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Post by QPR Report on Jul 3, 2009 17:01:21 GMT
Dave McIntyre BBC 606
£100k for Camp is a decent deal Rangers have sold Lee Camp to Nottingham Forest for an initial fee of just £100,000 and believe it or not, it makes financial sense. The Camp v Cerny debate has been done to death. My view always was, and still is, that despite being somewhat overrated by QPR fans, Camp is by far the better of the two keepers and should be playing instead of Cerny. That’s very much a minority view, such has been Cerny’s success in turning opinions his way after a shaky start. But forget all that. In purely financial terms, the deal for Camp is a decent one for Rangers – however bad it may seem on the surface. The initial fee, followed by an additional sum in January plus two more payments based on appearances, mean Rangers should recoup at least £200,000 for Camp and maybe end up with closer to £300,000. That’s less than Rangers paid Derby for him and, I believe, significantly less than he is worth. But in real terms a player is only worth what someone will pay for him, and Forest’s was the best offer on the table. Camp was simply not going to play for QPR this season. Given that, and the absence of better offers, at some point it pays to cut your losses and do business, which is what Rangers have done. The alternative was to have a high-earning player sitting on the bench, which would have made no financial sense whatsoever. Doing this deal with Forest means that beyond the small transfer fee, there is also an overall annual saving. Yes, it could potentially leave Rangers without adequate cover for Cerny. But that’s a football issue. In purely financial terms, the club have done the right thing. Camp had to go and while Forest have got themselves a bargain, Rangers got the best deal possible. No-one has been more critical of Gianni Paladini than me, but when it comes to Lee Camp he hasn’t done too badly. Camp’s name is rarely mentioned on the dreaded list of ‘Paladini signings’ but it was very much his. With John Gregory’s position weak after a 5-0 mauling at Southend early in 2007, Paladini went from encouraging the re-signing of Camp on loan from Derby to insisting upon it. Camp was a popular arrival and was later signed for a reasonable price – around £350,000. And after Camp fell out of favour with the top brass at Loftus Road, the deal Paladini has done to get him out of the building is, in all fairness, not a bad one in the circumstances. A much bigger fee for Camp was agreed last season when he departed on an initial loan deal but Forest opted not to go ahead with the signing, which was their right. Now the transfer fee looks shockingly low, but the alternative was sheer financial lunacy. Blame lies with Paladini and QPR not so much for the fee, but for creating unrealistic expectations among fans over transfer fees in general. Barely a week has gone by in recent years without some story or rumour emanating from the club – usually taken as fact by readers – that bids have been turned down for this player or that, when actual bids for QPR players are in fact very rare indeed. It creates discussion among supporters, many of whom will be impressed and/or grateful that interest in their favourite players is being fought off. But it’s a short-term gimmick that almost always comes back to haunt the club. It happened with Dan Shittu and especially in the case of Lee Cook, who for months was supposedly the subject of multi-million-pound bids from various clubs which were all repelled by your glorious board. But when Cook wanted to go and in any case needed to be sold to balance the books, only Fulham were seriously interested and Rangers spent the summer trying to cobble a deal together. Those who’d been led to believe Cook would fetch more cash were left disappointed. More recently, the kind of money Rangers are rumoured to be getting for Dexter Blackstock bears no resemblance to what Forest would pay for him, and the same applied to Camp. This creates a delusional view of what QPR players – and indeed most Championship players – are worth. This also affects how incoming transfers are perceived, with many fans seeming to think fees ranging from £500,000 to £1m somehow don’t count, and show the owners are not willing to spend big money. A couple of hundred grand for Camp isn’t ideal, but it isn’t to be sniffed at either. In the circumstances, it’s a realistic fee and a decent bit of business. www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A54004330
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 3, 2009 17:17:40 GMT
Very, very good points by David.
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Post by Markqpr on Jul 3, 2009 20:29:40 GMT
Let me get this right, we have sold a young ex-England U21 international goalkeeper that could walk into the first team of most championship sides whom we picked up for a bargain, at a loss, but don't worry about it because it's not Pallidini's fault? The owners are willing to take a loss on Camp after stating there's no money for transfers because of a clash of personality? Schtuping children. Pathetic. Frankly I find this attempt at putting a positive spin on the worst transfer deal I can remember insulting. This is the end to another sorry saga emanating from the club. Truly incredulous.  |
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 3, 2009 21:54:52 GMT
Dave McIntyre BBC 606
.....Now the transfer fee looks shockingly low, but the alternative was sheer financial lunacy.
Blame lies with Paladini and QPR not so much for the fee, but for creating unrealistic expectations among fans over transfer fees in general.
Barely a week has gone by in recent years without some story or rumour emanating from the club – usually taken as fact by readers – that bids have been turned down for this player or that, when actual bids for QPR players are in fact very rare indeed.
It creates discussion among supporters, many of whom will be impressed and/or grateful that interest in their favourite players is being fought off.
But it’s a short-term gimmick that almost always comes back to haunt the club.
It happened with Dan Shittu and especially in the case of Lee Cook, who for months was supposedly the subject of multi-million-pound bids from various clubs which were all repelled by your glorious board.
But when Cook wanted to go and in any case needed to be sold to balance the books, only Fulham were seriously interested and Rangers spent the summer trying to cobble a deal together.
Those who’d been led to believe Cook would fetch more cash were left disappointed.
More recently, the kind of money Rangers are rumoured to be getting for Dexter Blackstock bears no resemblance to what Forest would pay for him, and the same applied to Camp.
This creates a delusional view of what QPR players – and indeed most Championship players – are worth.
This also affects how incoming transfers are perceived, with many fans seeming to think fees ranging from £500,000 to £1m somehow don’t count, and show the owners are not willing to spend big money.
A couple of hundred grand for Camp isn’t ideal, but it isn’t to be sniffed at either.
In the circumstances, it’s a realistic fee and a decent bit of business.
www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A54004330
Two major items: 1) WHY did Camp have to leave at QPR? What's the big beef those running the club have re Camp (assuming the salacious messageboard rumours are not true) And 2) The whole point Dave McIntyre is making about the club spreading or rumours re players/values....That is a definite hmmmmm! |
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Post by londonranger on Jul 3, 2009 22:24:56 GMT
Actually it was Gregory who had to have Camp and also Gregory before he was sent to the Briatore ex manager abbatoire. He bought legsofwood and Camp.
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 3, 2009 22:59:19 GMT
I vaguely recall hearing that before: That Paladini was the one who insisted on Camp....
Anyway, I'd assume if Dave McIntyre says it; it's so.
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Post by scottjones on Jul 4, 2009 8:19:51 GMT
Good piece by Dave.
I disagree with Camp being a better goalie than Cerny. The deal, as i understand it is more than £100K. It's 200K plus quite a few add-ons. Albeit only £200K cash is guaranteed so, i'd take it as a £200K deal - i hate all these add-ons, they seem to be in all football transfer deals but rarely happen.
Over a million for Camp and Delaney is decent business in my eyes - but only if we get a decent left back in!
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Post by superckat on Jul 4, 2009 9:41:39 GMT
The deal only makes good financial sense if we already have a good backup goalie at the club who can step in for Cerny if injured. If we don't and we have to go and spend money on another keeper. Then is it such good financial sense. Lets face it £100,000.00 isn't a lot. Can we buy someone of Camp's standard for £100,000.00?
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Post by scottjones on Jul 4, 2009 9:48:05 GMT
its 200K
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Post by superckat on Jul 4, 2009 9:57:13 GMT
Is that definite or is that just your take on it. Although my comment about finding a replacement for camp at the same standard for a possible £200k still applies.
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Post by scottjones on Jul 4, 2009 10:00:07 GMT
Is that definite or is that just your take on it. Although my comment about finding a replacement for camp at the same standard for a possible £200k still applies. Deffo. 2 instalments of £100K, one now and one in Jan. Why considering Forest seem to be splashing the cash i really dont know but, it seems most footy deals are done in installments anyway. Yes there are add-ons based on appearances and wot not but well, those things rarely seem to happen. However, you're right. God forbid Cerny gets injured its a big step up for the youngsters we have to fill his gloves. So, yep £200K aint a lot in that context I agree with you 100% |
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 4, 2009 10:01:45 GMT
And WHY the absolute 100% Camp had to be sold? What does the hierarchy have against him?
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Post by scottjones on Jul 4, 2009 10:03:12 GMT
And WHY the absolute 100% Camp had to be sold? What does the hierarchy have against him? Who knows - its pure speculation. Could simply be he didnt WANT to stay and be Cernys number 2? We'll have to keep an eye on his statments/interviews to get an insight |
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Post by obk on Jul 4, 2009 10:16:51 GMT
I thought it was quite clear since a rather long time that Camp did not want to stay unless he was the 1st choice keeper? Can't blame him for wanting to play, something he needs to do at his age to develop and become a better keeper.
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 4, 2009 10:18:42 GMT
Understand Camp's unhappiness at being second choice.
But that doesn't mean QPR HAD to sell him off; or why no one other than Nott F were interested.
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Post by obk on Jul 4, 2009 10:19:44 GMT
How long did he have left on his contract? If it was only one year left then they probably had to sell to get anything at all for him. Otherwise I agree with you!
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 4, 2009 10:24:03 GMT
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 4, 2009 10:28:12 GMT
Understand Camp's unhappiness at being second choice. But that doesn't mean QPR HAD to sell him off; or why no one other than Nott F were interested. Agreed, if Cerny has a big dip in form or serious injury Camp would have soon got his appetite back....it was rumoured that this is another of the now regular falling out that happen at Rangers not about football. I presume we intend to bring in a veteran keeper to sit on the bench but at the moment our back up is Niki-Lee Bulmer |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 4, 2009 10:29:01 GMT
How long did he have left on his contract? If it was only one year left then they probably had to sell to get anything at all for him. Otherwise I agree with you! He was on one of Gianni super long contracts |
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Post by scottjones on Jul 4, 2009 10:29:44 GMT
you forget about the king.
in training at the end of last year the king was in one goal and Cerny was in the other
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 4, 2009 10:36:22 GMT
I hope we're not banking on a 17 year old Latvian kid (however talented) as plan B
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 4, 2009 10:40:18 GMT
Unless he signed a new deal. His contract was till July 2010
QPR Official Site - July 2007 EXCLUSIVE: CAMP PENS DEAL
The Club are delighted to announce the signing of England Under-21 goalkeeper Lee Camp from Derby County for a fee of £300,000.
After two successful loan spells with the R's, Camp, 22, has finally made his switch to W12 a permanent one, after putting pen to paper on a three-year deal.
The transfer represents somewhat of a coup for gaffer John Gregory, who has always stated his intentions to reunite Camp with the current R's squad, with whom he made such a notable contribution during the latter stages of last season.
The Rangers manager said: "It feels like an absolute eternity since I started competing for the permanent transfer of Lee Camp.
"I have finally managed to get my number one priority of the summer in, and I couldn't be more delighted.
"For the first time as manager of QPR I have found myself in a position where I can pay a transfer fee.
"I have been given a small transfer kitty so I have to spend the money very wisely.
"Lee played an integral part in helping us maintain our Championship status last season. He is an outstanding goalkeeper and his arrival is a massive boost, not only to the squad but also to our supporters.
"Somehow we have managed to put together the £300,000 it has cost us in bringing Lee to Loftus Road, which has been paid directly by QPR and not by any other outside sources.
"When we sold Lee Cook, Chairman Gianni Paladini promised me there would be a percentage of Cookie's fee that I could spend in the market this summer, and he has been true to his word."
Camp will wear the No.1 shirt.QPR
DERBY OFFICIAL SITE - CAMP MAKES RANGERS SWITCH
Goalkeeper Lee Camp has completed a permanent move to Coca-Cola Championship side Queens Park Rangers for a £300,000 fee.
The 22-year-old has enjoyed two previous successful loan spells at Loftus Road and he has headed south once again to rejoin John Gregory's Hoops.
Derby-born Camp made his debut for the Rams at the age of 19, late in the 2002/03 season, and made a total of 97 appearances for the club he has supported since childhood.
His first loan to QPR came in the final two months of 2003/04, where he played 12 games in helping them win promotion to the Championship, and a further 11 appearances followed in a three-month spell earlier this year.
Camp was also loaned out to Burton Albion in 2002/03, where played five Conference games before he returned to Derby and made his debut, and he also made three appearances during a spell at Norwich City late in 2006
QPR's Lee Camp Talks About Moving On From Derby
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Camp: Time to move on - Derby Evening TElegraph BY STEVE NICHOLSON
Goalkeeper Lee Camp headed out of Pride Park yesterday afternoon as Derby County stepped up their bid to bring in Portsmouth defender Andy Griffin.
Derby-born Camp became the first departure of the summer when he joined Queens Park Rangers in a £300,000 deal.
After putting pen to paper on a three-year contract at Loftus Road, the 22-year-old spoke of how proud he feels to have played for his home-town club but now he is looking forward to a fresh start with QPR...
Uncertainty had surrounded Camp's future at Derby for a number of months and this increased when the club brought in two keepers.
Welsh international Lewis Price, 23, arrived from Ipswich Town on Thursday and 18-year-old Ben Hinchliffe was signed earlier this month after being released by Preston.
Camp was already second choice behind Stephen Bywater, who is set to make his first appearance of pre-season in Derby's game against Mansfield Town at Field Mill today.
"Joining QPR is an opportunity to play first-team football," said Camp.
"I just felt I would drop to number three in the pecking order at Derby and so the move is a fresh start for me and a new challenge.
"I am proud to have played for my home-town club and I wish everybody at Derby all the best for the season."
Billy Davies said he spoke to Camp a few weeks ago about staying and fighting for a place.
"Lee did not come back to me," added the Rams boss, "and so it was evident to me he wanted to go and become number one at QPR. I felt I had to go into the marketplace for another keeper."
Camp is back at QPR where he enjoyed two successful loan spells and Rangers boss John Gregory is delighted to have landed the England Under-21 international. "I have finally got my number one priority of the summer in," said the ex-Rams boss.
"Lee played an integral part in helping us to maintain our Championship status last season. He is an outstanding goalkeeper and his arrival is a massive boost, not only to the squad but also the supporters."
Camp is set to play in a friendly at Wycombe today.
He came up through the Academy at Derby, turned professional in 2002 and made 98 first-team appearances.
His debut was at Walsall in April 2003 when he replaced Lee Grant at half time and he established himself as the number one in 2004-05. He was outstanding as the Rams reached the Championship play-offs under George Burley and picked up the young player of the year award.
Camp remained in possession of the gloves the following season apart from a six-match spell when he lost his place to goalkeeping coach Kevin Poole.
But last season he found himself out of favour despite playing in the opening game against Southampton.
Billy Davies signed Bywater from West Ham and Camp went in search of football by joining Norwich and QPR on loan.
His first loan stint at QPR was in March 2004 when he helped them to win promotion from League One and he was a key figure in the London club's battle to beat relegation last season. - Evening Telegraph
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 17, 2009 12:57:12 GMT
Assuming Blackstock price is actually 1.6 million, reminder of what Dave McIntyre wrote. Good job!
Thread Started on Jul 3, 2009, 1:01pm »
Dave McIntyre BBC 606
£100k for Camp is a decent deal
Rangers have sold Lee Camp to Nottingham Forest for an initial fee of just £100,000 and believe it or not, it makes financial sense.
The Camp v Cerny debate has been done to death.
My view always was, and still is, that despite being somewhat overrated by QPR fans, Camp is by far the better of the two keepers and should be playing instead of Cerny.
That’s very much a minority view, such has been Cerny’s success in turning opinions his way after a shaky start.
But forget all that. In purely financial terms, the deal for Camp is a decent one for Rangers – however bad it may seem on the surface.
The initial fee, followed by an additional sum in January plus two more payments based on appearances, mean Rangers should recoup at least £200,000 for Camp and maybe end up with closer to £300,000.
That’s less than Rangers paid Derby for him and, I believe, significantly less than he is worth.
But in real terms a player is only worth what someone will pay for him, and Forest’s was the best offer on the table.
Camp was simply not going to play for QPR this season.
Given that, and the absence of better offers, at some point it pays to cut your losses and do business, which is what Rangers have done.
The alternative was to have a high-earning player sitting on the bench, which would have made no financial sense whatsoever.
Doing this deal with Forest means that beyond the small transfer fee, there is also an overall annual saving.
Yes, it could potentially leave Rangers without adequate cover for Cerny.
But that’s a football issue. In purely financial terms, the club have done the right thing.
Camp had to go and while Forest have got themselves a bargain, Rangers got the best deal possible.
No-one has been more critical of Gianni Paladini than me, but when it comes to Lee Camp he hasn’t done too badly.
Camp’s name is rarely mentioned on the dreaded list of ‘Paladini signings’ but it was very much his.
With John Gregory’s position weak after a 5-0 mauling at Southend early in 2007, Paladini went from encouraging the re-signing of Camp on loan from Derby to insisting upon it.
Camp was a popular arrival and was later signed for a reasonable price – around £350,000.
And after Camp fell out of favour with the top brass at Loftus Road, the deal Paladini has done to get him out of the building is, in all fairness, not a bad one in the circumstances.
A much bigger fee for Camp was agreed last season when he departed on an initial loan deal but Forest opted not to go ahead with the signing, which was their right.
Now the transfer fee looks shockingly low, but the alternative was sheer financial lunacy.
Blame lies with Paladini and QPR not so much for the fee, but for creating unrealistic expectations among fans over transfer fees in general.
Barely a week has gone by in recent years without some story or rumour emanating from the club – usually taken as fact by readers – that bids have been turned down for this player or that, when actual bids for QPR players are in fact very rare indeed.
It creates discussion among supporters, many of whom will be impressed and/or grateful that interest in their favourite players is being fought off.
But it’s a short-term gimmick that almost always comes back to haunt the club.
It happened with Dan Shittu and especially in the case of Lee Cook, who for months was supposedly the subject of multi-million-pound bids from various clubs which were all repelled by your glorious board.
But when Cook wanted to go and in any case needed to be sold to balance the books, only Fulham were seriously interested and Rangers spent the summer trying to cobble a deal together.
Those who’d been led to believe Cook would fetch more cash were left disappointed.
More recently, the kind of money Rangers are rumoured to be getting for Dexter Blackstock bears no resemblance to what Forest would pay for him, and the same applied to Camp.
This creates a delusional view of what QPR players – and indeed most Championship players – are worth.
This also affects how incoming transfers are perceived, with many fans seeming to think fees ranging from £500,000 to £1m somehow don’t count, and show the owners are not willing to spend big money.
A couple of hundred grand for Camp isn’t ideal, but it isn’t to be sniffed at either.
In the circumstances, it’s a realistic fee and a decent bit of business.
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 17, 2009 13:00:50 GMT
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 3, 2010 10:08:00 GMT
Still makes interesting reading six months later as we enter a new transfer window!  (Dave McIntyre Gives credit to Paladini for being a force in getting Camp to QPR (as permanent signing)...but also says: "... Blame lies with Paladini and QPR not so much for the fee, but for creating unrealistic expectations among fans over transfer fees in general.
Barely a week has gone by in recent years without some story or rumour emanating from the club – usually taken as fact by readers – that bids have been turned down for this player or that, when actual bids for QPR players are in fact very rare indeed.
It creates discussion among supporters, many of whom will be impressed and/or grateful that interest in their favourite players is being fought off.
But it’s a short-term gimmick that almost always comes back to haunt the club." |
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