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« Reply #180 on May 14, 2012, 3:28pm »


May 14, 2012, 2:45pm, alqpr81 wrote:
This is all getting way out of hand, and completely detracting from the fact that we should all be on cloud 9 after surviving! Not to mention only letting our guard down after we knew we were safe. For a team with our away record, what we did at the Etihad was almost nothing short of a miracle, and if our fans hadn't cheered after 94 mins, then probably would have been a miracle.

Barton had a violent reaction..but to be fair, the way most of you are carrying on, it's as if no other player in footballing history has ever done the same?

There's been other instances where some fans have called for a players head, not least of all Adel Taarabt after he threw a strop vs Hull last season and stormed off the pitch, and again this season when he left after the Fulham drubbing.

This - like anything - is one incident over a whole season where, by and large, Barton's actually been the model professional! He's one of the most kicked about players in the game, certainly watching us this season, and to be honest I'm not surprised he finally cracked.

This doesn't mean I support or condone his actions - it was very nearly a penalty and for all we knew at the time, Bolton may have gone onto win, and our heads may have dropped, not to mention the embarrassing follow up attacks on Aguerro and assorted other City players. I'm as disappointed as everyone else.

My point is just that I think we're all taking it to extremes a bit much - mainly because all the people who don't like Barton have had to keep quiet recently since his form finding final matches - and this one incident gives license for all the haters to come rushing back out again to slag him off for days on end.

He's clearly not a particularly nice chap, and has problems controlling his temper. But in all honesty, can people say he hasn't tried, or contributed to some of our latter successes?? Even when he was playing poorly, his work rate was second to none, and when Derry was playing like a rabbit caught in headlights every week, Barton was the one who was running his back side off covering for him.

So, all things considered, I don't think he deserves quite the level of angst that he's getting at the moment. Let's just have some faith in Hughes, Beard & Fernandes in dealing with it, and be the outcome what it may.

On top of it all, the fact that he'll be lucky to be available to play before the January window means his future as a QPR regular, certainly, is all but over. I'm sure the captaincy will be changed, and the Summer signings will probably push him further down the pecking order, especially if they gel well and perform.

As it stands at the moment, we'll have Diakite (I'm going to say that we will complete the permanent deal) and Faurlin starting matches anyway, so basically...let's just not worry about it!! It'll be dealt with.

There's so much to be happy and excited about, especially with the completed purchase of Warren Farm and the plans for it's development already in motion...when you consider everything that's opening up for us, is Joey Barton really worth all this attention?


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« Reply #181 on May 14, 2012, 3:30pm »

I also think it is a good post
And I also think Barton is a disgrace to the club

If Barton is going to start next season with a 10 game ban would people be happier for Buzz to play the first 10 games or to get rid of and sign somebody else
Faurin will be back but I think Derry will be released and we still need to sign Diakite
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« Reply #182 on May 14, 2012, 3:31pm »

Thanks guys! I'm glad I found my brain this week :)
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May 14, 2012, 3:30pm, andrewqpr wrote:
I also think it is a good post
And I also think Barton is a disgrace to the club

If Barton is going to start next season with a 10 game ban would people be happier for Buzz to play the first 10 games or to get rid of and sign somebody else
Faurin will be back but I think Derry will be released and we still need to sign Diakite


I'd actually really like to see if Akos can step up to the plate if he's given a run of matches. In his brief cameo's this season, he's shown glimspes of pure class, and at times not so pure..

But I remember when Sandro was introduced into Spurs 1st team not so long ago for Huddlestone, and was pretty pap. Now I think he's a terrific player week in week out.

I wonder if Buzsaky could show a similar sort of form if he plays regularly...a bit of a Rafael Van Der Vaart type lets say, since I've brought Spurs into this!

What I do think is that because pace isn't part of his game, he could last for quite a long time into his 30's, because that technique stays with you.
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I find this all very amusing how some people are reacting to a few people's views because our views happen to differ "mob mentality" .

This is no different to how footballers react in a game they surround the ref demanding justice all because someone has flung themselves to the ground and rolling around.

It seems to me Floridar you have spent to much time in the Americas and it is affecting your behaviour, I say this because you are acting like someone who is having a Latin strop?

Ohh and who did JB elbow and then Knee ? Ahhh that's right two world class strippers that when they don't get there own way they fly home and sulk.

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« Reply #185 on May 14, 2012, 3:36pm »

I'm sorry, whether he gets kicked about on the field or not, having read Barton's latest tweets I have made the decision the last chance saloon has well and truly gone.

To make poisonous and threatening comments towards Gary Lineker is unacceptable. I am fed up of the stuff he says on Twitter always making the newspaper headlines for the wrong reasons. It reflects on our club as a whole and this will continue to be the case whilst he's still here. Enough is enough.
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« Reply #186 on May 14, 2012, 3:40pm »

http://twitpic.com/9l0r6n

Finally, a sensible explanation.
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« Reply #187 on May 14, 2012, 3:44pm »


May 14, 2012, 3:40pm, bowranger wrote:
http://twitpic.com/9l0r6n

Finally, a sensible explanation.


Haha! That's brilliant! Bit of light entertainment for an afternoon :)
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« Reply #188 on May 14, 2012, 3:46pm »


May 14, 2012, 3:44pm, alqpr81 wrote:

May 14, 2012, 3:40pm, bowranger wrote:
http://twitpic.com/9l0r6n

Finally, a sensible explanation.


Haha! That's brilliant! Bit of light entertainment for an afternoon :)


Thought it was a funny take on it. Would wade in myself but I think you already pretty much nailed the Barton issue on the head very well.
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« Reply #189 on May 14, 2012, 3:50pm »

Had 36 hours off the board and came back to find a 7 page thread on Joey, QPR fans at each others throats and a general bad feeling instead of joy that we're still here. Odd.
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« Reply #190 on May 14, 2012, 3:51pm »

Thanks Bow...just felt it needed putting to bed tbh! Exactly as Alfa says...what on earth are we moaning about?!

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« Reply #191 on May 14, 2012, 4:05pm »

Barton is compounding his problem with his tweets. His behaviour was unacceptable and continues to be so. The punishment will come from two levels: the club and the FA. I will trust that both entities with hand out an appropriate punishment once the have all the information, most of which is prolly already available as it all happened in front of about 300 million people.

By tweeting the suggestion that there was a level of pre-meditation in his attempts to "take on of theirs with him" he has left the FA no choice but to include that in their assessment of the punishment and it will definitely be worse as a consequence.

Alqpr - Nice post earlier but you should have quit while you were ahead before suggesting Buzz should have a run in the team. We have stayed up on the turn of a single result this season so next season we will need to hit the ground running and that means using the best possible option in every position on the pitch from the very first game. We cannot afford to experiment with Buzz when he has not already shown enough quality at this level.
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« Reply #192 on May 14, 2012, 4:08pm »


May 14, 2012, 3:50pm, alfaranger wrote:
Had 36 hours off the board and came back to find a 7 page thread on Joey, QPR fans at each others throats and a general bad feeling instead of joy that we're still here. Odd.

Agreed alfa as you say at this time of celebration lets not be at each other's throats, let there be peace in W12 not war.
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« Reply #193 on May 14, 2012, 4:09pm »

Don't give him much time to respond

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The FA has today [Monday 14 May] charged Queens Park Rangers midfielder Joey Barton in relation to two acts of alleged violent conduct during Sunday’s match against Manchester City at the Etihad Stadium.

Following the player’s dismissal in the 54th minute of the fixture, there followed two incidents involving Manchester City’s Sergio Aguero and Vincent Kompany.

As Barton had already been dismissed, both of these incidents fell outside of the jurisdiction of the referee.

Barton has until 6pm on Tuesday 15 May to respond to the charges.


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« Reply #194 on May 14, 2012, 4:23pm »

How long does it take to reply, 'Guilty'?!
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« Reply #195 on May 14, 2012, 4:24pm »


May 14, 2012, 4:05pm, blatantfowl wrote:
Barton is compounding his problem with his tweets. His behaviour was unacceptable and continues to be so. The punishment will come from two levels: the club and the FA. I will trust that both entities with hand out an appropriate punishment once the have all the information, most of which is prolly already available as it all happened in front of about 300 million people.

By tweeting the suggestion that there was a level of pre-meditation in his attempts to "take on of theirs with him" he has left the FA no choice but to include that in their assessment of the punishment and it will definitely be worse as a consequence.

Alqpr - Nice post earlier but you should have quit while you were ahead before suggesting Buzz should have a run in the team. We have stayed up on the turn of a single result this season so next season we will need to hit the ground running and that means using the best possible option in every position on the pitch from the very first game. We cannot afford to experiment with Buzz when he has not already shown enough quality at this level.


I'm not sure I agree. Also I only said I wondered if, given a regular run, could he achieve consistently decent quality. I never said I expect this to happen. We already have better midfielders, and are sure to get more, I just think he's a gifted player in many ways, not to mention being our longest serving player.

However, so suggest we can't afford to experiment? Firstly, I reckon we'll be able to maintain at least a safe mid table position even with the current squad under Hughes, let alone after additions have been made. Secondly, if a club never experimented, how would any youth products come through? Or rotation signings shake off the rust?

David De Gea was a bit of a gamble, but Man U stuck with him and he's been developing well before they eyes of millions.. David Luiz was a liability when he 1st signed for Chelscum, and now he's a pretty good centre half. Sandro I mentioned earlier was poor when he started playing regularly...Oxlaide-Chamberlain needs regular football now etc etc.

Admittedly, these are all bigger clubs, but their aims are just as critical as ours, and since I don't believe we'll ever look like getting relegated next season, if anything I'd say it's the perfect time to experiment slightly, either early doors or towards the end of the season.
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« Reply #196 on May 14, 2012, 4:25pm »

...and the reason we stayed up by the skin of our teeth isn't the lack of quality in the squad, it's the situation we were led towards in January, which we had to be saved from. In my opinion.
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« Reply #197 on May 14, 2012, 4:26pm »

How long Mac does it take to respond with a one word (guilty) message?

Hope the book is throw at him, so even if the club struggle to get rid, he cannot possibly make the 25 man squad as he wouldn't be available for most of those pre January games.

The horrible little Barton has the world talking about his disgraceful behaviour instead of how QPR very very nearly got an incredible result at the Etihad.
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« Reply #198 on May 14, 2012, 4:28pm »

Well he definitely can't appeal the charge after saying on Twitter that after he got sent off he was trying to take a few Man City fans with him.
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« Reply #199 on May 14, 2012, 4:32pm »


May 14, 2012, 4:23pm, beanofire wrote:
How long does it take to reply, 'Guilty'?!


140 characters or less.
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« Reply #200 on May 14, 2012, 4:35pm »

Still on Barton but changing the tack slightly, it was interesting to hear Darren Gough saying on TalkSport within the last hour that although Barton is not much more than an ordinary Prem player, he is very good in the place kick situation. Hmmmm, now why haven't I noticed that particular skill this season?
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« Reply #201 on May 14, 2012, 4:39pm »

I take exception to fans suggesting criticisms of Barton and his behaviour are an "unmeasured response", and that somehow Barton is being victimised without considering other so-called hard men in the game. Due to Barton's actions at the City game he faces a lengthy ban and possible criminal charges. He's also making a series of poisonous and threatening comments to former professionals in the game who are entitled to their opinions. That's not how I want my club's captain to behave.

The Tevez situation may never have occurred had Barton kept his head, but instead lashed out with an elbow that he should know is a sending off offense. Why do it! It could have cost us our place in the Premiership. We as fans should be livid, not defending the indefensible.

I want the club to move forward but to me Barton is too much of a liability and his tweeting is a cause of great concern also. If my comments aren't a measured response there is no hope.
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« Reply #202 on May 14, 2012, 4:42pm »

He cerainly is not captain material. The obvious flaw he has explains why he is at Rangers and not a top four club.
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« Reply #203 on May 14, 2012, 4:51pm »


May 14, 2012, 4:25pm, alqpr81 wrote:
...and the reason we stayed up by the skin of our teeth isn't the lack of quality in the squad, it's the situation we were led towards in January, which we had to be saved from. In my opinion.


I see your point, it was just an idea you had. I think the future of Buzz probably deserves a thread in it's own right.

But for me experimenting means blooding youngsters into the team or gelling new signings. They both get a chance because...well it isn't really experimenting at all because it is actually a necessity to develop and improve a team. The examples you give back up what I am saying.

Sadly, Buzz does not fit this and has been given enough chances so IMO we already know he is not really good enough.

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« Reply #204 on May 14, 2012, 5:15pm »


May 14, 2012, 12:23pm, Macmoish wrote:
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SHAUN Derry has backed bad-boy skipper Joey Barton after his crazy red card in Sunday's defeat at Manchester City.

The QPR midfielder was sent-off for an elbow on Carlos Tevez, before kicking out at Sergio Aguero and attempting to headbutt Vincent Kompany.

Barton, who is now facing a lengthly ban, has apologised via Twitter, then launched a scathing attack on BBC pundit Alan Shearer.

However, Derry insists the incident shouldn't overshadow QPR's achievement of escaping the drop.

He said: “Joey's going to feel very bad about it, but we're a unit in there, through the good times and the bad times, throughout this season.

“Joey's right up there with us. I feel for him because he's made a stupid reaction.

“We understand his feelings. He's probably in a dark place at the minute but it's not about Joey Barton. It's about QPR and a group of guys.”


http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-...._medium=twitter


And this is why Derry should be captain instead of Barton. Or rather someone like Derry but with the legs still there. I really hope we keep Derry within the club when his playing career is over.
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« Reply #205 on May 14, 2012, 5:45pm »

http://mrjimmycorkhill.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/open-letter-to-joey-barton.html

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May 14, 2012, 3:35pm, kempton ranger wrote:
I find this all very amusing how some people are reacting to a few people's views because our views happen to differ "mob mentality" .

This is no different to how footballers react in a game they surround the ref demanding justice all because someone has flung themselves to the ground and rolling around.

It seems to me Floridar you have spent to much time in the Americas and it is affecting your behaviour, I say this because you are acting like someone who is having a Latin strop?

Ohh and who did JB elbow and then Knee ? Ahhh that's right two world class strippers that when they don't get there own way they fly home and sulk.

P.S For the record I not a pot bellied fan never will be I run a football team and have to set an example.


No offence but i wasn't singling you out as some kind of meat head supporter... I'll edit my post about that.


I also set an example and have coached/trained 90 teenagers in the past year.

At the end of the day Joey Barton had his time to help and be apart of a new QPR and his leadership and ' inspirational footballing ' nearly bought QPR to relegation and financial ruin this last weekend.

Bartons behaviour is scandalous and his actions on Saturday (+online fighting) showed that he doesn't care about QPR at all.
Why supporters can't see this is beyond me.

I just hope the FA don't find an excuse to dock points from QPR.

Overall QPR have been lucky to survive and I think its time now to reset and get a new leader and a fresh new look for next year teams.

Enough's Enough..


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May 14, 2012, 5:15pm, obk wrote:

May 14, 2012, 12:23pm, Macmoish wrote:
Jacob Murtagh/Fulham Chronicle

QPR midfielder defends bad-boy Barton

SHAUN Derry has backed bad-boy skipper Joey Barton after his crazy red card in Sunday's defeat at Manchester City.

The QPR midfielder was sent-off for an elbow on Carlos Tevez, before kicking out at Sergio Aguero and attempting to headbutt Vincent Kompany.

Barton, who is now facing a lengthly ban, has apologised via Twitter, then launched a scathing attack on BBC pundit Alan Shearer.

However, Derry insists the incident shouldn't overshadow QPR's achievement of escaping the drop.

He said: “Joey's going to feel very bad about it, but we're a unit in there, through the good times and the bad times, throughout this season.

“Joey's right up there with us. I feel for him because he's made a stupid reaction.

“We understand his feelings. He's probably in a dark place at the minute but it's not about Joey Barton. It's about QPR and a group of guys.”


http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-...._medium=twitter


And this is why Derry should be captain instead of Barton. Or rather someone like Derry but with the legs still there. I really hope we keep Derry within the club when his playing career is over.


Don't really think Derry's comments are such that it reflects his potential to be a captain. He's just sticking up for a fellow teammate. Creating a united front... emphasizing the importance of being a team, a unit, of which Barton is seen by his fellow teammates as an integral cog within that unit. It's just the usual stuff designed to deflate the situation and to focus on the team.

Derry, decent bloke an all that, but he won't be playing in the Premier League for QPR next season. Whether or not he'll have a coaching role is debateable too. The coaching staff Mark Hughes has assembled have followed him around from club to club. I suspect derry will be shown the door in the summer along with Buzsaky, Clint Hill and a few of the other fan favourites.
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« Reply #208 on May 14, 2012, 5:55pm »

Have read some more of his tweets & have put them & his action in some sort of order to make some sense of them & it makes no sense!!! I'm serious he needs somekind of help because I think he has a mental health problem I really do!!
Looking at the actions IE the elbow, kick, headbutt & still wanting to fight after that!!! Then the tweets. He was sorry but didn't lose his head! Was asked by another player to take one of theres out!!?? I have no doubt no one other than him would ever say that!! (But in his mad mind I actually think he thought he heard it!!) The having a pop at Gary Lineker as he has "stuff" on him!!?? Oh & re open the war with Shearer!!!...............I'm telling you he is F##ked up!! Needs to leave football & get help & QUICK!!!
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May 14, 2012, 5:54pm, qprthinker wrote:

May 14, 2012, 5:15pm, obk wrote:


And this is why Derry should be captain instead of Barton. Or rather someone like Derry but with the legs still there. I really hope we keep Derry within the club when his playing career is over.


Don't really think Derry's comments are such that it reflects his potential to be a captain. He's just sticking up for a fellow teammate. Creating a united front... emphasizing the importance of being a team, a unit, of which Barton is seen by his fellow teammates as an integral cog within that unit. It's just the usual stuff designed to deflate the situation and to focus on the team.

Derry, decent bloke an all that, but he won't be playing in the Premier League for QPR next season. Whether or not he'll have a coaching role is debateable too. The coaching staff Mark Hughes has assembled have followed him around from club to club. I suspect derry will be shown the door in the summer along with Buzsaky, Clint Hill and a few of the other fan favourites.


And that's the point, the exact things a captain should be doing. But I agree he is not good enough as a player anymore.
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