ireland, that just shows downright ignorance when everyone knows that we have got a significant Irish fanbase & always have that Irish fanbase, along with Australians, West Indians etc, this is what QPR is about.
I dont think my Dad has been to see Rangers in three or four years, but he saw every game that Rodney Marsh ever played for the club & therefore witnessed the Halcyon days of QPR, the real QPR not the QPR with a Gulf Air logo splattered across the front of our shirts.
I think that is amongst the biggest load of nonsense I have ever read on these boards, people criticising others supports, I didnt go last season because I was skint, & in the main I didnt like the football I saw when I did go & to be brutally honest I dont think I did miss out on much, there was a bad atmosphere around QPR last season, it wasnt the good buzz it usually is at Loftus Road.
People shouldnt criticise others relationship with the club, & well, maybe I'm not better than the type of people I'm talking about, because I'm going to have a dig, but at least I feel genuinely hand on my heart that I am loyal to the club, the badge & the whole essence & identity of our clubs 127 year history, as opposed to loyalty to certain individuals who will come & go.
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I feel insulted now! New Zelanders haven't been targeted!! I feel left out. Ok so what my last attended games was way back in 1985. Obviously I am just a glory hunter fan.
I this football of a universe, there's Saturn, Uranus, Pluto then comes New Zealand. No one lives further away from Loftus Road - not even the Aussies. Mind you we were colonists not criminals...but thats another whole thread....
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« Reply #52 on Jul 27, 2009, 6:39am » | |
Jul 27, 2009, 4:54am, Lonegunmen wrote:| No one lives further away from Loftus Road - not even the Aussies. Mind you we were colonists not criminals...but thats another whole thread.... |
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According to my calculations, after the last seismic activity in your locality, as a result of the recent earthquake, New Zealand has actually moved 1.5cm closer to Loftus Road.
So what's your excuse for not attending games now?
 
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« Reply #53 on Jul 27, 2009, 8:08am » | |
Finally please find me one negative post you have ever written about GP? If you could find one positive from the posters on here, then we have a deal. Simple fact is we probably would not find one either way.
KLR you said you went to 1 game, now its 5. Does it really matter? It matters that you give opinion on the game you watched, of course it does. It was a 0-0, do how did you view it? If you watch a sophiscated gentleman on video and have seen him play at the highest level, it would be a different opinion to actually watching the game. You can only be giving an opinion on what you read and be influenced by others, you cannot possibly be giving an opinion based on the 30 second clip from the championship or reading the papers. That shows you are being influenced and jumping on the bandwagon.
I have likened it to watching a film, if you have seen it that would mean a genuine opinion on what you saw, if you read a review thats not the same. Its not going all high and mighty on anyone, as I cannot give an opinion on Oxford friendly for example as I was not there, but I've read reports, I cannot really draw any real conclusions from the game myself, I am simply gathering in all the information from various sources.
Eusebio, we finished 11th for one reason and one reason only. Before we played Ipswich we were one point off play offs, at the critical point of the season we went 7-8 games without a win, Reason=Negative tactics. You do that, when youarw trying to scrape a win and to avoid relegation, not when you are aiming for the play-offs.
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« Reply #54 on Jul 27, 2009, 8:24am » | |
Question i would like to know is how they think sousa failed, and why they think we did not have to pay him off?
Oh and all the players that came in last season apart from two Lopez , a sousa one and Parejo Done by FB were all otherwise done by GP.
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« Reply #55 on Jul 27, 2009, 8:41am » | |
For the record it is utter rollox to say you need to be at a game to understand it or give views on it.
The way the internet is now and with messageboards and the fact you see footage of most games not matter where you live in the world.
And even if you can not see it if you get football and understand the game you will get it via reading reports and following the web.
And who are you to say someone can or can not have a view ?
The reason we came 11th was that the club was run like a circus
Did any of the other clubs who got into the play-offs last season have four managers during the season?
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« Reply #56 on Jul 27, 2009, 8:59am » | |
Thought we had 2 managers and a caretaker manager for a brief period.
for the record, what would make you happy? I don't think in the many years of messageboard postings, I have ever seen you be positve.
You gave a view on the Oxford game, I am reading your article like I do others, I cannot post about the game as I was not there, think it makes a big difference. How could I possibly make refernce to the way we played?
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« Reply #57 on Jul 27, 2009, 9:04am » | |
Jul 27, 2009, 8:59am, qblockpete wrote:Thought we had 2 managers and a caretaker manager for a brief period.
for the record, what would make you happy? I don't think in the many years of messageboard postings, I have ever seen you be positve.
You gave a view on the Oxford game, I am reading your article like I do others, I cannot post about the game as I was not there, think it makes a big difference. How could I possibly make refernce to the way we played? |
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We had Dowie in charge then Aimsworth the Sousa then Aimsworth again now in my book that is four times.
Now as i asked tell me who else went into the play-offs with that many change of managers?
When was i happy loads of times Pete loads of times.
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« Reply #58 on Jul 27, 2009, 9:19am » | |
First comment.
You cannot post on here unless you have an avatar
I have taken it upon myself to speak for "most QPR fans" on this board, that is my right obviously.
I will also indulge in a number of cliches to make my point.
I hate cliches!
Briatore spoke of loyalty, as did Sousa, even if the pronunciation was a tad skewed. There was no loyalty shown to Sousa. I therefore feel speaking of loyalty is a strange thing.
I played semi pro football for years. Can I only comment on that? Or does that mean I am more qualified than someone who only played Sunday league or hasn't played football at all?
I must agree that I would never comment on a particular match that I had not attended unless it was specific incidents that I have subsequently seen. That does not preclude me from any opinion whatsoever.
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« Reply #59 on Jul 27, 2009, 9:32am » | |
"Pre-Madonnas" lol, this is the kind of intelligence levels you are dealing with here, you couldnt buy that lol.
I think we are going to have to make "Pre Madonnas" another one of the officially sanctioned mantra's along with "Onwards & Upwards" ! etc.
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