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« Reply #30 on Apr 13, 2012, 10:14am via the ProBoards Mobile App » | |
Apr 13, 2012, 10:05am, mikehunt wrote:99%of the stewards dont tell no-one nothing kempt mate, they have to get the filth to do it.
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One thing is certain in this and that is we are all unanimous in that it not acceptable around younger spectators the future of the club.
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« Reply #31 on Apr 13, 2012, 11:07am » | |
These blokes sound particularly vile and I`m glad this gent has complained, but frankly, in my opinion the Family Stand is a bit of a joke anyway. Sound travels, and anyone in that stand can hear every chant from our noisy corner, including such much-loved ditties as "F*** Off Chelsea, West London is Ours", We`ll never be mastered,by no Chelsea bastards", W*nker,W*nker,W*nker!" and so on. The song chanted at Wayne Rooney this year about his Nan`s sexual tastes was quite funny, but you wouldn`t want to explain it to your eight year old .
I liked those ads addressing this issue that showed men yelling swear words in a classroom- perhaps they should show them again,which might empower people in the family stand,at least, to challenge such behaviour.
I have sat all over the ground and you do unfortunately find some pretty unpleasant types in different areas. To me the c-word crosses the line, and that seems commoner these days. It feels stronger than w***** so might be more satisfying as an insult but it is also uniquely offensive and aggressive towards women. It is just ugly. Perhaps some men think its ok to offend women now that racial abuse is beyond the pale. Heaven help the first gay player to come out.
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« Reply #32 on Apr 13, 2012, 7:43pm » | |
Hi blatantfoul, I am a casual viewer of this message board and was not even signed up until today. Looking at the threads last night I came across yours and it led me to have to join so i could reply to your comments in defence of the guys you are not telling the truth about. I sit in the lower loft as a season ticket holder, and stood also where i now sit before seating from the mid 70's since my brother took me his little sister to my first match. I believe I know the guys you are talking about, as I have sat and stood very near to them for years. They are a group of friends who have supported the club at least as long as I have and some would seem longer still. I believe them to be season ticket holders as they are present at nearly all games in the same seats. I have seen them there in the darkest days of GM Motors defeat, and all the few good times too. They are as loyal as they come, not twice a season when I feel like people. They have made us around them laugh in stiches at times with their banter, Never do they attack their own fans as you described, the 'sit down' jibe has been a running joke in that area for years, we use it on them too when they get up, they did not spout any sexist, or racist comments on wed' night, they never have. And as for the anti welsh stuff, you will find that that was due to some other bloke sitting alone who to my knowledge was no regular, it was the first time I had seen him, maybe one of those twice a season type. I am a women who over the years have heard it all down there, as a child, teen, and adult, from all over the ground, never have I had to go running home upset as you have. I love it cause its a man's game, God forbid it should go soft, please grow some ... you are a man after all !!
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« Reply #33 on Apr 13, 2012, 7:50pm » | |
Firstly welcome to the site lowerloftgirl
I hate it when people bring out the loyal supporter argument in situations like these. Just because they've been sitting there for years and years doesn't excuse them from mouthing off in front of kids. Lower Loft is meant to be a family area and the OP wasn't complaining about his own personal experience, it was his son who he was worried about. If he felt it was an intimidating place for 8 year old son to be then is perfectly entitled to complain.
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« Reply #34 on Apr 13, 2012, 8:04pm » | |
Thank you for the welcome Rory, the simple fact is that it is not how he has described, the facts are very different. These guys have been found guilty by a hang 'em posse ( my dad used to make me westerns ), someone comes on this site and says its the way it was, and thats it, guilty guilty guilty !! I just had to put the other side up in respect of fairness. And at the spurs game if they are there ( and i'm sure they will be ), I will be informing them of this, if they are not aware. I have never had a problem with them or any other group in the loft, and have no problem with my two boys who attend with me.
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« Reply #35 on Apr 13, 2012, 8:05pm via the ProBoards Mobile App » | |
FairPlay lowerloft but I for one do not condone their ignorance to the young spectator within earshot of their banter. I too stood in lowerloft when it was standing but I was a late teen. Times and Loftus rd have since moved on, if we are as a club to go forward which i have no doubt TF and AB vision is to progress then we have to "meaning us adults" show respect and not necessarily contain our enthusiasm but be aware of who is around us. I am not trying to water it down "not at all" but there should be an area where we parents can bring the future supporters without having to cringe when some person starts effing and blinding and it just so happens that QPR promote where you happen to sit as the family enclosure so the onus is on you and the other regulars to be have in such a way that the club promotes lowerloft. No
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« Reply #37 on Apr 13, 2012, 8:17pm » | |
Thanks Rory, lets hope we can let everyone know we beat WBA too !!
Hi Kempton, I agree with much, but please understand the guy has it wrong to focus on that group, they did not, and do not as far as I have witnessed done what they have been accused of. The real foul mouth stuff came from as I said some once in a while type, never seen him before, looked more like a rugby fan !!
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« Reply #38 on Apr 13, 2012, 8:29pm via the ProBoards Mobile App » | |
Apr 13, 2012, 8:17pm, lowerloftgirl wrote:Thanks Rory, lets hope we can let everyone know we beat WBA too !!
Hi Kempton, I agree with much, but please understand the guy has it wrong to focus on that group, they did not, and do not as far as I have witnessed done what they have been accused of. The real foul mouth stuff came from as I said some once in a while type, never seen him before, looked more like a rugby fan !! |
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Lowerloft I am sitting in the lower loft for the spurs game with my 8 yr old I hope you are right. I can tell you this much that despite the language from some , it will not spoil our evening. But however if you do have some influence over them "the season ticket holders" that you see at every home game then it would be appreciated by those parents around you if you could remind them of there behaviour.
P.S welcome to the board
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« Reply #39 on Apr 13, 2012, 9:01pm » | |
Kempton, I have no influence over them, they are just a nice set of blokes, as are the vast majority of the people around us. I have nothing to remind them of as they have never given me cause too, and trust me I would. And as I stressed earlier, the originator has it wrong, he is blaming them for someone else's deeds. Enjoy the game with yours, as I will with mine. 
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« Reply #40 on Apr 13, 2012, 9:05pm » | |
Of course they could be completely different people that we are talking about haha.
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« Reply #41 on Apr 13, 2012, 9:08pm » | |
I know exactly the group you are talking about & can report that I too have in the past been intimidated by their language & manner at matches.......................
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« Reply #42 on Apr 13, 2012, 9:15pm » | |
KLR Yes thats them ......................LOL 
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« Reply #43 on Apr 13, 2012, 10:07pm » | |
I sat in NL last year and currently in PL this season and I must admit the language can be blue at times. My main gripe with the Lower Loft being the family area is the lack of protection from the elements - Not nice seeing children getting drenched when it should be a fun day out.
The only time that got out of hand was against Leeds when emotions were running high and a Rangers supporter/s in NL turned against one another and all got out of hand. I must say it took some convincing to get the stewards to sort it all out and eject those responsible.
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« Reply #44 on Apr 13, 2012, 10:19pm » | |
I am sorry you feel that way lowerloftgirl but I stand by what I have said as a true record of the experience my son and I had. I am not a liar and I do not know what possible motivation you think I could have for not telling the truth. I could understand if you just said I was mistaken but unfortunately I definitely am not. Had I been on my own or in a non-family area I would not have raised this point and I am damn well sure that I have every right to state my case.
There is no case of mistaken identity. I know which one shouted that the Ref was a c*nt and that he hated Welsh c*nts. I also know which one shouted that Nathan Dyer was a f*cking paedophile. My boy heard all that. It is true that I do not know if any one of them is a regular or not but I have made the judgement that they knew each other from their familiarity with each other.
Seriously, please, think about those words! Think about what you saying.What is it about shouting this in front of a kid is acceptable or makes you a man?
I am trying to make you consider your assessment of my manhood. I don't think shouting c*nt in front of a kid makes you a man, far from it. But if your suggestion is that I do not go often enough to have the right to complain then you have me there, although I am not really sure you understand what you were saying when you write that either.
You have PM'd me to apologise and I will most certainly not. I will not be intimidated into saying black is white.
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« Reply #45 on Apr 13, 2012, 10:29pm » | |
I hate it when people use the C word at games, and it is just moronic when it is in the family stand. Have some class for gods sake. 
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« Reply #46 on Apr 13, 2012, 10:32pm » | |
Apr 13, 2012, 10:19pm, blatantfowl wrote:I am sorry you feel that way lowerloftgirl but I stand by what I have said as a true record of the experience my son and I had. I am not a liar and I do not know what possible motivation you think I could have for not telling the truth. I could understand if you just said I was mistaken but unfortunately I definitely am not. Had I been on my own or in a non-family area I would not have raised this point and I am damn well sure that I have every right to state my case.
There is no case of mistaken identity. I know which one shouted that the Ref was a c*nt and that he hated Welsh c*nts. I also know which one shouted that Nathan Dyer was a f*cking paedophile. My boy heard all that. It is true that I do not know if any one of them is a regular or not but I have made the judgement that they knew each other from their familiarity with each other.
Seriously, please, think about those words! Think about what you saying.What is it about shouting this in front of a kid is acceptable or makes you a man?
I am trying to make you consider your assessment of my manhood. I don't think shouting c*nt in front of a kid makes you a man, far from it. But if your suggestion is that I do not go often enough to have the right to complain then you have me there, although I am not really sure you understand what you were saying when you write that either.
You have PM'd me to apologise and I will most certainly not. I will not be intimidated into saying black is white. |
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did lowerloftgirl pm you and suggested that you apologise for your original post?
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« Reply #47 on Apr 13, 2012, 10:35pm » | |
Think you have a fair arguement blatant, never liked the C word rammed down my kids throats over the years , in fairness only on one or two occasions did i ever get really peeved and took people up on it, i found 99% of the time people around you do respect youve got kids with you which is nice ., had on numerous occasions people give my kids sweets and stuff that i didnt even know.
Its all about give and take within reason , we are a family Club but its like any walk of live there will always be the odd exception .
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« Reply #48 on Apr 13, 2012, 10:45pm » | |
we all like a laugh and a joke and sometimes i find myself swearing..out of frustration... and i am in r block....with my kids...and they do not like it.
but to choose to go in a family section you would expect a decent level of banter, and certainly not intimidation or excessive swearing...the club put it over on the tannoy enough aimed at the family section before kick off.
these people who blatantfowl is referring to need to look around them and consider if THEY are seated in the correct area.
p,s .......i do believe what you have said blatant
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« Reply #49 on Apr 14, 2012, 12:57am » | |
Apr 13, 2012, 10:32pm, maudesfishnchips wrote:
Apr 13, 2012, 10:19pm, blatantfowl wrote:I am sorry you feel that way lowerloftgirl but I stand by what I have said as a true record of the experience my son and I had. I am not a liar and I do not know what possible motivation you think I could have for not telling the truth. I could understand if you just said I was mistaken but unfortunately I definitely am not. Had I been on my own or in a non-family area I would not have raised this point and I am damn well sure that I have every right to state my case.
There is no case of mistaken identity. I know which one shouted that the Ref was a c*nt and that he hated Welsh c*nts. I also know which one shouted that Nathan Dyer was a f*cking paedophile. My boy heard all that. It is true that I do not know if any one of them is a regular or not but I have made the judgement that they knew each other from their familiarity with each other.
Seriously, please, think about those words! Think about what you saying.What is it about shouting this in front of a kid is acceptable or makes you a man?
I am trying to make you consider your assessment of my manhood. I don't think shouting c*nt in front of a kid makes you a man, far from it. But if your suggestion is that I do not go often enough to have the right to complain then you have me there, although I am not really sure you understand what you were saying when you write that either.
You have PM'd me to apologise and I will most certainly not. I will not be intimidated into saying black is white. |
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did lowerloftgirl pm you and suggested that you apologise for your original post? |
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Yes she did ask me to apologise by PM.
and what is more I hope lowerloftgirls statement that she will be making these guys aware at the next game is not a threat to make me shut up.
If their awareness is the catalyst to them changing their behaviour then I welcome it. If it is a further attempt to intimidate me then I will not stop at the club and will take it further. I will not be threatened into silence when I know in every part of me that I am right to have found this experience unacceptable.
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« Reply #50 on Apr 14, 2012, 1:17am » | |
Apr 14, 2012, 12:57am, blatantfowl wrote:
Apr 13, 2012, 10:32pm, maudesfishnchips wrote:
did lowerloftgirl pm you and suggested that you apologise for your original post? |
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Yes she did ask me to apologise by PM.
and what is more I hope lowerloftgirls statement that she will be making these guys aware at the next game is not a threat to make me shut up.
If their awareness is the catalyst to them changing their behaviour then I welcome it. If it is a further attempt to intimidate me then I will not stop at the club and will take it further. I will not be threatened into silence when I know in every part of me that I am right to have found this experience unacceptable. |
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I'm with you blatant. It is just unacceptable language in a family section full stop.
Anyone condoning such language in family areeas with 8-year olds present needs to take a hard look at themselves and go sit elsewhere.
Its not a thing about being a man or not its just unacceptable. If anything, I would question the manliness of those swearing like that in hearing distance of 8-year olds!!
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« Reply #51 on Apr 14, 2012, 1:27am » | |
Hi Blatant and welcome Lowerloftgirl,
Obviously i wasn't there so i can't comment personally.However last year i came home for Xmas and took my lad to the Rangers v Bristol City game and we were up the South Africa Road stand(just where my Dad used to take me in the seventies).We heard lots of bad stuff but my lad was so focused on the game it was all water off a ducks back to him and he didn't really hear it. I think realistically if you take your kid to a top leagues football match nowadays your naive if you think there is going to be no bad language heard,(i am just as guilty as anybody with ''minor'' swear words) but in a family enclosure i think the rules are slightly different and people should try and respect that, and if it is the case maybe they should re-locate themselves to other parts of the ground.
By the way Lowerloft girl keep posting we need more females on this board. 
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Jay
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« Reply #52 on Apr 14, 2012, 7:59am » | |
Well done for following up the complaint with the club Blatant.
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« Reply #53 on Apr 14, 2012, 8:38am » | |
It is a stupid idea to have the family area right next to the blocks that start the loudest and sometimes sweariest (if that's even a word) songs.
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« Reply #54 on Apr 14, 2012, 8:51am » | |
Sure can find other Official Club Pronouncement re Tolerable language (and behaviour) - (This does not focus on the issue of just bad language/swearing)
This from the QPR Statement in January
YOUR BEHAVIOUR - A REMINDER
Posted on: Thu 26 Jan 2012
Queens Park Rangers Football Club is committed to confronting and eliminating discrimination, whether by reason of race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, age, ethnic and national origin, disability, nationality, religion or belief or gender reassignment.
The Club is proud of the atmosphere we have at Loftus Road and by working together we can stop any discrimination or behavior that has no place in football.
Loftus Road is governed by Ground Regulations and we would like to remind all visitors that by entering the ground they are agreeing to abide by these rules.
Entry to the Ground is expressly subject to acceptance by the visitor of these Ground Regulations and the rules and regulations of FIFA, UEFA, The Football Association, The Premier League and The Football League in respect of the relevant competition. The Ground Regulations incorporate the Club's Customer Charter (if any). Entry to the Ground shall constitute acceptance of the Ground Regulations.
Racial, homophobic or discriminatory abuse, chanting or harassment is strictly forbidden and will result in arrest and / or ejection from the Ground, and in addition the Club will impose a ban for one or more matches.
QPR will not tolerate sexual or racially based harassment, or other discriminatory behaviour, whether physical or verbal and where required we will work in full co-operation with the Metropolitan Police to provide CCTV footage and staff statements to ensure prosecution.
Any actions that lead to prosecution or removal from the ground will result in a ban.
No supporter needs to tolerate discrimination of any kind at Loftus Road, on the pitch or in the stands. If you experience any form of discrimination, help us to eliminate it from football. Please report this to the Club by texting the Matchday Control Room on 07557 435421. We will treat your correspondence in strictest confidence
http://www.qpr.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10373~2583501,00.html
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« Reply #55 on Apr 14, 2012, 8:54am » | |
Queens Park Rangers FC Case Study
Queens Park Rangers W12 executive suites, which provide panoramic views of the pitch, are amongst some of the best hospitality suites available. Queens Park Rangers wanted to promote those VIP boxes to their existing fans while trying to build up their mobile database.
Synergize IT implemented an SMS campaign, which was promoted online at www.qpr.co.uk and via channels on match day, whereby fans could text-in to win 2 tickets with hospitality for the next home game. This met QPR’s objective to promote thier hospitality packages and also allowed them to enage with the fans by using QPR TV to show the winners enjoying the game in style.
QPR fans simply texted in their name to a dedicated keyword (QPR) over a 4-day period. The campaign resulted in QPR receiving exposure of their W12 suites while also receiving additional mobile data to the QPR mobile database for future commercial messages.
QPR also approached Synergize IT regarding a trial SMS campaign to tackle Abusive and Foul Language. Synergize IT set up a service QPR ABUSE where fans could text in to report repeat offenders of abusive behaviour. Once received the message would then be forwarded to the appointed head steward who would co-ordinate a steward in the received stand area. This is a real first for a football club and shows QPR taking important steps to deal with this problem.
http://www.synergizeit.com/products/queens-park-rangers-fc-case-study/
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« Reply #56 on Apr 14, 2012, 8:57am » | |
When was that case study dated Mac ?
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« Reply #57 on Apr 14, 2012, 9:02am » | |
Apr 14, 2012, 8:57am, harlowranger wrote:| When was that case study dated Mac ? |
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Can't swear to it: But a different part of that site says:
12/2009 – Queens Park Rangers
Synergize IT launched a trial with QPR including an SMS Abuse Campaign whereby fans can text in to the club repeat offenders of abusive behaviour. QPR used Synergize IT’s Mobile Vote product with automated response services.
http://www.synergizeit.com/resources/news-events/
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« Reply #58 on Apr 14, 2012, 10:00am » | |
Apr 13, 2012, 10:29pm, andygg wrote:| I hate it when people use the C word at games, and it is just moronic when it is in the family stand. Have some class for gods sake. |
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I'm sure no QPR fan would ever say "Chelsea" at a game??
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« Reply #59 on Apr 14, 2012, 10:07am » | |
You have every right not to be happy putting up with that nonsense in the family section and I would hope that the club react to your complaint and deal with it in the correct manner.
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