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« Reply #120 on May 3, 2011, 8:18pm » | |
one things for sure, i could take all these articles, quotes, interviews made by journo's, reporters, pundits, professionals and ITK's, and throw them all up in the air, and catch one, and that one would have the same credence as all the others. It does not worry me what has been said. I think all ok. But.....
What does worry me, is that for all the hard work that our QC has put into this case, it could all be worthless if gianni has held back any information from our defense, but, the FA has it.
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« Reply #121 on May 3, 2011, 8:37pm » | |
At the moment anything I read that says not a points deduction I fully believe and I feel really positive, but then anything I read saying a points deduction is in order I also believe and then I get depressed.
Agree with you Maude, the only people who know what is most likely going to happen is GP, Mr Mills and the independent commission. Anything else is just opinions based on that particular persons understanding of the case, which in most cases is little or none, ie. Keys and Gray. Despite this, it all still makes me worry 
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« Reply #122 on May 3, 2011, 8:51pm » | |
listen to the mods & posters on this board rory, a lot more sense than what you read outside it.
my feeling is that palidini will come out of this bad, but the club will be ok. That would cap off a season that us QPR fans have waited far to long for.
but i'm not in the same category as my peers on this board, I'm a superstitious loon. ![[image]](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png "[image]")
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« Reply #123 on May 3, 2011, 8:54pm » | |
Definitely agree about Paladini coming of worse than the club, in fact I think the reason he looked a bit beaten coming out of FA HQ was because his case wasn't going well for him personally, rather than the club.
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« Reply #124 on May 3, 2011, 9:42pm » | |
Is it true Alan Shearer is on the panel  ????????/
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« Reply #125 on May 3, 2011, 9:59pm » | |
Yes apparently so, not a bad thing at all. He will understand how this effects the fans and take that into consideration.
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« Reply #126 on May 3, 2011, 10:01pm » | |
Whos the other three ?
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« Reply #127 on May 3, 2011, 10:04pm » | |
Well according to WATRB, one of them is David Dein, who's son had a relationship with Bernie's daughter ![[image]](http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/cool/cool-smiley-031.gif "[image]")
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« Reply #128 on May 3, 2011, 10:06pm » | |
Arsenals David Dein?
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« Reply #129 on May 3, 2011, 10:09pm » | |
Yes I think so, probably the only David Dein in football so most likely
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« Reply #130 on May 3, 2011, 10:10pm » | |
QPR call in Tevezgate-winning QC for legal battle
Published 22:59 03/05/11 By Neil McLeman
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QPR have hired the QC who won £25million for Sheffield United over the Carlos Tevez affair to fight FA charges.
A four-man hearing started at Wembley yesterday over allegations that Rangers breached third-party ownership rules over the signing of Alejandro Faurlin in 2009.
And the new Championship title winners’ defence will be led by Ian Mills, the lawyer who won massive damages for the Blades the same year.
West Ham paid the money in an out-of-court settlement after Sheffield United argued the illegal transfer of Tevez played a material role in their relegation in 2007.
Now Mills will now argue that the Faurlin case does not merit a points deduction.
The judgement will be announced on Friday – and could be followed by further legal actions to delay the Championship play-offs.
Former FA chief Mark Palios said: “There is a lot of precedent around playing an ineligible player and that ranges from the clerical errors around the transfer window, when they get small points deductions, to more serious situations.
“I think following the Tevez affair it is necessary for a statement to be made. This is more serious than a clerical error, so deserves a points deduction almost certainly.”
Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/QPR....l#ixzz1LKW1J5Sx
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« Reply #131 on May 3, 2011, 10:50pm » | |
Paul Smith's twitter again, but very very good news if true
Smudge1962 Paul Smith
As promised. The FL and FA are in pieces. QPR will not be demoted into the play-offs and the former CEO, Mark Palios, is an idiot
Smudge1962 Paul Smith
QPR did not, I repeat did not, use an unlicensed agent in the deal. Perhaps Palios should refrain from comparing QPR with Luton
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« Reply #132 on May 3, 2011, 10:55pm » | |
mac, i think your request, when first these charges came out, that gianni falls on his sword might be correct.
That QC bloke looked like job done when he came out of the FA party.
Whereas, gianni, looked like sh*t.
love you Gianni.
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« Reply #134 on May 3, 2011, 11:01pm » | |
One more - "As it is the longer this goes on the better. QPR have 14 days to appeal sentencing and will wait until the very last day"
I thought we only had 10 days to appeal?
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« Reply #135 on May 3, 2011, 11:02pm » | |
"On that basis the FL will have to go ahead with the play-offs so where does that leave them?"
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« Reply #136 on May 3, 2011, 11:04pm » | |
The funny thing is that I would just like Gianni out of the QPR business. And obviously I'm a long-term sceptic/critic re various things said and done over the years. But in some ways, I've been far more disgusted at some other people. And I have no desire to see Gianni humiliated. I just want my club to be professionally run by people who are best equipped to do the job in various positions.
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« Reply #137 on May 3, 2011, 11:04pm » | |
"The FA have based evidence on pure presumption because QPR inflated the fee on their website."
I think I should stop with these now
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« Reply #138 on May 3, 2011, 11:06pm » | |
Last one, but quite interesting
"In regard to any sanctions. If a small points deduction does not effect QPR going up as champions I suspect they will live with it"
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« Reply #139 on May 3, 2011, 11:11pm » | |
Oh yeah, in case your wondering, this guy is 'good friends' with the head of our legal team.
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« Reply #140 on May 3, 2011, 11:15pm » | |
May 3, 2011, 11:04pm, Macmoish wrote:| The funny thing is that I would just like Gianni out of the QPR business. And obviously I'm a long-term sceptic/critic re various things said and done over the years. But in some ways, I've been far more disgusted at some other people. And I have no desire to see Gianni humiliated. I just want my club to be professionally run by people who are best equipped to do the job in various positions. |
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the more this goes on the more it stinks of a cock up by one person, that person should step down this week.
and the followers will just blend in to the wallpaper at the c club.
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« Reply #141 on May 3, 2011, 11:18pm » | |
Maude, I don't think that person will leave by himself, he will have to be forced out IMO.
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« Reply #142 on May 3, 2011, 11:18pm » | |
Well of course we did axe the club secretary. And didnt replace her (maybe someone holds some of the function/legal title, but definitely not the same)
Our Deputy Managing Director, Ali Russell also out
I just don't believe that GP was running things alone. Briatore is meant to be very hands on with his money, etc.
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« Reply #143 on May 3, 2011, 11:22pm » | |
Martin Samuel in The Mail who's serious journalist
FA PARTY PIECE IS AN EYE OPENER
The sudden interest of the Football Association in third-party ownership issues is intriguing, to say the least. The hearing into the contract of Queens Park Rangers player Alejandro Faurlin began on Tuesday and a verdict is expected by Friday.
There has been some headline-grabbing speculation around the punishment, if guilty, with some claiming the club could be deducted 15 points.
Yet, two years ago, when this column turned the spotlight on Matthew Spring's transfer from Luton Town to Charlton Athletic, it was a different story.
Spring had been on loan at Sheffield United, who struck a gentleman's agreement with Charlton that he could not face them in an FA Cup tie. Luton, as the selling club, were the first party; Charlton, as the buying club, were the second party; so that made Sheffield United, well, you can probably guess.
The Football League at least wrote to all concerned - although heaven knows why, as they did not even install third-party rules until September 2010 - but the response of the FA was a joke.
Having delayed making any comment for roughly two months, and then confirming no action would be taken, not a single member of the governing body was prepared to go on the record to explain why this did not constitute third-party interference.
Now they want to come over like Judge Jeffreys.
Make your mind up, gentlemen, are third-party issues a hanging offence or not?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footbal....l#ixzz1LKo07bd9
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« Reply #144 on May 3, 2011, 11:32pm » | |
This is The Sun, but they're primarily just quoting Palios
The Sun QPR told to expect 10pt loss
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FORMER FA boss Mark Palios says QPR must be docked at least 10 points if they are found guilty of breaking transfer rules.
Palios reckons football's chiefs need to make an example of the club over their signing of Argentine Alejandro Faurlin in 2009.
He said: "Following the Carlos Tevez affair it is necessary for a statement to be made and, if QPR are found guilty, it should be 10 points or more.
"There are precedents about fielding an ineligible player, ranging from a small points deduction for clerical errors around the transfer window to more serious situations.
"This is more serious than a minor clerical error so a points deduction is almost certain. QPR have also been charged with seeking to make illegal payments to unauthorised agents and Luton lost 10 points for doing that."
An independent hearing began yesterday into FA charges brought against QPR over the £3.5million purchase of Faurlin from Instituto de Cordoba.
But with a verdict not due until Friday, the Championship play-offs could be thrown into chaos if champions QPR launch a legal challenge.
A 10-point penalty would hand the title to Norwich and condemn QPR, who have denied all charges, to the play-off lottery.
QPR chairman Gianni Paladini had only one comment after yesterday's hearing at Wembley, telling reporters: "I love you."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/spo....-deduction.html
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« Reply #145 on May 3, 2011, 11:33pm » | |
THE EXPRESS
QPR face £90m legal headache
If QPR end up playing in the Premier League next season, they could still end up paying the price
Wednesday May 4,2011
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A LEADING sports lawyer has warned the panel meeting over the Alejandro Faurlin case that they have a £90million decision ahead of them.
If QPR end up playing in the Premier League next season, they could still end up paying the price, as Andrew Nixon, a Thomas Eggar associate, anticipates a private breach of contract lawsuit.
In particular, if the team finishing third fail to win promotion via the play-offs, QPR could be the subject of a massive compensation claim.
“They are all contracted parties to the rules,” said Nixon.
“If there is a considerable breach, especially with a reckless disregard to that contract, you could follow the logic to say that it led to a significant loss for somebody.
“The argument is that if QPR hadn’t done what they did, somebody else would be promoted.
“Then forensic accountants would be used to work out what the loss is, but it could easily get to that £90m figure.”
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The four-day hearing began yesterday at Wembley with a decision expected Friday, the day before the final round of Championship fixtures.
QPR have Ian Mill QC fighting their corner, the man who won £26.5m for Sheffield United from West Ham following the Carlos Tevez affair, after the Hammers had denied the seven charges against them.
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« Reply #146 on May 3, 2011, 11:58pm » | |
Great thread mates. Still feel well come out with heads high. FA has to do really big nasties to justify
their importanc.e Still this one will baxkfire imo and agree with Rory and Mac.
On the Paladin issue, no time to think about that right now imo, just increases our own hurt imo, want to wait til afterwards. Always been my way to fight one head battle at a time or you will get into Macs
loony bin post on another thread.
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« Reply #147 on May 4, 2011, 12:17am » | |
Thanks Block for taking that Dodo off. Sick of it. Anyway, on Paladini, do you think Warnock could work with him after this?
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« Reply #148 on May 4, 2011, 12:57am » | |
Looks like an astute move. Makes a change to read something positive about the Rs in the Standard.
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Queen's Park Rangers launched their defence against seven charges levelled by the Football Association today led by crack QC, Ian Mill, the man who successfully won compensation for Sheffield United after the Carlos Tevez saga.
Club officials remained confident ahead of the start of the four-day hearing by an independent commission at Wembley that Rangers will escape serious punishment over the signing of Alejandro Faurlin and will still be promoted to the Premier League as champions of the Championship.
But reports last Friday that QPR were to be deducted 15 points and claims today from former FA chief executive Mark Palios that they will lose 10 points have prompted Mill's recruitment.
He has previously represented David Beckham, Chelsea, the International Rugby Board, Mike Tyson, the BBC, the International Cricket Council and the FA themselves and is described on the Blackstone Chambers website - for whom he has been joint head since 2004 - as "the guy you go to if you really want to tough it out - he's a real fighter and a fantastic cross-examiner".
In 2009, Mill won £26.5million in damages from West Ham for Sheffield United in an out-of-court settlement after the Yorkshire club successfully argued that the illegal transfer of Tevez played a material role in their relegation from the Premier League in the 2006-07 season.
Now he will claim that QPR's transfer of Faurlin, which has been accused of breaking third-party ownership laws drafted in response to the Tevez affair, does not warrant a points deduction.
Rangers, whose manager Neil Warnock was in charge of Sheffield United in 2007, have denied any wrongdoing. The club also believe that last Friday's newspaper report has prejudiced the case against them and they had effectively been found guilty before the hearing.
That in itself would give them excellent grounds to launch a successful appeal, although the club remain confident they will be found not guilty having this morning formally denied all seven charges laid against them.
And it would create a legal minefield if the Commission do find Rangers guilty over allegations that first surfaced as far back as September.
The Commission are supposed to give their verdict by Friday and, although that is likely, Standard Sport understands there is no guarantee the hearing will not drag on into next week - after QPR's final game of the season.
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« Reply #149 on May 4, 2011, 12:59am » | |
From Indyrs and really very comforting.
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