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« Reply #30 on Feb 6, 2012, 4:27pm » | |
Attorney General statement re Bartons twits on Terry incident:
In this instance the Attorney General has decided that no action is necessary.
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« Reply #31 on Feb 6, 2012, 4:38pm » | |
Yet another positive!!!!
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« Reply #32 on Feb 6, 2012, 4:47pm » | |
3 points on Saturday will work wonders for my positivity mate. And as you said on another thread we'll win, so that is good enough for me. ![[image]](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png "[image]")
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« Reply #33 on Feb 6, 2012, 4:56pm » | |
West London Sport No action over QPR man’s Terry tweets
06/02/2012
by West London Sport
The Attorney General’s office will not be taking action over Joey Barton’s recent posts on Twitter relating to the John Terry case.
Barton made a number of comments about the Chelsea captain, who will stand trial in July after being accused of racially abusing QPR’s Anton Ferdinand. Terry strongly denies doing so.
Rangers manager Mark Hughes had indicated that he planned to speak to Barton about his remarks.
http://www.westlondonsport.com/west-lond....s-terry-tweets/
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« Reply #34 on Feb 6, 2012, 7:37pm » | |
Notice one thing: Mr. Barton is very happy to dish it out in his tweets. But he sure doesn't seen to relish being critcized in responding tweets....
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« Reply #35 on Feb 6, 2012, 7:42pm » | |
School bully type then?
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« Reply #36 on Feb 6, 2012, 8:40pm » | |
@Joey7BartonJoseph Barton
Thankfully the attorney general has a lot more sense than a majority of scandalous tabloid so called journalists. #helmets
1 hour ago via Twitter for iPhone
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Obviously past few days have been No Sweat of Joeys Brow ... Ssssuch a Loser.
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« Reply #37 on Feb 7, 2012, 9:03am » | |
Beyond Barton, it's just an interesting issue re tweeting/speaking out. Obviously applies to messageboards as well. Which is why during "THE TRIAL" people were rightly very circumspect.
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Joey Barton playing for Newcastle United in August 2011. The midfielder took to Twitter to describe his role in catching a burglar. Photograph: Paul Mcfegan/Sportsphoto Ltd./Allstar
The news that Joey Barton will escape prosecution for contempt of court over his tweets about John Terry's trial, is more by luck than by design.
Barton, never at a loss for words, made his views on the Terry case very plain in a series of robust tweets on Friday evening. It was clear he thought Terry's would be a jury trial. The fact that it will be held at a magistrates court, whose justices and district judges are regarded as harder to sway than a jury, might save Barton an appearance in the dock himself. The attorney general, Dominic Grieve, by not taking action in this instance, seems to have taken the view that his tweets have not caused a serious impediment to John Terry's case by influencing a witness.
However, this latest example of the use of social media potentially leading to a contempt of court should sound alarm bells at the Ministry of Justice, because the attorney general faces a potentially serious challenge to the ability of the courts to give people a fair trial. It is only a matter of time before someone with as many followers as Barton - almost 1.2m, at the last count - and as loose a grasp of the law causes the collapse of a crown court trial.
The law on contempt, as enacted in 1981, places the burden on the publisher not to cause a substantial risk of serious prejudice to active proceedings – "active" being as soon as someone is arrested, or a warrant is issued for their arrest. Back then publishers were invariably established media – newspapers and broadcasters. They know how to avoid contempt, and they pay the often very heavy price when they stray across the line. The Sun, Mirror, and Daily Mail have all faced actions over the past year after having published prejudicial material, in print or online. But as Barton's tweets (now deleted) showed, he had no knowledge of contempt law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and the fact contempt is a strict liability offence also removes Barton's intent from the equation in any potential prosecution too.
Being pragmatic, though, does Dominic Grieve really want to allow a situation to continue where the tweets of a celebrity or sports star with a million-plus followers bring a high-profile trial to a halt, at great cost to the taxpayer? Prejudicial conversations about ongoing trials which were once confined to the dinner table, pub or dressing room are now conducted with an online audience of millions.
In portraying himself as a martyr for free speech, Barton unfortunately fails to recognise the competing right to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence that is central to that right. The Law Commission is looking at how to deal with contempt by publication on the internet, but work does not start on that until 2014, with a report due in winter 2016. By that time Twitter may be dead and buried and new forms of social media throwing down newer challenges to the judicial system.
What is needed now is a more proactive approach than simply bringing prosecutions, as Grieve has shown himself willing to do. That concentrates the minds of newspaper editors, but it will not prevent the sort of contempt that Barton flirted with on Friday evening. The Ministry of Justice cannot police Twitter and other social media, but what it can do is make the public more aware of the right to a fair trial and how that can be put in jeopardy. A campaign of public information, waged on the very social media that can prejudice a trial, might go some way to preventing public figures with large followings damaging a defendant's right to a fair trial.
This article was updated to reflect the attorney general's decision not to take action at 16.58 on 6 February 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/feb/06/time-to-educate-about-contempt-law
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« Reply #38 on Feb 7, 2012, 9:31am » | |
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Joey Barton's tweets 'would not jeopardise' John Terry case says Attorney General
Attorney General Dominic Grieve has defended his decision not to prosecute footballer Joey Barton for a series of online comments about John Terry ahead of his trial, insisting they would not jeopardise the case.
Under review: Joey Barton made a series of robust observations about the John Terry racism affair Photo: ACTION IMAGES
By Telegraph staff and agencies9:24AM GMT 07 Feb 2012Comment
The Queens Park Rangers midfielder posted the remarks on Twitter on Friday after Terry, who has been accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, was stripped of the England captaincy.
Mr Grieve said comments made "in bad taste" on Twitter were "neither here nor there" and would be judged only on whether they would prejudice a fair hearing.
"As far as I could see, in this particular case, whatever Mr Barton had been doing didn't seem to me, on the facts, to amount to creating the risk we have just been talking about," he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.
"I think it is a matter of common sense. If people put out into the public domain by publishing or by broadcasting material that might influence or prejudice the course of a trial by putting background material out that is prejudicial and irrelevant to the trial process then that has the capacity to create the risk.
"Mere invective or unpleasantness doesn't necessarily meet that test, though in some circumstances it could."
The Attorney General's office was reviewing Barton's comments on Twitter over the John Terry racism saga.
Following the stripping of the England captaincy from Terry, Barton took to the micro-blogging website to give his take on the matter.
The Chelsea captain had his country's armband taken from him for a second time in the wake of an allegation of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand during a match at QPR last year.
Terry, who denies the charge, will stand trial in July, just a matter of days after Euro 2012 finishes.
Barton, who was playing in the match at Loftus Road in October, has defended his comments on the grounds of free speech.
Dominic Grieve QC is the current Attorney General. He is the Government's senior law officer and part of his remit is to make sure people facing criminal allegations receive a fair trial.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footbal....ey-General.html
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Attorney General Dominic Grieve has defended the UK's contempt of court laws after deciding not to prosecute footballer Joey Barton for his recent Twitter comments.
Mr Barton tweeted a series of comments regarding the impending court case of John Terry, raising concerns that he might prejudice the trial.
But Mr Grieve said he was satisfied the trial would not be compromised.
He also said contempt laws work "perfectly well" as they currently are.
Mr Terry will stand trial for alleged racist abuse in July for allegedly making racist comments towards Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand in a league match on 23 October 2011.
He has pleaded not guilty and will stand trial on 9 July. As a summary offence under the Crime and Disorder Act, it will be fully heard in a magistrates' court.
The attorney general said he did not consider Mr Barton's tweets had created a risk of prejudice in Mr Terry's trial. Mr Barton has 1.2m followers on his Twitter account.
The Contempt of Court Act 1981 states that once someone is arrested or charged, there should be no public comments about them which could risk seriously prejudicing their trial.
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Mr Grieve was asked on the Today programme whether the rise of social media sites on the internet means current contempt of court laws could no longer function.
"I think contempt laws can work perfectly well. It was never the object of contempt laws that it was going to stop every piece of tittle tattle round a dinner table or in a pub. That's not possible.
"The question is whether the environment in which a fair trial can take place can be preserved and protected."
Mr Grieve said people were prevented from putting out background material into the public domain prior to a trial being heard, which might prejudice or influence proceedings.
"Mere invective or unpleasantness doesn't necessarily meet that test," he added. "Although in some circumstances it could. I have to take a judgement on a case by case basis."
He continued: "As far as I could see, in this particular case, whatever Mr Barton had been doing didn't seem to me, on the facts, to amount to creating the risk we have just been talking about."
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« Reply #40 on Feb 7, 2012, 10:49am » | |
Couldn't give a monkeys about his tweeting, just want him to help us win games.
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« Reply #41 on Feb 7, 2012, 11:17am » | |
Personally I find the twitter thing a bit of an irrelevant 'fad' and cannot quite understand its appeal, however like the rest of social networking it is here and attempting to apply controls that were designed for slower and restricted forms of communication are doomed to failure. To some extent the proof of the pudding is the number of posts that emanate frm someone reading a 'tweet' on here and other sites too.
I can understand why people in the public eye find it appealing as it enables them instantly to either rebut stories that appear about them in the mainstream media and to some degree control some aspects of coverage by provoking a tabloid reaction then responding in an attempt to undermine the news story. Whether this is entirely a successful strategy or not is open to debate.
In respect of this specific case, I must admit that when I read it I did not see anything wrong in what was said. It is quite ridiculous that in one case where there is no doubt the victim heard what was said because they reported it, the FA reacted swiftly and dealt with it imposing a strong penalty. In the other, it is not clear whether the victim heard what was said, it is not clear whether the victim reported it, yet it seems that the matter must be heard in a criminal court rather than be dealt with by the body responsible for conduct within the sport.
I do not for one moment suggest that the alleged behaviour is acceptable and I do believe that if proved deserve a serious sanction, however in reality given the likely sanctions that a court of law could impose and the impact on any miscreant and the impact of sanctions that the responsible body could impose I am left wondering what would have been the best and most appropriate route to take.
Is that a reasonable issue to debate? I think it is, does such a debate have a prejudicial effect on criminal proceedings? Why should it? I have lost count of the number of people that have stated in the press 'on the record' as to whether the person concerned is a 'racist' are they all in contempt of court, what about all the posters that have made derogatory comments about the individual that could be said to be prejudicial to his character? Are they in contempt?
I have read and re-read the post here that sets out Bartons 'tweet' and cannot see that he has said anything that hundreds of people have probably said anyway, some will agree and some disagree but there is nothing awful or prejudicial in what he says.
I do not know whether Mr Barton is a nice person or a bad person, reformed character or unreformed because I have never met him or spent suffficient time in his company to form a view. I only know what I read and hear, some of it is factual and does not sound good, but that is really the sum of my knowledge.
If he wishes to broadcast his views on a variety of topics then so be it, I may not like some of it, but then the problem of free speech is that often that will be the case. Of course there needs to be some limit, such as compliance with the law of the land but it is a little ironic that people use the medium of a message board that is (quite rightly) a medium that incorporates a huge range of views, opinions, facts and sometimes misinformation (either intentionally or unintentionally) to seek to stop another person expressing opinions or views openly using similar technology!
How much of this is because there is a dislike of Mr Barton as an individual either because of his past reputation and perceptions about him or perhaps because he has not met the expectations of supporters on the pitch? In other words if he was man of the match every week and the team was winning and Barton was forever stating undying love for the club would the attacks on him be so pointed?
There are many aspects of the modern game that I find personally distasteful, the sums of money involved, the naked greed and self promotion of many, not just the players, leaves me cold, however in this case, Barton seems to have summed up in a concise way a number of sensible points about this affair and is actually not a bad read and very relevant.
Absolutely no one has benefitted from the way this has been dragged out, either on an individual basis, for either of the clubs involved, the Premier League, the FA as governing body, the Prosecuting Authorities who took so long over a matter that happened in seconds and for which there was video evidence and statements in the aftermath by the person subject of the allegations and lastly the court system that I suspect are generally not quite so accomodating in setting trial dates for cases of this type. None of this means that the trial process itself will be anything less than fair but it is the issue of how we got there and the consequences outside of that process that is at the heart of what Barton is talking about.
All Barton has done it seems to me is highlight how a failure to act with clarity and act decisively in the first instance has led to much more collatoral damage that was either necessary or desirable.
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« Reply #42 on Feb 7, 2012, 2:01pm » | |
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David Beckham slams Joey Barton's online rant branding H&M underwear 'sweat shop gruds' By Lucy Buckland
Last updated at 1:12 PM on 7th February 2012
Footballer Joey Barton is no stranger to a Twitter row.
And the Queens Park Rangers footballer is certainly racking up enemies from his fellow footballers after launching a vicious online tirade against David Beckham, claiming his new underwear range was made in a 'sweat shop.'
Now UNICEF ambassador Beckham has hit back at Barton, claiming his rants are that of a 'madman.'
'Not arsed': Joey Barton (left) accused brand Beckham of making having his H&M pants made in sweat shop
Barton, 28, unleashed his Twitter fury after watching Beckham's H&M advert during the Super Bowl and wrote online: 'Not arsed if they’re Beckham’s or not. 9.99 pounds for a pair of gruds for H and M (sic) is an outrage.'
He added: 'Do one, Becks. They cost about 1p to make in a sweat shop in the Third World, Is there no limit to what ‘Brand Beckham’ will endorse for a pound note?'
Madmen: Brand Beckham said Barton's tweet was inaccurate
A spokesman for the LA Galaxy player insisted to the Daily Star that the range was being made 'under the strictest ethical guidelines.
He added anyone who accused Beckham of using child labour was a 'madman'.
H&M has refused to say which factory in China they were using for the underwear range but the High Street chain said workers were given 'at least the statutory minimum wage.'
Barton, who has more than a million followers on Twitter and is renowned for his outspoken comments, used the medium to make a series of comments John Terry's charge of allegedly racially abusing Anton Ferdinand.
Accusations: David Beckham has denied his brand of underwear is made in 'sweat shops'
Denials: David Beckham's new range's affordability concerned Joey Barton
Terry, who was stripped of the England captaincy last week, denies the charge and will stand trial in July.
Barton, who has more than a million Twitter followers has previously spoken about his right to free speech, through Twitter.
He wrote: 'I will gladly go to jail for a month in the name of free speech. I have no problem with what I said.
'Make me a martyr. What are they going to do, put everyone who exercises freedom of speech in jail? They'll (sic) be a revolution, if they try that.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/art....l#ixzz1lhjtkh4X
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« Reply #43 on Feb 7, 2012, 2:12pm » | |
If only Barton would show the same dedication on the field as he does to twitter, then he might show some ability
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« Reply #44 on Feb 7, 2012, 3:24pm » | |
I doubt there is a footballer alive that isnt involved in at least one of the following simple minded "fads";
(1). Twitter
(2). Nando's
(3). Tattoo's
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« Reply #45 on Feb 7, 2012, 7:22pm » | |
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The FA announced on Friday their decision to remove the armband from Terry until the outcome of his court case in July where the Chelsea defender denies a charge of racially abusing QPR's Anton Ferdinand.
And Blues boss Villas-Boas said: "He has the right to his opinion and to share that defence with the player."
It is understood that Terry, 31, has no intention of quitting international football and is intent on playing for England at Euro 2012.
Meanwhile, Sir Alex Ferguson claims the FA and Capello need to sort out their differences over Terry.
The England manager is due to meet FA chairman David Bernstein for talks later this week when the issue will be raised.
Ferguson told CNN: "There has to be some communication regarding the issue. I know Fabio has been abroad but he's back now so the next few days should reveal everything.
"It's a difficult situation for both sides. When you are the manager of a team and have a captain that is an important part of that team then you don't want to lose him, so I can understand there's a lot of discussion and controversy about it."
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/7494400/AVB-Capello-right-to-speak-out
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AVB backs Capello on the John Terry issue? I feel faint with surprise.
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Wonder if AVB will feel the same when Capello replaces him at Chelsea! 
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« Reply #48 on Feb 7, 2012, 7:33pm » | |
How did Capello, AVB and Terry sneak onto this thread?
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« Reply #49 on Feb 7, 2012, 7:34pm » | |
Anyway, what did the failure that is the scouse gobshyte say about Beckham?
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« Reply #50 on Feb 7, 2012, 7:37pm » | |
My error...Should have been in the Terry-is-slime thread!
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