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« Thread Started on May 24, 2012, 9:23pm » | |
I have absolutely no complaints about the 12 game ban for Joey Barton. But I do wonder, shouldn't the FA have punished Tevez as well? He did kick out at Barton initially and he went down very easily when Barton "elbowed" him. I am not defending Barton, but it didn't look like much contact and he went down like he got hit by a missile? If that wasn't enough for the FA, what about the "RIP Fergy" sign he held up during the victory parade?
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« Reply #1 on May 24, 2012, 9:29pm » | |
Straws and grasping mate.
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« Reply #2 on May 24, 2012, 9:37pm » | |
I would never defend barton but funny how tevez got elbowed in the neck but held his forehead for 2 mins!!!!!!!!!!!! c h e a t.
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« Reply #3 on May 24, 2012, 9:40pm » | |
if it means barton is gone from our club then i like tevez
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| | Re: Shouldn't Tevez also been banned by the FA?
« Reply #4 on May 24, 2012, 9:44pm » | |
May 24, 2012, 9:40pm, maudesfishnchips wrote:| if it means barton is gone from our club then i like tevez |
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« Reply #5 on May 24, 2012, 9:53pm » | |
I agree with Doudou, why has tevez not be charge for the initial hit on barton? Lets say Barton reacted normally - ie by not then hitting tevez, then what? Isuspect he would have been charge, or at least I hope he would have been.
Doudou, im with you on this one - why has he not be charged?
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« Reply #6 on May 24, 2012, 10:07pm » | |
Tevez should probably get a 3 match suspension for his part, but did anyone expect Tevez to be punished at all
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« Reply #7 on May 24, 2012, 11:01pm » | |
it depends if the referee noted it in his report. If he did, which I doubt otherwise he would have had to have sent Tevez off too, then the FA can't retrospectively punish him, IIRC.
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« Reply #8 on May 24, 2012, 11:22pm » | |
May 24, 2012, 9:53pm, eskey8 wrote:I agree with Doudou, why has tevez not be charge for the initial hit on barton? Lets say Barton reacted normally - ie by not then hitting tevez, then what? Isuspect he would have been charge, or at least I hope he would have been.
Doudou, im with you on this one - why has he not be charged?
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| | Re: Shouldn't Tevez also been banned by the FA?
« Reply #9 on May 25, 2012, 12:18am » | |
Think it's really clutching at straws this. What Tevez did was essentially niggle at Barton - the general kind of handbags you'd see between players on almost every set piece. At the absolute most he'd get a yellow card and those aren't even enforced post-match.
Yeah he went down like he'd been shot by a sniper, which is obviously annoying, but I think how you react, beyond getting up and hitting Barton back, has sweet FA to do with it. Barton definitely had a dig at him. You can't prove it didn't hurt (it probably didn't) but whether Tevez goes down like a sack of shite or stands up and takes it and gives Barton a kiss, it's still a red card offence and the reaction as pretty much nothing to do with it.
Edit: for the record, i'm not having a dig simply because of it being Barton and jumping on his case, just basically saying the FA have far, far bigger things worth dealing with. The constant Barton bashing, whilst justified, is getting really, really, really boring.
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| | Re: Shouldn't Tevez also been banned by the FA?
« Reply #10 on May 25, 2012, 5:06am » | |
May 24, 2012, 10:07pm, andrewqpr wrote:| Tevez should probably get a 3 match suspension for his part, but did anyone expect Tevez to be punished at all |
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« Reply #11 on May 25, 2012, 7:23am » | |
In my view it wasn't a case of Tevez niggling Barton but rather him putting out his arm with the intention to clout Barton. Look again and you will see Tevez sticking out a stiff arm, so his intentions are clear. There is nothing niggly about that and it doesn't matter if he connected or not - the intention was there and so he should have received a red and a 3 match ban.
The issue is that Barton retaliated in a very violent way, and add in the play acting by Tevez, he had to go. His reactions afterwards was just plain thuggish and inexcusable.
The problem is that as is the case far too often the officials spot the retaliation and not the original offence, so the original perpetrator usually gets off scott free.
Sadly Mike Riley is also one of those refs that has this very unfortunate habit of not looking when one of the glamour team players commits something like that but is more often than not eagle eyed when a player from the less glamorous sides commits the same offence. His linesmen must also hold up his hands because if he saw the one offence then he surely must have seen the origional challenge as well.
All I can assume is that they didn't want a riot at the Etihad because there was just no excuse for keeping Tevez on the pitch (and no I'm not saying this lightly - I truly believe that that was the case).
Rugby Union has solved that problem to a large extent by making full use of the citing process. In this case the original offence need not have been picked up by the officials - so long as the one teams raises an objection after the game and the TV evidence is there then they will cite the player retrospectively. In addition, a new method has been introduced to rugby, whereby if an offical suspects that foul player has happened but is not 100% sure then they can use the white card - which means that the citing panel is now obliged to investigate and don't have to wait for a team to raise a complaint.
Yes I agree it doesn't always work well - and there is some inconsistency with the rulings at times - but overall it works because it recognises that the person throwing the punch isn't alway the main culprit. So why hasn't it happened in football?
The problem is that the FA is so stuck up it's own rules than it just doesn't have a clue. yes they use video technology but not consistently enough - for instance if it can be used to overturn a decision on appeal then they tend to be very reluctant to use it.
In addition ther eis somne rather bizaree rules as well. If the ref has not made a note of the offence then they aren't obliged to take further action. yet, as we saw on the Bolotelli stamping at Arsenal, if an official had seen it but did nothing about it, then the FA cannot take any further action or impose further sanctions.
It is just plain bizarre - and in the end it boils down to this;
If you play for a glamour club you tend to have more free reign with officialdom than if you play for the less glamorous teams.
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« Reply #12 on May 25, 2012, 9:29am via the ProBoards Mobile App » | |
He may still be charged....
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« Reply #13 on May 25, 2012, 9:39am » | |
Having watched Carlitos for a couple of seasons I will agree that he has been known to go down a bit easily on occasions. I am not sure that Mr Barton can complain tho given his performance in going down poleaxed by a girlie slap from Gervinho!
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« Reply #14 on May 25, 2012, 9:48am » | |
Let's take Barton out of the equation. I think he deservedly got red carded and he deserved that 12 match ban as well. No complaints there. My argument is more that there is enough to go on to slap Tevez with a ban. He kicked out at Barton before Barton did whatever he did. Didn't Ivanovic get a ban for that as well recently? That he went down to easily, well I think it is wrong but the FA doesn't hand out bans for acting. But the distasteful sign during the victory parade, how is that not bringing the game into disrepute?
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« Reply #15 on May 25, 2012, 10:04am » | |
But the distasteful sign during the victory parade, how is that not bringing the game into disrepute?
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Why? What was wrong with it?
Given that it was Sir Alex himself that said "City wont win the league in my lifetime" and given the things he said about Tevez what is wrong with the guy having a dig back?
Or is having a dig back at Fergie now outlawed in the UK?
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« Reply #16 on May 25, 2012, 10:35am » | |
May 25, 2012, 7:23am, saphilip wrote:In my view it wasn't a case of Tevez niggling Barton but rather him putting out his arm with the intention to clout Barton. Look again and you will see Tevez sticking out a stiff arm, so his intentions are clear. There is nothing niggly about that and it doesn't matter if he connected or not - the intention was there and so he should have received a red and a 3 match ban.
The issue is that Barton retaliated in a very violent way, and add in the play acting by Tevez, he had to go. His reactions afterwards was just plain thuggish and inexcusable.
The problem is that as is the case far too often the officials spot the retaliation and not the original offence, so the original perpetrator usually gets off scott free.
Sadly Mike Riley is also one of those refs that has this very unfortunate habit of not looking when one of the glamour team players commits something like that but is more often than not eagle eyed when a player from the less glamorous sides commits the same offence. His linesmen must also hold up his hands because if he saw the one offence then he surely must have seen the origional challenge as well.
All I can assume is that they didn't want a riot at the Etihad because there was just no excuse for keeping Tevez on the pitch (and no I'm not saying this lightly - I truly believe that that was the case).
Rugby Union has solved that problem to a large extent by making full use of the citing process. In this case the original offence need not have been picked up by the officials - so long as the one teams raises an objection after the game and the TV evidence is there then they will cite the player retrospectively. In addition, a new method has been introduced to rugby, whereby if an offical suspects that foul player has happened but is not 100% sure then they can use the white card - which means that the citing panel is now obliged to investigate and don't have to wait for a team to raise a complaint.
Yes I agree it doesn't always work well - and there is some inconsistency with the rulings at times - but overall it works because it recognises that the person throwing the punch isn't alway the main culprit. So why hasn't it happened in football?
The problem is that the FA is so stuck up it's own rules than it just doesn't have a clue. yes they use video technology but not consistently enough - for instance if it can be used to overturn a decision on appeal then they tend to be very reluctant to use it.
In addition ther eis somne rather bizaree rules as well. If the ref has not made a note of the offence then they aren't obliged to take further action. yet, as we saw on the Bolotelli stamping at Arsenal, if an official had seen it but did nothing about it, then the FA cannot take any further action or impose further sanctions.
It is just plain bizarre - and in the end it boils down to this;
If you play for a glamour club you tend to have more free reign with officialdom than if you play for the less glamorous teams. |
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| | Re: Shouldn't Tevez also been banned by the FA?
« Reply #17 on May 25, 2012, 6:32pm » | |
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DEAN WOULD HAVE DISMISSED TEVEZ
Referee Mike Dean has revealed he would have sent off Carlos Tevez if he had been afforded a full view of the clash between the Manchester City striker and QPR midfielder Joey Barton on the final day of the Premier League season.
Barton was on Wednesday handed a 12-match ban for his dismissal and violent reaction at the Etihad Stadium on May 13, when City beat QPR 3-2 to win their first league title for 44 years.
QPR said on Friday that Barton, now the subject of an investigation by his club following the incident, would not appeal against that decision.
Later, the Football Association published the full report by the independent regulatory commission into the case, which revealed Barton's ban was divided into a four-match ban for the dismissal for elbowing Tevez, given it was his second red card of the season, a five-match punishment for kicking out at Sergio Aguero, and a three-match punishment for attempting to headbutt Vincent Kompany.
Tevez appeared to strike out at Barton initially, and Dean, via video link, told the regulatory commission that it was a red-card offence which had gone unnoticed.
In the report, which is signed by commission chairman B.M Jones, it is stated that: "Mr Dean was questioned about the 'Tevez' incident for which Mr Barton was dismissed. It was confirmed that neither the referee nor the assistant saw the alleged incident of Mr Tevez striking Mr Barton although Mr Barton immediately made representations to Mr Dean that is what happened, and such comments by Mr Barton can be clearly seen in the video.
"The commission accept that Mr Barton was aggrieved by the action of Mr Tevez and Mr Dean confirmed that had the incident been seen by the officials as shown by the clip supplied by Mr Barton, it would have been an automatic red card.
"The commission find that this does not however excuse the subsequent action by Mr Barton in relation to Messrs Kompany or Aguero."
Barton receives strong criticism in the report for his assault on Aguero, which the commission, which included former Chelsea defender Paul Elliott, said could have caused "serious injury" to the player who went on to score the title-winning goal.
"The commission considered the 'Aguero' incident was a cold and calculated attack from behind Mr Aguero," the report states.
"It was deliberate and the absolute anger etched in Mr Barton's face, is most clearly seen in the videos. It was premeditated and without any provocation and could easily have caused Mr Aguero injury and maybe have put him out of the rest of the game.
"Fortunately he did not suffer any serious injury but he must have been taken very much by surprise and shocked which could have affected his game. The incident was watched by millions of people on television and Mr Barton really had no option other than to admit his guilt and he did so. No great credit can be, or was, given for the admission in this regard."
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« Reply #18 on May 26, 2012, 12:24am » | |
Tevez is like Sir Alex fergusson, gets away with whatever he feels. Although the money he lost at City must've hurt.
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« Reply #19 on May 26, 2012, 1:07am » | |
Dean would have dismissed Tevez. Lol
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« Reply #20 on May 26, 2012, 4:32am » | |
One thing is for sure and that is that the officials have one rule for QPR players and one for the others, especially the top teams. Look at how Derry and Barton have been treated. Young should have been yellow carded and now an admission that Tevez should have been red carded.
This doesn't excuse what Joey did after being red carded, but I can see the injustice of it in his mind. These officials are paid good money to get it right. If they had, Tevez and Barton would have 3 and 4 match suspensions and we wouldn't have been looking at a 12 match suspension.
It's just not good enough that these officials get away with incompetence, opposition players with fouling and cards and our players and team get overly punished. It's time that official who make card errors are fined just like players, and those on opposition sides who stage or foul, leading to incorrect decisions get post match bans and fines. After all isn't that what justice is about.
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« Reply #21 on May 26, 2012, 5:19am » | |
Derry in particular has been shafted because he hasn't brought it on himself.
Sorry, but Barton is reaping from what he has sewn. innocent or not, the cry wolf and the sometimes dirty play from him has earned him the "extra" attention. He can now be as innocent as he likes, referees will no longer give him the benefit of the doubt.
Tevez, Ashley Young, even Rooney, should have been dealt with by referees long ago.
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« Reply #22 on May 26, 2012, 7:05am » | |
May 26, 2012, 5:19am, Lonegunmen wrote:
Sorry, but Barton is reaping from what he has sewn. innocent or not, the cry wolf and the sometimes dirty play from him has earned him the "extra" attention. He can now be as innocent as he likes, referees will no longer give him the benefit of the doubt. |
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Benifit of the doubt? .Referees and then susequently the FA are hanging drawing and quartering JB at any opportunity.I can honestly say I cant remember Joey playing a dirty game for us.Quite the opposite in fact Ive been calling out for some of this fabled Joey Barton 'fire in the belly' stuff for most of the season.Both reds were to be honest stitch ups by cynical cheating c**nts and inept officials backed up by an arse covering FA.
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« Reply #23 on May 26, 2012, 7:42am » | |
I'd tend to believe that the Ref could have had a clear, unimpeded view of Tevez action and he would have given him the "benefit of the doubt." Right he's going to send off/and harm Manchester City's chances of winning the title - At Manchester City...
If they really want to make football "cleaner" there will be one yardstick for every club at every ground: So it won't be Man Ut and Man City etc repeatedly getting the benefit of the doubt; extra time to play; penalties, etc, etc.
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« Reply #24 on May 26, 2012, 11:41am » | |
May 25, 2012, 9:48am, Doudou wrote:| Let's take Barton out of the equation. I think he deservedly got red carded and he deserved that 12 match ban as well. No complaints there. My argument is more that there is enough to go on to slap Tevez with a ban. He kicked out at Barton before Barton did whatever he did. Didn't Ivanovic get a ban for that as well recently? That he went down to easily, well I think it is wrong but the FA doesn't hand out bans for acting. But the distasteful sign during the victory parade, how is that not bringing the game into disrepute? |
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totally agree with this....Tevez actions are not mitigation for Barton but they deserve scrutiny too....clearly Dean has said if he'd seen it he'd of gone so I would hope Tevez is dealt with too.
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« Reply #26 on May 27, 2012, 8:24am » | |
Well Mike Riley has proved my point hasn't he ? Once again, when somebody from a glamour club does something wrong he conveniently didn't see it - nor, amazingly, did the linesman who at the same time did manage to see Barton's elbow.
This is not to excuse Barton - who in my view should be sacked by the club if they can find a loophole - but is typical of what I have been seeing from officials in the EPL week in and week out. I have seen Man Utd players put out an elbow within metres of an offical - and no offical saw it.
And yet these same officials, who cannot see something happening right in front of them, can easily spot something from the other end of the pitch - through a crowd of players - when somebody from a less glamorous team does something wrong. Funnily enough they can also here clearly what players or coaches say to them from that same distance - with the crowd noise behind them as well. Absolutely amazing.
Mind you the media also needs to take a look at itself. Yes, what they have written about JB is 100% correct - he is a thug dressed up in a cloak of respectibilty - but has anybody from the press had anything to say about Tevez's role in that whole incident - and if they have have they also dragged up his past as well like they have done with Barton?
Of course not. I wonder why?
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« Reply #27 on May 27, 2012, 8:31am » | |
Fair call their Phil. I am hoping Tevez will yet get some form of punishment.
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« Reply #29 on May 27, 2012, 11:12am » | |
And there was Joey's mistake. He should have gone down and stayed down, just like Tevez does/did instead of retaliating.
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