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Post by chrisguy on Aug 13, 2012 21:54:38 GMT
Interesting reading the latest copy of the excellent "Backpass" magazine to read an article by Tony Incenzo on the missing apostrophe in Queen's Park Rangers.
It was interesting to read Tony claiming credit for tracking down Ron Phillips to get his story on why he dropped the apostrophe,particularly so, as I read on this very site some 6 months or more ago that posters on here had tracked him down at a theatre and I read a very interesting interview with the man himself on QPR Report.
Seeing as it was this site that started the campaign to bring it back,as he states in the article, a little bit of credit maybe should have been due from Tony.
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Post by mfnc on Aug 13, 2012 21:59:24 GMT
got a link please.
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Post by chrisguy on Aug 13, 2012 22:07:47 GMT
I think the article is only to read in it's printed form, here is a link to their site with the latest issue with former R's player Dave Webb on the front. www.backpassmagazine.co.uk/ |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 13, 2012 22:25:27 GMT
Unfortunately I guess you have to subscribe... I know it's a lot to ask but if you could just type out the exact phrasing from Mr. Incenzo claiming he found...! OK...Let's start with Following QPR REPORT †qprreport#QPR Missing Apostrophe "Mystery" Solved: How/Why Queen's Park Rangers became #Queens Park Rangers - bit.ly/gbtxLp Reply Retweet Favorite 3:12 AM - 18 Apr 11 via web · Embed this Tweet Which takes one to March 2011 Bushman Topic: When/Why the Apostrophe was Dropped - The ANSWER! (Read 3,488 times) Bushman When/Why the Apostrophe was Dropped - The ANSWER! « Thread Started on Mar 28, 2011, 10:32am » qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=21264&page=1 |
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Post by chrisguy on Aug 13, 2012 22:25:32 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 13, 2012 22:26:40 GMT
And then we got an email from Imperium who provided the answer from the Man Himself Ron Phillips Re: When the Apostrophe was Dropped - Dennis Signy « Reply #32 on Apr 18, 2011, 6:58am » I have received a letter from RON PHILLIPS - remember him - the best Secretary ever for QPR? I quote his letter which I think gives the definitive answer to the apostrophe conundrum , as follows : I was indeed the culprit who dropped the apostrophe. The clues are all there. I joined the Club as Secretary in October 1966 and took over as editor of the programme a few months later. When I arrived the programme consisted of a single, folded sheet of paper which just wasn't up to the standards of the team's fabulous successes at that time. I changed the format to something more substantial(and I designed the Little Men cover which has been so popular with Rangers supporters. Then I took a look at the club's title on the front cover and decided it had to be improved. It had absolutely nothing to do with the club coming from Queen's Park or even Queen Victoria. I am red hot on grammatical misspellings caused by dropping apostrophes, but in this case it was simply an aesthetic decision. Apostrophes used in the titles of well-known locations look ugly. "Queens Park Rangers" as a title is much tidier than "Queen's Park Rangers" (in just the same way that "Regents Park" is easier on the eye than "Regent's Park"), or "Earls Court" is more digestible than "Earl's Court" I have continued this policy in my present job as Artistic Director of Barons Court Theatre. When I started the theatre in 1991, the area was known as "Baron's Court" It just had to go ! Thanks to the rising popularity of my theatre, everyone wries "Barons Court" nowadays - even the Tube has dropped the apostrophe ! My apologies if my decision offended the traditionalists. I hope that before they vent their anger on me they will at least take into account my "Little Men" innovation and agree that not all I did while at QPR was bad. Ron Phillips - Secretary QPR 1966-1989 Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=21264&page=2#ixzz23T47MEeb |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 13, 2012 22:31:22 GMT
Could you take another look at the Incenzo article and just make sure he's not attributing to this board...! (Tony Tweets at @tonyincenzo |
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Post by chrisguy on Aug 13, 2012 22:40:16 GMT
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Post by chrisguy on Aug 13, 2012 22:42:32 GMT
I think it would be great to get the apostrophe back it may be a small thing to some but it represents a major part of our history. I have heard from someone close to the club that TF and PB are aware of it and may be rebranding when the badge gets changed,maybe next summer.
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Post by canadaranger on Aug 13, 2012 23:01:58 GMT
Given that using the apostrophe is the Queen's English (not the Queens English), and given that TF is doing a huge amount for QPR (and by the same metric, for London and for the UK), I would humbly suggest that restoring the Queen's apostrophe would be just one more small but important step towards the Knighthood that TF will surely one day enjoy.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 14, 2012 5:36:19 GMT
From that scan, I don't see any attributation to Mac nor this site.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Aug 14, 2012 6:33:45 GMT
Uncool if he's nicked it without crediting.
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Post by Roller on Aug 14, 2012 6:40:45 GMT
Unless Tony Incenzo is Imperium.....
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Post by cpr on Aug 14, 2012 6:45:28 GMT
If things are put on the internet they become common property do they not? We on here all know what happened to the apostrophe, why and by whom, nothing new in that. The fact is, the apostrophe is part of our actual name so lazy printing, or whatever, should not alter that. Zico will be along soon.  |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 14, 2012 6:45:41 GMT
He's not!
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Post by Roller on Aug 14, 2012 6:50:51 GMT
So has anyone queried this with him? |
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Post by gramps on Aug 14, 2012 7:09:19 GMT
I am very much in favour of the apostrophe coming back. As some of you will know, I have had a lot of contact with Ron Phillips in connection with my book and this is the only bone of contention that has ever come between us. I appreciate his reasoning in removing the apostrophe in the first place but don't agree with it.
Apostrophes are a bone of contention with me but usually because so many have no idea of how they should be used and have a compulsion to put one in whenever they see an 's' at the end of a word.
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Post by Bushman on Aug 14, 2012 7:19:23 GMT
I am very much in favour of the apostrophe coming back. As some of you will know, I have had a lot of contact with Ron Phillips in connection with my book and this is the only bone of contention that has ever come between us. I appreciate his reasoning in removing the apostrophe in the first place but don't agree with it. Apostrophes are a bone of contention with me but usually because so many have no idea of how they should be used and have a compulsion to put one in whenever they see an 's' at the end of a word. Ron Phillip's |
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Post by cpr on Aug 14, 2012 8:46:28 GMT
The removal was actually Ron's Phillip. |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 14, 2012 8:57:23 GMT
QPR REPORT †qprreport@tonyincenzo Per your Article "Uncovering" what happened to the #QPR Apostrophe: I refer you to QPR Report, March 2011! goo.gl/jLny8 |
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Post by canadaranger on Aug 14, 2012 9:37:33 GMT
Proper punctuation is very important... My father-in-law is a bowel Cancer survivor. After the surgery, someone pointed out that a semi-colon was infinitely preferable to a full stop!  |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 14, 2012 9:39:18 GMT
Be interesting to read his response. Plagurism is not what a journalist enjoys being accused of, especially if found guilty.
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Post by canadaranger on Aug 14, 2012 9:42:38 GMT
Be interesting to read his response. Plagurism is not what a journalist enjoys being accused of, especially if found guilty. Samuel Pepys had that problem when someone nicked lines from his diary... It became the only recorded instance of bubonic plagiarism... (coat) |
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Post by gramps on Aug 14, 2012 9:51:29 GMT
Proper punctuation is very important... My father-in-law is a bowel Cancer survivor. After the surgery, someone pointed out that a semi-colon was infinitely preferable to a full stop!  |
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Post by Bushman on Aug 14, 2012 10:45:24 GMT
Proper punctuation is very important... My father-in-law is a bowel Cancer survivor. After the surgery, someone pointed out that a semi-colon was infinitely preferable to a full stop! You are running out of coats.  |
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Post by Roller on Aug 14, 2012 11:52:11 GMT
QPR REPORT †qprreport@tonyincenzo Per your Article "Uncovering" what happened to the #QPR Apostrophe: I refer you to QPR Report, March 2011! goo.gl/jLny8 Nicely put, I can't wait for him to claim his innocence! |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 14, 2012 12:48:38 GMT
I too await. But it always possible arrived at it independently...
The one absolute for certain is that it is incorrect to say "after 45 years the mystery is solved" - when it was solved 18 months ago!
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Post by sharky on Aug 14, 2012 14:07:37 GMT
I must disagree with Gramps. I don't want the apostrophe back. Much tidier without it.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 14, 2012 14:17:43 GMT
I must disagree with Gramps. I don't want the apostrophe back. Much tidier without it. Apostrophe....Hoops....Ground....Name: Where will it end?  To "semi-blaspheme" - "First, they came for the apostrophe; and I said nothing...Then...." |
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Post by gramps on Aug 14, 2012 14:20:08 GMT
I must disagree with Gramps. I don't want the apostrophe back. Much tidier without it. For me it's nothing to do with tidiness but grammatical correctness. Care to step outside and settle this man to man? ;D |
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