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« Reply #30 on May 28, 2012, 8:35pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 8:30pm, kempton ranger wrote:| No disrespect KLR but I certainly do not mix with people that behave like that and I have in all my years of going to football have never witnessed fascism on the terraces on that scale. I am not saying it has been totally eradicated at our stadia , but to have hundreds or even thousands chanting monkey noises or Nazi salutes is "shocking ". |
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Yeah it was shocking, but also a hypocritical documentary when you consider London is also due to host a major international event in a few months time.
I'll make the suggestion that there are much more & much graver concerns around the world over London's ability to host a safe & successful Olympic Games than there are about Poland & Ukraine's ability to hold The Euro's
Actually the tone of "look at those savages over there" was quite laughable if you want my opinion & the Sol Campbell comment was just plain odd.
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« Reply #31 on May 28, 2012, 8:38pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 8:35pm, klr wrote:
May 28, 2012, 8:30pm, kempton ranger wrote:| No disrespect KLR but I certainly do not mix with people that behave like that and I have in all my years of going to football have never witnessed fascism on the terraces on that scale. I am not saying it has been totally eradicated at our stadia , but to have hundreds or even thousands chanting monkey noises or Nazi salutes is "shocking ". |
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Yeah it was shocking, but also a hypocritical documentary when you consider London is also due to host a major international event in a few months time.
I'll make the suggestion that there are much more & much graver concerns around the world over London's ability to host a safe & successful Olympic Games than there are about Poland & Ukraine's ability to hold The Euro's
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name them, and compare it to what we saw tonight in that stadium
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« Reply #32 on May 28, 2012, 8:45pm via the ProBoards Mobile App » | |
I really do not think that London hosting the Olympics and Poland/ Ukraine hosting the Euros can be compared . The reason being that there is to my memory no history of violence between rival fans at the olympics , whereas football has a long history of associated violence . We as a footballing nation have bent over backwards since the Hiesel stadium incident to rid football gangs from travelling with our national team and at club level.
The fears for the Olympics are over terrorism sure there might be petty crime , that happens everyday in London but you will not see Dutch fans at the Olympics fighting over there shot-putter because the Russian girl won.
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« Reply #33 on May 28, 2012, 8:48pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 8:33pm, Jon Doeman wrote:Inclined to agree.
I'm a black man and I'd rather walk in London at 2am in the morning than in any Ukrainian City.
I doubt even Millwall fans would ever be caught giving the Zieg Heil sign.
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« Reply #34 on May 28, 2012, 8:50pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 8:38pm, maudesfishnchips wrote:
May 28, 2012, 8:35pm, klr wrote:
Yeah it was shocking, but also a hypocritical documentary when you consider London is also due to host a major international event in a few months time.
I'll make the suggestion that there are much more & much graver concerns around the world over London's ability to host a safe & successful Olympic Games than there are about Poland & Ukraine's ability to hold The Euro's
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name them, and compare it to what we saw tonight in that stadium |
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The level & scale of crime in London is absolutely off the scale compared to any the crime problems in either Poland or Ukraine
Terrorism
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My point is that this was a hypocritical documentary & I'd also take my chance in any Ukranian / Polish city at 2am over London at 2am.
That's all I've got to say, the attacks on those Asian students was indeed shocking & we certainly dont see anything like that INSIDE our stadiums anymore, but to suggest clearly in this documentary that Ukranian / Polish society is somehow more primitive & backward than British society is quite frankly laughable & hypocrisy at its very worst.
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« Reply #35 on May 28, 2012, 8:58pm via the ProBoards Mobile App » | |
I was however really surprised to see police carrying shotguns are the grounds , it does make you wonder what goes on that Panorama never captured , what with fans taking knife training the full camo in some woods.
Come-on it a war mentality , I really do fear for travelling fans especially those countries that have a history of crowd trouble i.e England , Holland , Germany , Italy.
It could all get rather messy.
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« Reply #36 on May 28, 2012, 9:03pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 8:50pm, klr wrote:
May 28, 2012, 8:38pm, maudesfishnchips wrote:
name them, and compare it to what we saw tonight in that stadium |
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The level & scale of crime in London is absolutely off the scale compared to any the crime problems in either Poland or Ukraine
Terrorism
The Transport Network
My point is that this was a hypocritical documentary & I'd also take my chance in any Ukranian / Polish city at 2am over London at 2am.
That's all I've got to say, the attacks on those Asian students was indeed shocking & we certainly dont see anything like that INSIDE our stadiums anymore, but to suggest clearly in this documentary that Ukranian / Polish society is somehow more primitive & backward than British society is quite frankly laughable & hypocrisy at its very worst. |
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i disagree, the police are so corrupt in the ukraine that crime is underestimated.
terrorism attacks? whats that got to do with anything.
transport? are you saying buses and trains are vehicles for right wing extremists?
we are talking about nazis beating the crap out of people at a football match.
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« Reply #37 on May 28, 2012, 9:03pm » | |
How do you know that bit with them training with the wooden knives in the woods was actually "real" ?
You could have just given them a couple of hundred quid & said right, can you do this for us, dont be naive enough to think that this sort of stuff doesnt go on, especially when The BBC are involved.
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« Reply #38 on May 28, 2012, 9:03pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 8:48pm, nomar wrote:
May 28, 2012, 8:33pm, Jon Doeman wrote:
I'll disrespect him, he's full of sh1t. |
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Inclined to agree.
I'm a black man and I'd rather walk in London at 2am in the morning than in any Ukrainian City.
I doubt even Millwall fans would ever be caught giving the Zieg Heil sign. |
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If you was white Nomar then you would probably be safer in a Ukrainian city than London at 2am so klr makes a valid point there
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« Reply #39 on May 28, 2012, 9:05pm » | |
oh dear
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« Reply #40 on May 28, 2012, 9:06pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 9:03pm, maudesfishnchips wrote:
May 28, 2012, 8:50pm, klr wrote:
The level & scale of crime in London is absolutely off the scale compared to any the crime problems in either Poland or Ukraine
Terrorism
The Transport Network
My point is that this was a hypocritical documentary & I'd also take my chance in any Ukranian / Polish city at 2am over London at 2am.
That's all I've got to say, the attacks on those Asian students was indeed shocking & we certainly dont see anything like that INSIDE our stadiums anymore, but to suggest clearly in this documentary that Ukranian / Polish society is somehow more primitive & backward than British society is quite frankly laughable & hypocrisy at its very worst. |
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i disagree, the police are so corrupt in the ukraine that crime is underestimated.
terrorism attacks? whats that got to do with anything.
transport? are you saying buses and trains are vehicles for right wing extremists?
we are talking about nazis beating the crap out of people at a football match. |
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I guess we will all just have to wait & see.
I hope both The Euro's & The Olympics pass off without incident.
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« Reply #41 on May 28, 2012, 9:08pm » | |
I saw it and it was shocking. Unfortunately klr practically dismissing what was shown isn't shocking. More expected.
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« Reply #42 on May 28, 2012, 9:09pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 9:03pm, andrewqpr wrote:
May 28, 2012, 8:48pm, nomar wrote:Inclined to agree.
I'm a black man and I'd rather walk in London at 2am in the morning than in any Ukrainian City.
I doubt even Millwall fans would ever be caught giving the Zieg Heil sign. |
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If you was white Nomar then you would probably be safer in a Ukrainian city than London at 2am so klr makes a valid point there |
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That is exactly my point, I am a white person & I am saying that I would feel safer in a Ukranian or Polish city at 2am than I would in London where an aggressive violent black street culture dominates, if I was black, I would probably feel safer in London.
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« Reply #43 on May 28, 2012, 9:24pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 9:09pm, klr wrote:
May 28, 2012, 9:03pm, andrewqpr wrote:
If you was white Nomar then you would probably be safer in a Ukrainian city than London at 2am so klr makes a valid point there |
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That is exactly my point, I am a white person & I am saying that I would feel safer in a Ukranian or Polish city at 2am than I would in London where an aggressive violent black street culture dominates, if I was black, I would probably feel safer in London. |
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Not only would you feel safer. I'm pretty sure you'd feel at home.
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« Reply #44 on May 28, 2012, 10:38pm » | |
And as a Jew I guess I'm in trouble wherever I go!
For all the obvious areas of crime in English cities, I'm not sure I've read of any Olympic-team families fearing to travel to London!
And I don't think too highly of hordes of fascist-saluting/racists. But I guess that's just me
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« Reply #45 on May 28, 2012, 11:06pm » | |
May 28, 2012, 10:38pm, Macmoish wrote:And as a Jew I guess I'm in trouble wherever I go!
For all the obvious areas of crime in English cities, I'm not sure I've read of any Olympic-team families fearing to travel to London!
And I don't think too highly of hordes of fascist-saluting/racists. But I guess that's just me |
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No it's not just you Mac. I'm not Jewish or Black but fascists/racists are the lowest of the low. There should be no tolerance for them, NONE!!!!
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« Reply #46 on May 29, 2012, 6:47am » | |
I am Indian so obviously, I have no time or respect for people with racist attitudes. As far as I'm concerned they are scum. The Panorama programme was shocking but nonetheless pretty accurate in its portrayal of Eastern European attitudes towards coloured people. My ex-girlfriend is Polish. During the two years we were together, she never once encouraged me to visit her home town due to the racism she feared I would be subjected to if I visited there. My fiancee is Russian, and whilst I have never encountered any problems when visiting Moscow or St Petersburg, I have two black friends who have. One was subjected to verbal racist abuse and the other was punched in the face by a total stranger (whom he said nothing to) whilst walking down a busy main street. I keep my visits to Russia to an absolute minimum and am extremely careful whenever I am there. Obviously, it helps that I am with a local. I'm sure we would find racism in pretty much every country out there if we looked hard enough. BUT, it appears particularly strongly ingrained within Eastern European culture and the governments/authorities there do nothing to eradicate it, preferring to deny its existence instead. The great thing about British culture is its diversity and willingness to tackle immoral practices head on. I would much rather walk down an English street at 2am than a Ukranian one!
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« Reply #47 on May 29, 2012, 6:50am » | |
Surely the debate here is about football hooligans rather than the safety of a person in a particular city? Sure there are areas of London where I particulary wouldn't want to go to very late at night but that can be said for practically any city in the world.
What Panorama was showing was the absolutely disgusting way attitudes and actions that have no place in this world are still prevalent in Ukraine and Poland. The average Pole/Ukranian is a lovely person but the average Pole/Ukrainian isn't a young football thug. These lowlifes are allowed to fight/incite hatred/spew racist insults and worse. The poor Asian friends that were set upon was unbelievable. None of the stewards (let alone other fans) came to their help. The monkey chants by so many young people with some of them giggling afterwards and the Nazi salutes shows complete ignorance to the way the world is in most places. For the authorites to allow and therefore basically condone this is amazing in countries that are trying to embrace and emulate the Western world.
The fear is that these so called fans who will obviously not be in the grounds watching the games in such numbers but will be milling around trying to pick off easy targets amongst travelling fans and rival supporters. This will no doubt what the authorities will be trying to stop happening and hoping that the whole problem with their Ultra Fans will be brushed under the carpet until after the tournament has finished.
This is a totally different situation to London and the Olympics and for you KLR to suggest that London is many times more a dangerous place is laugable and ridiculous. Are you even aware of the homicide rate in Ukraine? Have a look at http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compar...._method/148,192 and maybe you might learn something.
There is a reason why London has so many different nationalities and people of all different creeds,colours and beliefs. It is because we are a civilised race. Of course we have our own undesirables and no go areas but where hasn't?
As a Welshman living in France I will be fully behind England's team in the Champioship and hope and pray that all supporters no mater from which country they are from and whatever creed,colour or belief have a safe and enjoyable time over there.
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« Reply #48 on May 29, 2012, 8:18am via the ProBoards Mobile App » | |
No point trying to change klr's thoughts on this matter. Just like he sees nothing wrong in what John Terry said to Anton. He will try and dismiss or justify what was shown on Panorama. Whereas some may have been shocked by what was shown yesterday. You know there would be some that would have watched and secretly enjoyed it.
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« Reply #49 on May 29, 2012, 8:22am » | |
Some pretty disgusting footage shown on the news here tonight. I wouldn't go to this tournament although there are a few QPR fans who would and also probably get off on this type of behaviour.
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« Reply #50 on May 29, 2012, 8:25am » | |
Good to see the police are taking the problem seriously with the comment about the Metalist not giving the seig heil salute, the fans were just pointing to the other fans with their right hands!!!!!!!!!!!! What's the matter with these people??
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« Reply #51 on May 29, 2012, 9:06am » | |
Here's a laugh. Former Chelsea striker Andriy Shevchenko says there is "no real problem" with racism in Ukraine and fans have nothing to fear at Euro 2012. Shevchenko told the BBC: "We don't have a real problem here about racism. The country's very quiet and people are very friendly." What planet is this guy living on???
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« Reply #52 on May 29, 2012, 10:36am » | |
May 29, 2012, 8:18am, superckat wrote:| No point trying to change klr's thoughts on this matter. Just like he sees nothing wrong in what John Terry said to Anton. He will try and dismiss or justify what was shown on Panorama. Whereas some may have been shocked by what was shown yesterday. You know there would be some that would have watched and secretly enjoyed it. |
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I dont remember saying that I saw "nothing wrong with what John Terry ( Allegedly ) said to Anton." I'm sure you have got my exact quote to hand to put me right yeah ?
I'd like to see that quote that you have just attributed to me, can you post it please ?
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« Reply #53 on May 29, 2012, 10:54am » | |
May 29, 2012, 6:50am, froggyranger wrote:Surely the debate here is about football hooligans rather than the safety of a person in a particular city? Sure there are areas of London where I particulary wouldn't want to go to very late at night but that can be said for practically any city in the world.
What Panorama was showing was the absolutely disgusting way attitudes and actions that have no place in this world are still prevalent in Ukraine and Poland. The average Pole/Ukranian is a lovely person but the average Pole/Ukrainian isn't a young football thug. These lowlifes are allowed to fight/incite hatred/spew racist insults and worse. The poor Asian friends that were set upon was unbelievable. None of the stewards (let alone other fans) came to their help. The monkey chants by so many young people with some of them giggling afterwards and the Nazi salutes shows complete ignorance to the way the world is in most places. For the authorites to allow and therefore basically condone this is amazing in countries that are trying to embrace and emulate the Western world.
The fear is that these so called fans who will obviously not be in the grounds watching the games in such numbers but will be milling around trying to pick off easy targets amongst travelling fans and rival supporters. This will no doubt what the authorities will be trying to stop happening and hoping that the whole problem with their Ultra Fans will be brushed under the carpet until after the tournament has finished.
This is a totally different situation to London and the Olympics and for you KLR to suggest that London is many times more a dangerous place is laugable and ridiculous. Are you even aware of the homicide rate in Ukraine? Have a look at http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compar...._method/148,192 and maybe you might learn something.
There is a reason why London has so many different nationalities and people of all different creeds,colours and beliefs. It is because we are a civilised race. Of course we have our own undesirables and no go areas but where hasn't?
As a Welshman living in France I will be fully behind England's team in the Champioship and hope and pray that all supporters no mater from which country they are from and whatever creed,colour or belief have a safe and enjoyable time over there. |
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The thing about statistics is that you can post some, then I can post some..........
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/pie/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes
Then you can post some, then I can post some to suit our own arguments.
These are probably "Official" statistics as well, ones that governments & police forces feel "comfortable" with putting out
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« Reply #54 on May 29, 2012, 11:01am » | |
May 28, 2012, 8:50pm, klr wrote:
Whilst the service can be absolutely criminal at times, especially the amount of time waiting for a Piccadilly line train going to Uxbridge or a Central line train going to Ealing B-Way whilst countless others stream past, it's not train drivers and signal men I watch out for over my shoulder when I'm at a cashpoint, believe me.
May 28, 2012, 9:24pm, superckat wrote:| Not only would you feel safer. I'm pretty sure you'd feel at home. |
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May 28, 2012, 10:38pm, Macmoish wrote:| And as a Jew I guess I'm in trouble wherever I go |
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Yes, but in your case, most of the time it's got nothing to do with you being Jewish! 
May 29, 2012, 6:50am, froggyranger wrote: 
You kept that quiet.
But I don't blame you for doing so!
Panorama by it's nature puts across a very microscopic view of it's subject in order to highlight what does exist. Ukraine and Poland only served as a backdrop to a program that was a simple repeat of it's-self from countless episodes in the 70's and early 80's when the backdrop was the terraces of this countries' football grounds.
Every country has these a$$holes, and Ukraine needs a change of generation before the Police actually acknowledge the problem it seems
But it will happen over time.
I think violence is inevitable at the Euros. The Polish firms were well policed at the World Cup in Germany and as such still feel a need to 'make a reputation' and as it's in their own backyard they'll be far more difficult to control away from the stadiums.
It's going to be a reminder of the dark days for us but we know those countries will eventually get past it like us over time and like us will always have that hardcore micro-minority of racist a$$holes who like to mob up and chant sh!t. 
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« Reply #55 on May 29, 2012, 11:07am » | |
May 29, 2012, 10:36am, klr wrote:
May 29, 2012, 8:18am, superckat wrote:| No point trying to change klr's thoughts on this matter. Just like he sees nothing wrong in what John Terry said to Anton. He will try and dismiss or justify what was shown on Panorama. Whereas some may have been shocked by what was shown yesterday. You know there would be some that would have watched and secretly enjoyed it. |
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I dont remember saying that I saw "nothing wrong with what John Terry ( Allegedly ) said to Anton." I'm sure you have got my exact quote to hand to put me right yeah ?
I'd like to see that quote that you have just attributed to me, can you post it please ?
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Found the quotes yet ?
Also you seem pretty confident in knowing exactly what it was that "JT" allegedly said to Anton which seems strange seeing as Anton himself didnt know or didnt hear what was said, but you know what was said right ?
How interesting.
As for the whole Panorama thing, I would absolutely take my chance at 2am in any Polish or Ukranian city over London at 2am, & that's all I've got to say on the matter.
Now I wish Superckat would hurry up & find that quote of mine.
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« Reply #56 on May 29, 2012, 11:34am » | |
May 29, 2012, 11:07am, klr wrote:
May 29, 2012, 10:36am, klr wrote:
I dont remember saying that I saw "nothing wrong with what John Terry ( Allegedly ) said to Anton." I'm sure you have got my exact quote to hand to put me right yeah ?
I'd like to see that quote that you have just attributed to me, can you post it please ?
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Found the quotes yet ?
Also you seem pretty confident in knowing exactly what it was that "JT" allegedly said to Anton which seems strange seeing as Anton himself didnt know or didnt hear what was said, but you know what was said right ?
How interesting.
As for the whole Panorama thing, I would absolutely take my chance at 2am in any Polish or Ukranian city over London at 2am, & that's all I've got to say on the matter.
Now I wish Superckat would hurry up & find that quote of mine. |
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I didn't quote you in my above comment and didn't say it was a quote I said you didn't see anything wrong with what Terry said. But if you want some quote see below. This is what my opinion is based on.
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"If they sorted it out after the match then what has it got to do with anyone else ?
I dont particularly like Terry, but I tell you what I definately dont like; the demonisation of a working class white male by "holier than though" & "right on" middle class types in the media / "the Race Industry"
Now that hasnt necessarily happened in that instance, but its what usually happens in this country & it depresse's people & makes people more resentful, not more "inclusive" or any of that B*llocks.
John Terry may be a Racist, but at least he's not a hypocrite."
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"JT is Innocent"
Quote 3 after probably realising what you said in quote 2
"Well, he's probably not IMO, but thats not my point."
Doesn't seem like you are against what John Terry said. Looks very much like you see nothing wrong in what he said. Again. You said "John Terry may be a Racist, but at least he's not a hypocrite." Now tell me I'm wrong.
Sometimes it's just too easy
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« Reply #57 on May 29, 2012, 11:51am » | |
May 29, 2012, 11:01am, Markqpr wrote:
May 28, 2012, 8:50pm, klr wrote:
Whilst the service can be absolutely criminal at times, especially the amount of time waiting for a Piccadilly line train going to Uxbridge or a Central line train going to Ealing B-Way whilst countless others stream past, it's not train drivers and signal men I watch out for over my shoulder when I'm at a cashpoint, believe me.
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Now that is funny.
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« Reply #58 on May 29, 2012, 2:47pm » | |
May 29, 2012, 11:34am, superckat wrote:
May 29, 2012, 11:07am, klr wrote:
Found the quotes yet ?
Also you seem pretty confident in knowing exactly what it was that "JT" allegedly said to Anton which seems strange seeing as Anton himself didnt know or didnt hear what was said, but you know what was said right ?
How interesting.
As for the whole Panorama thing, I would absolutely take my chance at 2am in any Polish or Ukranian city over London at 2am, & that's all I've got to say on the matter.
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I didn't quote you in my above comment and didn't say it was a quote I said you didn't see anything wrong with what Terry said. But if you want some quote see below. This is what my opinion is based on.
Quote1
"If they sorted it out after the match then what has it got to do with anyone else ?
I dont particularly like Terry, but I tell you what I definately dont like; the demonisation of a working class white male by "holier than though" & "right on" middle class types in the media / "the Race Industry"
Now that hasnt necessarily happened in that instance, but its what usually happens in this country & it depresse's people & makes people more resentful, not more "inclusive" or any of that B*llocks.
John Terry may be a Racist, but at least he's not a hypocrite."
Quote 2
"JT is Innocent"
Quote 3 after probably realising what you said in quote 2
"Well, he's probably not IMO, but thats not my point."
Doesn't seem like you are against what John Terry said. Looks very much like you see nothing wrong in what he said. Again. You said "John Terry may be a Racist, but at least he's not a hypocrite." Now tell me I'm wrong.
Sometimes it's just too easy
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Well that's case settled isnt it ?!
You need to get over yourself you great big tart, Anton Ferdinand doesnt know what "JT" was alleged to have said to him, but you, some fat old tart on a messageboard, somehow you do know what was said right ?! give it a rest you tart.
Anyway, you've wound me right up & the rest of you c*Nts can go to Hell & highwater & take your poxy little messageboard with you, that's it from me, for good!
Go fu ck yourselves!
Shaun Wright-Phillips, you can to Hell you little C*nt.
Goodbye, for those that I was friends with Godbless! & maybe I will be seeing a couple of you next season, the rest of you can go to Hell!
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« Reply #59 on May 29, 2012, 2:51pm » | |
May 29, 2012, 2:47pm, klr wrote:| the rest of you can go to Hell! |
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I've already been to Grimsby and I can tell you I'm not going back.
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