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Brentford + Early 2nd World War programme
« Thread Started on May 18, 2012, 8:46am »

What happened in the 60's between us?

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #1 on May 18, 2012, 8:51am »

It was actually before my time. But back then, Brentford-QPR was what QPR-Chelsea is today. (Perhaps not today, because Chelsea are so far ahead of us. But that was THE rivalry between both clubs.)

* And Jim Gregory tried to merge the teams!

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« Reply #2 on May 18, 2012, 8:53am »

Brentford’s main rivals are Fulham and Queens Park Rangers.[11]

Brentford have a long standing rivalry with Fulham.[12] The two local rivals competed regularly until recent years when Fulham were taken over by Egyptian millionaire Mohamed Al-Fayed. In the past this fixture has been marred by crowd violence.[13] Fulham are considered to be Brentford's traditional rivals and vice versa.[11]

QPR are also considered to be rivals. Brentford and QPR clashed regularly until 1966 when QPR spent many years in higher divisions. It wasn't until 2001 that they met again. The rivalry intensified in 1967 when QPR failed in an attempted takeover of Brentford which would have spelled the end for Brentford and seen QPR move into Griffin Park. As with the Fulham rivalry, this fixture sees passions run high amongst both sets of supporters with local pride at stake.[14]

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #3 on May 18, 2012, 9:23am »

Cheers, no wonder they hate us then!

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #4 on May 18, 2012, 9:27am »

Ah, Brentford.

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Nice little club.

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #5 on May 18, 2012, 9:32am »

They have had a thread about as all season long on one of their message boards, they were distraught we stayed up. [image]

Think they're a little bit obsessed

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #6 on May 18, 2012, 10:25am »

What league do they play in these days?

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« Reply #7 on May 18, 2012, 10:33am »

If my memory is correct the deal was done for QPR to buy Brentford but was rejected by the FA or Football League after listening to fans protests. Brentford also managed to raise an emergency loan (the original deal was done in part because Brentford were in financial difficulties). Its easy to forget that Brentford were once a much bigger club playing in the old first division for much of the 1930s.

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #8 on May 18, 2012, 10:51am »

May 18, 2012, 10:25am, Zed wrote:

What league do they play in these days?

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #9 on May 18, 2012, 10:53am »

May 18, 2012, 10:33am, rangerray wrote:

Cheers Ray, I'd never heard of any of this.

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #10 on May 18, 2012, 11:03am »

Dennis Signy on the almost QPR-Brentford Merger

(From Vital QPR a couple years ago)

The Brentford Take-Over Saga

Dennis Signy OBE speaks to Vital QPR once more, about his time within Brentford and the possible take-over by Queens Park Rangers in 1967.

Signy who previous spoke to Vital QPR concerning his time under Jim Gregory and Alec Stock, now moves to speak about Rangers potential acquisition of Brentford in 1967 as well as John Lyall agreeing to manage Rangers.

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The biggest story of my career over 60 years in newspapers and football came in 1967 ... the QPR bid to take over Brentford.

The headline story went round the world yet, strangely for me, I did not write a word on the subject. I was general manager of Brentford at the time - in fact, I started the whole saga.

It was a chance remark I made to Jim Gregory that sparked off the soccer sensation of 1967. Billy Gray was my team manager at Brentford - having turned down an offer from Alec Stock to join him with Rangers - and he and I were standing in Ellerslie Road waiting for my wife to arrive for a game against Carlisle United, when we saw Jim.

The previous Saturday Bernard Joy, the famous ex-centre half who wrote so authoratively over the years for the Evening Standard, had produced a feature on the old theme of ground sharing and had linked Brentford and QPR as logical clubs to tie up.

Jim asked: 'How many do you think we'll get tonight?'

I told him: 'I don't know - about 18,000. If you were playing at Griffin Park you'd get 30,000' (in actual fact the gate was 19,146).

From that casual remark we progressed to a discussion on Joy's ground-sharing theme and, when Jim Gregory said that he might be interested in pursuing this further I said I would mention it to my chairman, Jack Dunnett, Brentford's MP chairman.

I did - and that started the train of events that led to the eventual take-over bid. The two chairmen went into the appeals of ground-sharing but moved on to discuss the possibility of Rangers buying the Brentford ground - capacity at the time 38,000.

Various idea were thrashed around by the two wealthy chairman, including Brentford using Griffin Park on alternate weeks as tenants of Rangers.

Homely Loftus Road, as I recorded at the time, was Rangers' 16th home and I dubbed them as veritable gypsies of the soccer scene in historical parlance - the happy wanderers.

I remember sitting in on some of the preliminary discussions as a modestly paid journalist who had moved into football management and knew more about headlines than balance sheets. I did understand, though, that both clubs were losing money heavily.

I was fascinated hearing sums of thousands and hundreds of thousands of pounds being bandied about between the Mayfair solicitor who was my chairman and the self-made millionaire from Rangers.

It was like Monopoly - with real money. I used to smile at being asked to intervene with important decisions.

The discussions evolved into this: - Rangers were to buy Griffin Park for £220,000 and were to sell Loftus Road to he council for £310,000. The £90,000 surplus was intended to be used to improve Griffin Park. I was to be in publicity and fund-raising projects.

What was not known even when the story broke in the newspapers and on radio and television was that the two clubs were UNDER CONTRACT. After he breakdown of the merger talks Jim Gregory had proposed to Jack Dunnett: 'We'll buy you out, shares, ground, the players, the lot'.

The deal was announced on Jim's 39th birthday. Alec Stock was to be overall manager and Billy Gray and Bill Dodgin the coaches. I, the ideas man of the project, was bombarded by telephone.

The Daily Mail headlined: 'Fans call it a sell -out'. The Daily Mirror: 'Goodbye, Brentford' .

The next crowd at Griffin Park was a best-of-season 10, 650 and the fans left us in no doubt what they thought of the idea. 'Who done it? Dunnett dunnit' was the poster I remember.

To cut it short, it never went through and I resigned some weeks later and Billy Gray followed me out of Griffin Park when Dunnett handed over to new chairman Ron Blindell.

Would it have been such a bad thing? I recall Alec Stock's words: 'This would be a great thing for us. If agreement is reached it will mean that we have a first-class ground for what is already a first-class team'. Jim Gregory said: 'Economically it was a good proposition for Rangers'...

http://www.qpr.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=118356#ixzz1vDa9J5Rv

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #11 on May 18, 2012, 11:05am »

And Video of Fans Protesting the Merger - Jan 1967

http://www.itnsource.com/en/shotlist/ITN....y%22&st=0& pn=1

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #12 on May 18, 2012, 11:33am »

Thanks Mac, although I think the main reason they don't like us now is jealousy, same as everyone else!

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #13 on May 18, 2012, 11:33am »

May 18, 2012, 10:51am, Jon Doeman wrote:

May 18, 2012, 10:25am, Zed wrote:

What league do they play in these days?

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Suits them.

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #14 on May 18, 2012, 11:42am »

Stevenage did the double over them [image]

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« Reply #15 on May 18, 2012, 12:33pm »

Always enjoy going to Brentford, pleasant little club. Plenty of pubs to choose from before and after a game.

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #16 on May 18, 2012, 2:04pm »

That's now the home end, is it not?

Pub on every corner, all shut or shite.

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« Reply #17 on May 18, 2012, 3:49pm »

brentford and orient have been the least ambitious of the London clubs, consequently believe the bees have lost a lot of potential support

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Re: Brentford
« Reply #18 on May 18, 2012, 4:13pm »

May 18, 2012, 2:04pm, cpr wrote:

That's now the home end, is it not?

Pub on every corner, all shut or shite.

New Inn ok. The Princess Royal toilet.

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« Reply #19 on May 18, 2012, 5:41pm »

Dunno if it's an urban legend but I grew up with tales of us lobbing a deactivated hand-grenade onto the pitch at Griffin Park during one game in 60s.

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« Reply #20 on May 18, 2012, 7:41pm »

Interesting that the delusion that a bigger ground means bigger gates - that capacity and attendance are the same thing, in other words - could be bandied around at a Club which had just returned to LR from the vast, empty Mausoleum of White City.

It may not have been quite as striking as our namesakes' Queens Park's experience at their home ground of Hampden, with average gates of 500 in a stadium with a record attendance of 149,500.

But it bloody well felt like it.

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« Reply #21 on May 18, 2012, 7:42pm »

I actually like Brentford as a Third team...wish them well as long as stay away from us...

Thanks for Andy Sinton!

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« Reply #22 on May 18, 2012, 7:48pm via the ProBoards Mobile App »

May 18, 2012, 7:42pm, Macmoish wrote:

I actually like Brentford as a Third team...wish them well as long as stay away from us...

Thanks for Andy Sinton!

Just out of curiosity who are your second team.

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May 18, 2012, 7:48pm, kempton ranger wrote:

May 18, 2012, 7:42pm, Macmoish wrote:

I actually like Brentford as a Third team...wish them well as long as stay away from us...

Thanks for Andy Sinton!

Just out of curiosity who are your second team.

Anyone but Chels***?

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« Reply #24 on May 18, 2012, 7:54pm »

It's really a question of who's playing who...

Of the other London clubs, I guess Spurs would be at the top, along with little Orient..and Chelsea of course at the bottom

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May 18, 2012, 7:54pm, Macmoish wrote:

It's really a question of who's playing who...

Of the other London clubs, I guess Spurs would be at the top, along with little Orient..and Chelsea of course at the bottom

If I am honest I have a soft spot for Arsene Wenger's Arsenal. Never liked them before that though , I guess it is Wenger I admire he has done lots for the Premier league and Arsenal.

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« Reply #26 on May 18, 2012, 8:01pm via the ProBoards Mobile App »

Second and third teams?

I just can't get my head round that concept.

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« Reply #27 on May 18, 2012, 8:04pm »

Ok...when QPR are out of the running for the Premiership Title - or are temporarily outside the Premiership, is there any team you want to do well, more than any other? (Or Mind less that they win, than any other)?

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May 18, 2012, 8:04pm, Macmoish wrote:

I guess most fans across the country are glad that City won the Championship this season but be side this season I have enjoyed watching Harry Redknapp's Tottenham and Arsenal. I think that when both teams are on song they are entertaining too watch.

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