You do NOT drop Green. He's our goalie. Don't shatter his confidence
Already shattered by the looks of it, that was pathetic today.
Bit harsh Jon? Obviously he should have saved the first, but was left badly exposed in the second half. That said I was side on (G block) for all those so I am prepared to be corrected.
Already shattered by the looks of it, that was pathetic today.
Bit harsh Jon? Obviously he should have saved the first, but was left badly exposed in the second half. That said I was side on (G block) for all those so I am prepared to be corrected.
The pathetic comment was mainly about the first goal, we were on top at the time and it cost us the game gifting them the lead.
Bit harsh Jon? Obviously he should have saved the first, but was left badly exposed in the second half. That said I was side on (G block) for all those so I am prepared to be corrected.
The pathetic comment was mainly about the first goal, we were on top at the time and it cost us the game gifting them the lead.
Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #8 on Aug 18, 2012, 8:49pm »
Not the formation. 4-2-3-1 is ideal esp. away from home. Not the keeper. Not unless there is someone better. Cisse, Zamora or Johnson? Think Johnson and Zamora hold the ball up better than Cisse so maybe a change there as we are away next game. Hoillet, Taarabt and Mackie stay. SWP is no better - but can someone else take free kicks/corners? Dyer not match fit yet. Park and Diakite stay. Faurlin not match fit. Derry/Ephraim not in their class. Ferdinand stays and Onouhra partners him. Bosingwa at RB. Fabio stays at LB for now. Work needed on: delivery of set pieces, defending counter attacks, moving the ball around quicker when in possession. We all know that a strong CB - who can defend arial set pieces - is our glaring weakness. Is Samba really unavailale?
Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #12 on Aug 18, 2012, 10:06pm »
We just looked so unbalanced far to top heavy rekon dropping mackie bringing derry back in and pushing park out wide would help. I think park and diakite just didn't work in the way Hughes thought they would the gap between the cb's and cm's was what gave us so many problems. And cisse is not good enough at that role he's never been a player to play with his back to goal and not once did we get him in behind even with all the quality midfielders we played. For me Hughes got the whole balance wrong today and maybe tried to fit in to many forward thinkiing players but we have to trust him and think he'll find the right balance soon. I think the only positive right now is that its obvious we need a top quality centre back and i would think we may have 1 by saturday now. I also think that there's a fair chance Adel could be dropped to bring in another striker always seems an easy option when we lose a game badly. Think we have to stay positive right now as unlike last season we do have the players to make these changes and hopefully effect results its just a case of finding a system and starting 11 that work
Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #14 on Aug 19, 2012, 12:04am »
Drop Taarabt, his halfhearted and lackadaisical effort to track back singlehandedly gifted Swansea their 3rd goal and shouldn't be tolerated.
Bring in Zamora. We badly needed someone to hold the ball up, draw defenders and gift Cisse more space. Could've used a more physical presence, which will be vital away.
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Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #16 on Aug 19, 2012, 1:27am »
Taraabt was poor today in the second half, disappointing to see. Cisse looked slow and isolated, he needs some help and maybe Zamora is the answer.
Either way, one game. Everyone needs to take a deep greath and relax. We looked good for large portions of the first half. We have some tough games after the norwich match, so things could be a bit tense between now and October. We'll get through it.
The last thing we should do is panic and make massive changes. Like a back four of fabio/onuoha/Ferdinand/bosingwa for next Saturday.
Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #17 on Aug 19, 2012, 3:22am »
These guys have been together for at least the last two months training i presume. Are they that pathetic that they can't communicate on the field or read the game sufficiently,then why are they in the Premier League? Don't hold your breath waiting for Mark H to save this sorry bunch of over paid pretenders.
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Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #19 on Aug 19, 2012, 3:51am »
Green needs to be given more time. From what I have read it sounds like he had a bad game so we can either stick the boot in or get behind him so his confidence improves.
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Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #24 on Aug 19, 2012, 6:30am »
Hoillet and Diakite were my favs to watch. Hill made a great tackle that caught Green completely off. He should have hit the ground immediately! The defense was fine until the second goal and the SWP change. I would like to see Nelson and Bos in there maybe. Cisse for the first time was terribly behind. I don't know man. We're cursed ha ha ha. I was feeling too comfortable pre-match
Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #26 on Aug 19, 2012, 12:45pm »
taraabt has too many bad games which is why redknapp didnt want him yes he can do great things but his uselessness far outweighs any good play he has half the time he gives the ball away.
when we need stability and experience to stabilise this season we do not need someone who gives the ball away every other pass.
Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #27 on Aug 19, 2012, 5:14pm »
The players and managers QPR gets join a struggling Club like ours because they are struggling players.
If they were better, they'd join a Club which was guaranteed a higher position.
If they had the talent to transform a Club's fortunes, they would have transformed their previous Clubs first. But if that had happened, they would hardly be in the market for something worse.
Players and managers like this circulate through the Clubs, one after another, a different Club almost every year in many cases.
Doesn't anyone ever ask themselves why?
Our approach to signings is strange. When they're playing somewhere else, we're convinced the squad we have is superior. So, plainly, we don't want them. But when the squad we have proves itself to be yet another bunch of dodos, we persuade ourselves that the players we didn't rate when we expected to stuff their previous clubs are now first class.
Only when THIS Club is red hot, has the know-how, skill and experience to produce quality football, then and only then will it attract quality players with the consistency to maintain a high standard. Then, and only then, will we have the ability to recognise real talent, rather than the fool's gold we get dumped on us at enormous expense, year in and year out.
No Club is as a bad as its worst result. We will get good results, too. And mediocre ones. That's what we find so bewildering. We have no control over these things, and no way of working out how good the players are. Just when we can see that the players are third-rate, they win a few, and we decide that something is 'coming together'. Usually 'at last'. As if some grand plan on QPR's behalf is working itself out.
It isn't that our judgement is particularly poor, or ill-informed. It's that there is no basis for making informed judgements. Who do we judge? By the time a year or two has passed, the team we're supposed to judge has gone, and so have the people elsewhere in the Club, on the bench, and in the boardroom.
We beat Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool last season, and gave Man City a decent or semi-decent game twice - and it meant nothing, really. City won the League, Chelsea Europe, Arsenal qualified for Europe, Spurs nearly did.
We escaped relegation by the skin of our teeth.
When we get a great result, we say we are on our way. We don't say that when we lose 5-0 at home. Or 'that's more like it'. We talk as if a tiny bit of tinkering by managers and investors and players who've never won anything will make all the difference, but we're selective.
There is a plan, of course, but not a QPR plan. All these people, in the boardroom, the bench, on the pitch, they all make money whether we win or whether we lose 5-0. And they do it at any Club they go to, which is why they don't mind moving around from Club to Club.
That is where the control lies. Not in getting results. How could it? What would be the point of building up a steady stream of results at one Club when they're all going to be somewhere else in a year or two, in many cases much less?
We've been getting results like this (and the good ones) for 130 years because there is no-one at the Club who knows any better. We have a certain level of support, and a position in the league which produces a certain amount of money, and all the comings and goings have very little effect on it.
But it's meaningless, by and large, except for the most successful Clubs. Each abysmal performance is contradicted by a surprisingly good one. And each good one is followed by something nondescript. There is a wider pattern, but it involves every Club in the division, so, naturally, the wins and draws and losses are spread about. Nearly all of them have their new managers and new hopes and new tactics, and all it achieves is to show that they're new because the last lot didn't work.
After all, it's only a few matches since we beat Swansea 3-0 down here (with a summer break in between).
If we learn anything from the inconsistency of our performances, it should be that none of our overpaid 'representatives' have much idea. That doesn't mean we won't survive. Most of the rest aren't up to much either. And if we do flounder, well, we can get rid of them and try the next crowd.
That's what we find so difficult. Winning occasionally against another group of aimless non-achievers confirms that winning individual matches means very little.
Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #28 on Aug 19, 2012, 6:08pm »
I'd go 4-4-2 - start Derry in central defence, Zamora and Cisse up front. Mackie and Junior wide down the right and left respectively, Park and Tarbs in middle with Tarbs allowed to roam about a bit. We lacked a 'spine' on Saturday, which Derry would have contibuted to if he could have put his stamp on the game from the begining. His legs might not be the fastest but he reads a game and keeps his head. We need the old war horse back on the battlefield while things calm down. We all know he's been the real captain for the last two years.
Re: Norwich, what do you change? « Reply #29 on Aug 19, 2012, 7:47pm »
Green has to play but will get alot of stick from the norwich fans wasnt rated very highly during his playing days there.What we lacked last year and still lack is a quality centre back who takes responsability and talks at present we dont have one who fits the bill park should play right mid jnr plays left again zamora and cisse up top diakite and pehaps derry untill faulin is fit. Mackies work rate and effort makes him worth a place but he lacks the quality week in week out tough season ahead me thinks.
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