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Post by londonranger on Nov 18, 2012 23:30:14 GMT
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Post by londonranger on Nov 18, 2012 23:31:38 GMT
Just makes me realise that our Prem stay is short lived and not exactly anything to be proud of.
Shameful.
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Post by manta on Nov 18, 2012 23:39:26 GMT
I know but the last paragraph in that article made me chuckle. ;D
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Post by canadaranger on Nov 18, 2012 23:45:54 GMT
I know but the last paragraph in that article made me chuckle. ;D Where's the beef?
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Post by rodmod on Nov 18, 2012 23:50:55 GMT
Everyone is to blame, top to bottom
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Post by FloridaR on Nov 18, 2012 23:56:52 GMT
Hughes said: “I may well. We have to understand that when you go into Premier League games you have to have a certain mentality. Sometimes we look a little bit naïve and dumbstruck.
COME ON HUGHES !!! you have a lot of players who are over 30 and nearly all the players have played at the higher level for many years..... IDIOT<
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 0:02:41 GMT
the longer we go without employing a new manager the less attractive the job will be who will want to take over a team that is sure to go down
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 19, 2012 0:04:14 GMT
Copy Paste of the Telegraph article
Queens Park Rangers manager Mark Hughes is safe for now but fans' unrest grows after Southampton defeat
Mark Hughes is likely to be granted a stay of execution as Queens Park Rangers manager until at least the Manchester United game on Saturday but, with supporter unrest mounting, further talks will be held this week between the club’s main shareholders.
Lone ranger: Mark Hughes is running out of time at QPR Photo: AFP/GETTY IMAGES
By Jeremy Wilson and Jason Burt11:00PM GMT 18 Nov 20121 Comment Tony Fernandes, the chairman, is currently in the United States where he attended a conference on Sunday and, although he still wants to keep Hughes, the manner of Saturday’s 3-1 defeat against Southampton has been a cause for shock and alarm.
A reaction is now being demanded at Old Trafford and there is a desire to see the club get back to basics. Player such as Shaun Derry, Jamie Mackie and Nedum Onuoha could all be recalled. There is mixed support for Hughes among directors but, until now, he has retained the crucial backing of Fernandes.
Tune QPR Sdn Bhd, a company owned by Fernandes, Kamarudin Meranun and Ruben Gnanalingham own 66 per cent of QPR, with 33 per cent controlled by the Mittal family’s Sea Dream Limited.
The final decision, then, does not rest solely with Fernandes and, if there is a strong feeling against Hughes this week from other shareholders, his job would still be in immediate jeopardy. As of Sunday night, Hughes had not heard directly from any of the owners since Saturday’s defeat and was continuing his preparations for the club’s next match. The absence of any fresh vote of confidence could be interpreted as ominous but Hughes does not expect any kneejerk reaction, even if QPR have now gone 12 Premier League games without a win.
Fernandes apologised to supporters after Saturday’s game. “Everyone including me let the fans down,” he wrote. “Many of us need a hard look at themselves. I feel gutted. I have put my heart and soul into this with my other shareholders. And done all we can to give support to players and all management. I can only apologise to the QPR fans.We keep fighting.” Representatives of Harry Redknapp and Rafael Benitez have already indicated to QPR that they would be interested in taking over should Hughes be sacked. Redknapp was asked about the situation on Match of the Day and, although he avoided the question, kept his options open.
“Mark is in the position and he’s a top bloke and an excellent manager,” said Redknapp. “He knows what he’s about and until and if there’s a change, it wouldn’t be fair for me to discuss it. We’ll just wait and see.”
One significant consideration would be the cost of replacing Hughes, who is 10 months into a 2½-year contract. QPR’s backing for Hughes has also extended to restructuring the backroom staff and a series of other key appointments, including new technical director Mike Rigg, who worked with Hughes at Manchester City.
There was, however, a big shift in the reaction of QPR supporters on Saturday, with some fans chanting “you’re getting sacked in the morning” and “Hughes out”. There were several anti-Hughes banners on display and there are also understood to be doubts about the manager among some players.
The QPR team were accused by supporters on Saturday of being “only here for the money”. Hughes accepted their vocal displeasure and said that he would make changes. “The fans are absolutely right to criticise given where we are,” he said. “In fairness, I was of the same view.”
Hughes delivered some blunt home-truths to the players after the match, accusing them of lacking mental strength. Asked if he would start again from scratch, Hughes said: “I may well. We have to understand that when you go into Premier League games you have to have a certain mentality. Sometimes we look a little bit naïve and dumbstruck. “Something needed to be said. Whatever I said [in the dressing-room] will obviously remain private but I was well within my rights to say everything that I said. We’re at a point where we need to understand where we are.
“We’re not talking about a successful mid-table finish now. Given the manner of the performance, we have to accept that we’re in danger of going down. The sooner we recognise that, we will get the right mentality to move us forward. And maybe the right players. Obviously, given the performance, I picked the wrong players. That can’t be allowed to pass without changes being made.” Hughes, though, is still sure that he can turn QPR’s season around.
“You have to go through periods where there are doubts and apprehension about what the future holds and we’re at that time right now but making wholesale changes again at this club would be the wrong decision,” he said.
Djibril Cissé, meanwhile, became embroiled in a Twitter exchange with a fan on Saturday who he invited to QPR’s training ground for a “face to face” talk. Cissé told Aran Hayashi “come to the training ground we’ll have a chat big man” after the QPR supporter said the Frenchman “couldn’t hit a cow’s a*** with a banjo.”
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Post by FloridaR on Nov 19, 2012 0:06:42 GMT
You forgot the other half of the article
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 19, 2012 0:15:29 GMT
Sorry...added
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Nov 19, 2012 0:32:50 GMT
He'll be gone after Man Utd. Rafa to take over in time for the Villa home game........
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Post by nomar on Nov 19, 2012 6:59:34 GMT
Getting in a new manager will be pointless without a change in thinking at the top, though.
Good news is that at least Hughes seems to have admitted that the fans sentiments that players are only here for the money could be spot on. Barton even admitted recently that he only came here for the money. The team lacks heart because the club has no heart right now. All it is is a cash cow for aged players attracted here by the signals put out by the club that QPR is all about money, image and living the dream.
Club survived by 1 point last season and instead of looking at the fact that out of all the buys last season it was 3 players from the Championship whose performances down the stretch kept them up they went out and repeated the transfer madness on an even grander scale in the off season.
And the club wonders why we're in a worse position now than we were last season?
I keep saying, there's a reason why Norwich and Swansea, who both had to change their managers in the off season, are managing not just to stay out of the relegation zone but put together impressive wins at home and on the road whilst we are struggling.
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Post by Ric Roc on Nov 19, 2012 7:00:20 GMT
the longer we go without employing a new manager the less attractive the job will be who will want to take over a team that is sure to go down Apparently this is along the lines of why Redknapp is stalling.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 19, 2012 7:32:32 GMT
Football 365 Hughes calls for QPR stability Mark Hughes believes "wholesale changes" to QPR's management structure would be a bad move, despite admitting they are in relegation danger. Last Updated: 19/11/12 at 07:04 Post Comment Next Premier League Manager To Leave. Click here to bet. Mark Hughes: Insists QPR need stability The Welshman is over-riding favourite with bookmakers to become the first Premier League manager sacked after the Hoops failed to win any of their opening 12 matches. That poor start was epitomised on Saturday as QPR slumped to an embarrassing 3-1 home defeat at the hands of fellow strugglers Southampton. QPR chairman Tony Fernandes has kept his counsel since, aside from a non-committal tweet in the immediate aftermath, and Hughes hopes to remain in charge. "Stability is absolutely what this club needs in the long-term," he said. "Until you get to that point where you can establish yourself in the Premier League, then you have to go through periods where there is doubt or apprehension about what the future holds. "We are at that point in time now, but I think wholesale changes once again for this club would be the wrong decision in my view. "You would expect me to say that but I honestly believe it. "The owners understand that we're at that place in time. We just need to get through this, come out the other side and look back at this and think, 'We needed to go through that period to grow stronger'. "It is difficult for everybody at the moment but we're not going to run away from it." After narrowly avoiding relegation on the final day of last season, Hughes vowed that QPR would not find themselves in another fight for survival again under his leadership. Those words have come back to haunt him and he admits their ambitions have changed. "We're at a point in time where we need to understand where we are," Hughes said. "We're not talking about a successful mid-table finish now because, given the manner of the performance against Southampton, we are in danger of going down. "We have to recognise that, we have to get the right mentality to move us forward and maybe the right players. "I take responsibility for that and, given the performance, I picked the wrong players [against Southampton]." QPR fans were vocal in their anger during the defeat to Saints, chanting 'You're only here for the money' at the players. While Hughes was quick to criticise his players' performance, he insists they remain committed to the cause. "I can understand totally the frustration of the fans and they are well within their rights to say that," he said. "I can assure them that is not the case. Everyone is working exceptionally hard to turn this around. "Today we just didn't perform as a team. When you have a poor performance, the fans, given where we are, they are absolutely right to criticise." www.football365.com/queens-park-rangers/8259135/Hughes-calls-for-QPR-stability
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Post by beanofire on Nov 19, 2012 7:39:22 GMT
Let us hope the 66 per cent can convince the 33 per cent that a change is needed. Personally, I would ship out all those players who are so obviously here for the money. They are equally as culpable as Hughes & his staff.
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Post by cpr on Nov 19, 2012 8:42:17 GMT
Redknapp isn't stalling...
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Post by Ric Roc on Nov 19, 2012 9:02:43 GMT
What is he doing then. Do let us all know.
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Post by jjqpr on Nov 19, 2012 9:08:10 GMT
Thanks for spoiling my week telegraph, lets hope its a load of rubbish and hughes is gone today. Still cant actually see TF doing it but we live in hope!!
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Post by harlowranger on Nov 19, 2012 9:13:46 GMT
Ha that made me laugh , due to the manner of the performance we are in danger of going down .
Funny how he said those lines we will ever be in this position again but find us in a worse position than last yr .
Getting the 17 pts Warnock got looks a million miles away after 19 games now !
I will be surprised if we have many more than 10 pts at halfway unless , Harry or someone comes in within the week !
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 19, 2012 9:16:38 GMT
Hughes wouldnt be talking about not sacking him if he didn't feel was very possible
Also probably hoping to be sacked/paid off and then he can say, I was turning things around when they axed me...
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Post by Ric Roc on Nov 19, 2012 9:26:14 GMT
Can never understand the workings of football contracts, completely in favour of those doing a shit job. Should be performance related. Same as players should be also.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 19, 2012 9:28:33 GMT
GUARDIAN
pporter said the Frenchman “couldn’t hit a cow’s a*** with a banjo. Telegraph
GUARDIAN/Paul Doyle Tony Fernandes to decide on Mark Hughes's QPR future this week
• Owner says 'fans deserve better' after Southampton loss • Hughes now admits QPR are 'in danger of going down'
Mark Hughes is in a mess and he is not sure how to get out of it. All he knows is that everything he knew last week could be wrong and he needs to come up with a new plan. Whether he will be given time to do that is unclear, as Queens Park Rangers' owners will meet this week to discuss whether to keep faith with the manager whose team have not won all season and were cast even further adrift at the bottom of the Premier League by Saturday's 3-1 home defeat to Southampton.
The manner of the loss to the team in 19th place seems to have shattered Hughes's confidence in his players and his approach. Just one day before that match he had radiated optimism, declaring that his team were on the right track and, once injuries abated and he was able to field a settled side, they would soar up the table and fulfil the club's pre-season prediction of a top-half finish.
He was able to deploy an unchanged lineup against Southampton for the first time this season and his team were trounced; and now Hughes says they are at risk of relegation and he has to shake up things.
That process began with a dressing-room tongue-lashing from the manager immediately after the defeat. "I think we're at a point where we're so disappointed with what we produced that something needed to be said," Hughes said. "Whatever I said will obviously remain private but I was well within my rights to say everything that I said. We're at a point where we need to understand where we are. We're not talking about a successful mid-table finish now.
"Given the manner of the performance we have to accept that we're in danger of going down. The sooner we recognise that we will get the right mentality to move us forward. And maybe the right players. And I take responsibility for that. Obviously, given the performance, I picked the wrong players."
On Friday he was convinced those were the right players, dismissing supporters' suggestions that some of the glamorous summer recruits seemed to lack the stomach for battle. The Loftus Road crowd repeated those concerns throughout the defeat to Southampton, chanting "you're only here for the money" at various supposed stars and cheering when Hughes withdrew José Bosingwa, the former Chelsea full-back whose displays this season have attracted particular derision.
Hughes says fans are mistaken about the players lacking motivation but right about them being in the wrong frame of mind. He thinks that could be part of the problem.
"I can understand totally the frustration of the fans and they're well within their rights to say that, but I can assure them that's not the case," Hughes said. "Everyone is working really hard to turn this around but we just didn't function as a team. It was an enigma. It was a real puzzle in terms of why we produced what we produced.
"We have to understand that when you go into Premier League games you have to have a certain mentality, you have to get a foothold in the game and then progress from that point. We're finding it very difficult to understand [what happened]. I picked the same team as I did against Stoke, where we played really well, but the same team didn't function. We prepared in the same way – obviously factoring in the strengths of the opposition – but for whatever reason, whether it was the significance of the game in which you need to step up, we lacked the mental strength. We need to understand that we need to compete and give what's required. Sometimes we look a little bit naive and dumbstruck by what's going on."
It was perhaps significant that in the second-half against Southampton Hughes introduced Jamie Mackie and Shaun Derry, two of the players who helped get the club into the Premier League last year but who have featured little since his purchase of perceived more high-profile names.
Is Hughes about to turn back to these players in the belief that they are more likely to have the right mentality? "I have to look at the makeup of the team because [the Southampton match] can't be allowed to pass without changes being made in terms of personnel. We have to look at who we've got and get the balance right."
One part of the personnel that the manager does not think needs to be changed is ... the manager. "Stability is absolutely what this club needs long term," he said. "Along with that, until you get to the point where you're established in the Premier League, you have to go through periods where there are doubts and apprehension about what the future holds. But making wholesale changes again at this club would be the wrong decision. You would expect me to say that but I honestly believe it. We just need to get through this and look back and I think we needed to go through that period to grow stronger. It's difficult for everybody but we're not going to run away from it."
The club's foremost shareholder, Tony Fernandes, left, was not at the game on Saturday but his tweets, previously so effusive in their support for Hughes, have taken a grimmer tone. "Everyone including me let the fans down," he tweeted in the wake of the Southampton debacle. "Many of us need a hard look at themselves. QPR has amazing fans. They deserve better."
This week Fernandes will consider the next step along with the co-owner Amit Bhatia and Fernandes's fellow Malaysian backers Ruben Gnanalingam and Din Kamarudin. Guardian
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Post by cpr on Nov 19, 2012 9:36:40 GMT
Waiting....
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 19, 2012 10:24:14 GMT
The Star MARK HUGHES HEADS FOR SHOWDOWN TALKS WITH TONY FERNANDES AS QPR STARS VOICE CONCERNS ABOVE: Time could soon be running out for QPR boss Mark Hughes “ Harry Redknapp is waiting in the wings to take over if Mark Hughes, whose rock-bottom QPR side are yet to win in the league this season, is axed. ” 19th November 2012 By Paul Brown MARK HUGHES is heading for showdown talks with Tony Fernandes after dressing-room unrest at QPR. Hughes is clinging to his job at Loftus Road after Saturday's home defeat to fellow strugglers Southampton. Angry words were exchanged in the dressing room afterwards. And Starsport understands some players are no longer convinced Hughes is the right man to lead them to safety. Fernandes was in Texas last night with his Formula One team for the American Grand Prix - and is yet to decide what happens next. But Harry Redknapp is waiting in the wings to take over if Hughes, whose rock-bottom side are yet to win in the league this season, is axed. Sparky will be given the chance to plead his case, and is helped by the fact that Fernandes is not due back in London until after the Brazilian Grand Prix on Sunday. Sacking him could cost QPR around £10m because although his contract runs out by June 2014, his large back-room staff would have to go with him. Hughes gave his squad the day off yesterday - despite around 100 fans staging a furious protest against them after Saturday's shock defeat. Angry Rangers players needed protection from security guards to leave the ground safely, and angry supporters flooded message boards, radio phone-ins and Twitter with calls for the manager to go. Fernandes has a good relationship with Hughes and does not want to sack him after just 10 months, but was devastated by the manner of Saturday's defeat to Saints. www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/283348/Mark-Hughes-heads-for-showdown-talks-with-Tony-Fernandes-as-QPR-stars-voice-concerns/
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Post by nomar on Nov 19, 2012 12:21:37 GMT
Sacking Hughes may be a start but I will say it again and again now. Unless TF changes the club philosophy now and brings in someone who is right for the kind of club we should be then this will just be a temporary fix.
Bad management starts at the very top. Just because TF backs his manager with cash doesn't make him a good or responsible owner any more than continually opening your wallet everytime your child demands something new makes you a good parent.
The club needs to very seriously consider what kind of players they really want here, more mercenaries or more Mackie's if you like.
Because one route will continue to take us down the same road that is currently killing us. The other route, though not as eye catching, is where, I believe, our long term salvation lies.
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Post by scubahoop on Nov 19, 2012 12:59:31 GMT
I agree nomar. That's why Kenny Jackett would be perfect for the job.
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Post by robbie on Nov 19, 2012 13:01:41 GMT
well said nomar...... less than half the 1st team deserve to wear the shirt they have no heart and genuinely dont care . the players have too much protection from the PFA and get their wages no matter how they perform.whatever happened to pay for performance ...if we had that in place the team would owe us a fortune but unfortunately were stuck with them ..who'd buy them on their huge wages!!! shower of assh**les!!
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Post by ingham on Nov 19, 2012 13:05:13 GMT
To pick up on what nomar said, we change managers, sign squad after squad, repeatedly 'attract' new 'investment', and none of it rings true. None of it has a purpose, except to keep the PR machine in copy until they sell up and clear out.
Why do we always buy the idea that investors are 'long-term' people when , apart from Gregory, that is almost unknown at QPR.
There is no conception of a football Club except among its supporters. You only have to look at the appalling strips. The QPR identity is as reduced as it can possibly be, to advertise REAL businesses so that THEY can make money, while QPR always LOSES money.
What exactly does a Club like ours need 'investment' for?
A couple of seasons in the Premiership will bring it the best part of £100 million just for being there, with inflated ticket prices and guaranteed full or almost full houses for every game?
Richard Thompson was once asked by Gerry Francis if he could guarantee that the player Francis thought we should sign would win us the title. Of course, Francis couldn't do any such thing. But it was as unusual as Thompson's announcement that he was LENDING £2 million to the Club, interest free - a sum which he recovered when he sold up. And his remark, much later, that he only wanted to buy Griffin Park to make money out of it.
Generally, 'investors' pretend the money is a gift, they'd pick up the tab, not to worry, they just wanted to help. Are they any different to the loans companies that proliferate in hard times, cashing in on desperation, pretending it's just a helping hand.
Yes, actually. Lenders of that kind don't also SPEND the bloody money too! On whatever they please. Rubbish managers, useless players, and property developments which will never benefit the Club, but will certainly line the pockets of the people who orchestrate them.
The football authorities don't ask 'Thompson' questions of the speculators who pounce on the unprotected Clubs. People like Fayed or Madjewski or Briatore aren't punished for failing to deliver the great big stadiums they promised and which conspicuously aren't in evidence, or the Champions League football they didn't produce, or the parity with United or Real Madrid that Fayed claimed.
They wouldn't talk all that crap if they had to make up the difference out of their own pockets.
Then we would hear all about supporters being realistic, making a profit rather than squandering money on pipe dreams, and ensuring that managers and players did what they were paid to do.
And all the phoney predictions would vanish overnight. There would just be football, and football clubs. Some better, some not. And we would know WHY some were better and others not.
Better players, a talented manager, good off-the-field adminstration.
The same number of Clubs would win things. The same number would lose. The greedy but useless individuals who get richer in a fortnight than some people become in a lifetime might lose out, but who cares about them?
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Post by magyarangol29 on Nov 19, 2012 16:20:24 GMT
Seriously, cannot go on any longer!! But hey, you guys DO NOT need me coming on here stating the bleeding obvious! I really don't understand how your owners are still dithering around. Why so much loyalty to a man who has clearly "lost the dressing room"? He is completely unable to get your very talented stars working as a team. Foreign or not, all I see is a bunch of very well paid individuals NOT playing and NOT working as a team. The longer this goes on, the worse it is going to get (no sh1t Sherlock, sorry)If change is made soon, like errrr NOW, then you could just make survival in the PL, which I also want as we are coming up next season and I fancy my away days at Loftus Park Do nothing, keep him and sure, Championship football it is. This whole farce is a very good example of spending lots of money on "stars" when the likes of Hill, Derry, Mackie, Kenny & Co (plus a few similar hungry signings) was all that would have been needed. I'm talking about players that want to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in, probably half decent championships players. Who's your captain by the way? Whoever he is, he's clearly gone missing as there's just no leadership there. Apologies for the rant, but you guys must be p155ed off big time and I don't blame you. I'll be back to congratulate you when he's sacked!
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Post by magyarangol29 on Nov 19, 2012 16:24:21 GMT
Just noticed my avatar status/rank? part of the page change after I posted! How mad is that
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