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« Thread Started on Aug 2, 2012, 2:39pm » | |
Beard talking. But actually the whole issue looks interesting
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« Reply #1 on Aug 2, 2012, 5:51pm » | |
Very interesting. The part that jumped out at me was the bit about Shepherds Bush, looks like the new stadium will be in W12 after all
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« Reply #2 on Aug 2, 2012, 6:21pm » | |
maybe not Kensington Gasworks then, which is W10. I guess we'll find out soon enough (maybe)
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« Reply #3 on Aug 2, 2012, 6:28pm » | |
But at least five years away yet. At my time of life I must say I would have liked it to be a bit earlier than that. Not sure that I shall still be up to going to matches once I pass 80.
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« Reply #4 on Aug 2, 2012, 6:47pm » | |
Aug 2, 2012, 6:21pm, fraserinbc wrote:| maybe not Kensington Gasworks then, which is W10. I guess we'll find out soon enough (maybe) |
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I wouldn't have minded Kensington Gasworks. Closer to Queen's Park. But anywhere in the area would be very cool. Very exiting times ahead!!!
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« Reply #5 on Aug 3, 2012, 9:41am » | |
5 years....  does that include building the stadium, bluudy hell i will have almost cought up gramps by then........... 
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« Reply #6 on Aug 3, 2012, 11:32am » | |
5 years minimum is quite good actually. Do the training ground first while growing our fanbase with good season finishes.
If we're waiting that long I would imagine we are waiting for the BBC to move out of the White City office site.
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« Reply #7 on Aug 3, 2012, 1:13pm » | |
How do you grow a fans base when there is no room left for extra fans at LR.????? 
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« Reply #8 on Aug 3, 2012, 1:39pm » | |
If you have them in Korea/Malaysia/Indonesia, won't be too many at a time coming over!
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« Reply #9 on Aug 3, 2012, 1:39pm via the ProBoards Mobile App » | |
Selling out every home game for the next few seasons is a good start.
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« Reply #10 on Aug 3, 2012, 3:53pm » | |
By the time the stadium is built, park will have gone so will have the Korean fans, so that will be one source of revenue gone.
Unless we get Ki.
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« Reply #11 on Aug 3, 2012, 3:58pm » | |
Aug 3, 2012, 3:53pm, scarletpimple wrote:By the time the stadium is built, park will have gone so will have the Korean fans, so that will be one source of revenue gone.
Unless we get Ki. |
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Or maybe some chinese football star. Not that I find the idea bad.
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« Reply #12 on Aug 3, 2012, 4:11pm » | |
Thanks Mike for posting that. What he doesnt explain nor address, is how we are to stay competitive for that five years with the same max. attendance, which if 1 am correct maybe a little less than that? Maybe borrowing a larger place to play matches, that might want a tenant. A rugby team, Wembley, just free associating. but that is an issue.
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« Reply #13 on Aug 3, 2012, 6:57pm » | |
Good interview there with Gullit too incase anyone is interested.
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« Reply #14 on Aug 3, 2012, 7:24pm » | |
Dont understand why TF came out with the stadium tweet, if building it is so far off in the future....did his gob get ahead of his brain.
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« Reply #15 on Aug 3, 2012, 9:08pm » | |
Aug 3, 2012, 7:24pm, scarletpimple wrote:| Dont understand why TF came out with the stadium tweet, if building it is so far off in the future....did his gob get ahead of his brain. |
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To be honest, most probably yes. That's what tweeting is all about, isn't it.
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« Reply #16 on Aug 3, 2012, 9:54pm » | |
To be honest. I am not happy with where the board are taking us.
Yes we have maybe a good team, yes they will please fans.
But to all you stalwarts out there say goodbye to your club.
I feel kinda sad
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« Reply #17 on Aug 3, 2012, 10:01pm » | |
The question is: Could we survive as a small team? And at what level would we be surviving?
Is it a question of "expand" or Die? Or is it a question, of this is what the owners want (and probably many fans - especially future fans?)
And what would life be like without Fernandes or a similar type?
How many QPR fans, including on this board, would be prepared to be say where Brentford or Barnet are?
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« Reply #18 on Aug 3, 2012, 10:09pm » | |
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« Reply #19 on Aug 4, 2012, 10:17am » | |
An amazing number of interesting posts, all good.
Inclined towards the londonranger, scarletpimple, maude's views myself.
Mac, your question raises the question of choice. Did we choose where to finish last season? Or did we 'achieve' it? The modern game tends to talk about football as if it is a matter of choice. You pick your position in the future league table, say 12th, rising to 6th or 7th, falling no further than 17th - and that's it.
Why so unambitious? Because we recognise our limitations? If those are our limitations, why aren't we always in that position?
Do Clubs choose where they finish? Or do they achieve it, or fail to? If wishes were horses, no doubt Brentford and Barnet wouldn't be where they are.
As to our present position, we're in the Premiership on our unsustainable 17,500 attendances. And so impoverished that the Club gets £40 million a year to spend. True, all the others get much the same.
As far as Beard is concerned, I assume he comes back to the stadium issue so often because, like Fernandes, Bhatia and the others, he knows nothing about football.
There is no evidence that any of them do. And that is what is lacking. Why not simply win the title. Do that for five years, and the football world will sit up and take notice.
And the whole distraction of the unsatisfactory size of the ground, and lack of revenue, can't be an issue, if the Club's 'investors' wealth is the measure.
Personally, I don't think it is.
They are here to get their hands on QPR's money, not to provide the Club with theirs. That would be impossible. QPR can't spend someone else's money, or do anything else with it. Either these people must give the money to the Club - in which case it is the Club's money, not theirs - or they must lend it - in which case it is also the Club's money, not theirs.
So we're left with a curious dichotomy. On the one hand, Beard and the others often talk as if QPR is just a little Club. They cling on to that 'ABC' loan as if it is the wealth of the Indies, and as it is secured against the Ground, surprise! They want to sell the Ground.
Then, abruptly, out of nowhere - a Premiership-winning-sized stadium - 45,000.
No increase in support, no success, no big name stars, no world class manager. No stunning football. No special tactical ingenuity.
Nothing. Just another group of people who bought themselves shares from the previous share-owners, who own debts, and who have property deals to promote.
I notice that generally, and with Beard particularly. The other aspects of the property development alwaysseem to be more important than QPR. It is QPR which needs them. QPR which hasn't enough - money, support, revenue, stability. We are certainly unstable. We have been at LR since long before any of them were born. And this messageboard no doubt consists almost entirely of people who supported QPR before this lot arrived.
Yet it is QPR which is unstable? Investors scuttle from one business to another, one country to another, buy up, sell off. How many have we had in the last 10 years? How big are the losses they've run up? How much money has been put into the Club by its supporters in that time?
Have we asked for a penny back? the Club wouldn't work if we did that. We make it work, we make it stable, and yet they always belittle us.
Beard's example of Clubs needing revenue from other sources was Coldplay playing at the Emirates. Arsenal were at Highbury for 80 years and more, winning what was it? 14 titles?
But from Beard we get the impression that none of it compares to 3 days of Coldplay.
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