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Post by Macmoish on Apr 5, 2011 12:57:30 GMT
Doncaster Rovers Official Site - Official Statement
ROVERS REFUSED PERMISSION TO PLAY ON PITCHPosted on: Tue 05 Apr 2011 The Stadium Management Company (SMC), the company that runs the Keepmoat Stadium, have refused a request by Doncaster Rovers manager Sean O'Driscoll to train on the main pitch on Friday, in preparation for the Championship fixture against Cardiff City on Saturday 9th April. The decision was made by the Chief Executive of the SMC, Shane Chalmers.No reason for the bizarre and unhelpful decision has been given, other than it would not be fair on the Dons rugby league club. After we talked to the Dons, the rugby league club said they had no problem with Doncaster Rovers' request. At a time when the Club is coming to the end of a difficult season, it is bizarre that the SMC should choose to be as obstructive and unhelpful as this. Doncaster Rovers have trained on the pitch on numerous occasions previously without a problem. Doncaster Rovers CEO Dave Morris said: "I think this shows that the people who run this stadium are not concerned with the key partners within it and do not understand how important this could be. It also proves the point that people who so obviously do not understand how sport works should not be put in charge of a sports stadium. It appears it can be for no reason other than to disrupt the teams' preparation." Fans visiting the stadium to buy tickets for Saturday's game were outraged when asked what they thought. One fan said: "I thought this was a community stadium, well I'm part of the community as are the thousands of others who support the Rovers and this is unacceptable. I think the fans should get together and boycott the bars, kiosks etc before the match because that income is not the Rovers. Try to hit them where it hurts. Maybe businesses should also think about supporting the club by not using the stadium for events etc. We can't let them get away with this. It's ridiculous." Whilst the Club would not condone this action from supporters, Doncaster Rovers understand as to why the action would be taken. www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2331574,00.html
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Post by Hogan on Apr 5, 2011 14:40:48 GMT
Hopefully once (if) we get promoted, the people running QPR will clear all the debts and make sure we live within our means, owning our ground without a mortage on it, and if that means we play our football at a lower level then so be it.
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Post by ingham on Apr 5, 2011 15:05:16 GMT
Once they have you by the balls, they are in a position to exploit you in any way they please.
The owners of the stadium can pump money out of the Club in the form of rent and other expenses. When the Club struggles to meet the cost, they can offer a loan, for example. 'To help out'. They can use what should be the Club's own asset - the Ground - to raise the money, and get the Club in deeper and deeper until the Club can no longer afford to play there. Then the owner can redevelop the site, and use the Club's money to acquire another. As they are doing all over the country at the moment. When that is redeveloped, however temporarily, for the Club's use, the Club will pay for it, the developer will own it, and the Club will be left with nothing.
Then the hangers-on will start all over again. There are few 'businesses' which provide such regular, constant and reliable streams of money as football clubs. Most businesses go bust early on. But it is very difficult to wipe a football club out because, almost uniquely, it has supporters who will put money into the Club when it is BADLY run, when the so-called 'product' is rubbish, when the people running it are losers on the grand scale, and when it is being screwed into the Ground.
Once a Club accepts that it SHOULD be playing at a site which suits:
(a) the local authority
(b) moneylenders and speculators
(c) predatory shareholders
(d) a host of penurious or opportunist special interest groups
(e) however vaguely defined - the 'community'
the Club is at the mercy of almost anything and anyone. Are 'community' facilities used by the entire community? If they are, shouldn't the entire community pay for them? But it won't. The football club will.
A football club may attract tens of thousands. If other interest groups can do the same, let them do so. If they can't, that isn't the football club's problem.
What a football club has to offer the local community - and it is all it has to offer - is that it is A FOOTBALL CLUB. Nothing else. That is quite enough. And it is the only thing that makes sense. Football Clubs find it difficult enough to do football.
Most of them can't break even, let alone make a profit. They have no idea how to run 'the community'. And they already contribute to it enormously by providing a local football club. If local authorities want to provide proper facilities for local people in areas in which the local authority or others are expert, let them get on with it themselves, instead of ducking their responsibilities.
To be sure, all the chancers and hangers-on will get their cut, and local people are left to cope with the cost and the problems. A Football Club SHOULD BE dedicated to its own supporters.
Does a football club really need to be under the thumb of even MORE hangers-on, parasites and schemers than it naturally attracts in the present way of doing things?
Don't we have enough wide boys living off the Clubs' losses already?
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 6, 2011 3:59:37 GMT
Hopefully once (if) we get promoted, the people running QPR will clear all the debts and make sure we live within our means, owning our ground without a mortage on it, and if that means we play our football at a lower level then so be it. I believe those currently running our club want to own the ground rather than have the club entity own it, for their own agenda. I could be wrong but.... Just how long has it takens two billionaires and a millionaire to sort it out thus far?? |
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 6, 2011 8:24:22 GMT
Update from Doncaster. But doesn't in any way invalidate the whole issue re Stadium ownership
Doncaster Rovers Official Statement
CLUB STATEMENTPosted on: Tue 05 Apr 2011
After further discussions, Doncaster Rovers Football Club are pleased to announce that the Stadium Management Company have agreed to allow the first team to train on the main pitch on Friday.A representative from the SMC said: "The SMC are totally behind the Doncaster Rovers' bid for success within the npower Championship and supports all the stadium's tenants wherever possible." "After discussions with the Doncaster Rovers this afternoon a decision was made to allow the first team to train on the main pitch this Friday in this instance. The quality of the playing surface ahead of our weekend fixture is our main priority." Dave Morris, Doncaster Rovers' Chief Executive said: "We're glad that the situation has been resolved and appreciate the co-operation of the Stadium Management Company." www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/News/0,,10329~2331704,00.html
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 6, 2011 18:42:35 GMT
Now Darlington set to lose their stadium BBC
Darlington Arena put on sale by football club receivers There is a chance Darlington Football Club may lose its home ground, less than eight years after moving in. The club's receivers have instructed property company Edward Symmons to advertise Darlington Arena for sale. The club has an existing lease to play at the Arena until 2024, but a new owner may choose to buy its way out of that contract. Darlington Football club has suffered recurring financial difficulties since the late 1990s. Darlington Chairman Raj Singh said the club's lease was secure for the next 13-and-a-half years and the receivers were simply exercising their rights under the existing agreement. He declined to comment further. 'They will come' The club's former ground at Feethams is currently awaiting commercial development. The Quakers first played at Feethams in 1883, hosting their final game there against Leyton Orient in May 2003. The following season saw the club open at the new 25,000-seat Darlington Arena, built by the then chairman George Reynolds in the face of some vocal opposition. Despite Mr Reynolds' confidence that, "If we build it, they will come", the stadium found it difficult to attract large enough crowds to meet its costs. Plans to boost income by staging large music events were scuppered when the venue failed to win an entertainment licence. Present chairman Raj Singh has put more than £2.5m of his own money into the Quakers since taking over in 2009, but the debt he inherited is understood to still stand at more than £2m. Unless talks between the club and the holding company that retains that debt can be restarted, the club risks losing Darlington Arena. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-12985917 |
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 15, 2011 12:08:56 GMT
And now Bradford...BBC
Bradford City could be forced to leave Valley Parade Bradford City could leave Valley Parade in the next 12 months unless they can re-negotiate their rent payments.
The club currently pay around £700,000 a year to the pension fund of former chairman Gordon Gibb, and Prudential Property Investment Managers (PRUPIM). Bradford joint chairman Mark Lawn told BBC Radio Leeds: "Hopefully they'll come to their senses, because if not - we can't stay here." Bradford have played at the 25,000-capacity stadium since 1903. Following their relegation from the Premier League in 2001, the ground was sold to the pension fund of Gibb for around £2.5m and subsequently rented back to the club. Bradford also rent the offices next to the ground from investment company PRUPIM, which - together with other costs - means the Bantams have to find almost £1.3m a year. Earlier this month the club were a week late in paying their quarterly rent. Lawn said: "We're trying to put proposals to the landlords, one of which is the Prudential property arm, and they're talking to us. "The other landlords have told us to go through their solicitors, we've gone through their solicitors and they're not coming back to us, so it's difficult. "We're not turning around and saying that we need to drastically reduce the rent. What we're saying is that we need to reduce the rent in this league. I've got to make sure Bradford City survive and some hard decisions have to be made Mark Lawn "There's no investors coming into Bradford City, not while the overheads are where they are because it's killing us down at this level. "I don't want to leave this ground, but I've got to make sure this club survive and some hard decisions have to be made." The situation is more complicated as Bradford would have to find a way of getting out of a lease that still has 17 years to run. They would also have to find an alternative stadium to stage their games, with Odsal, where rugby league side Bradford Bulls play, the likely venue. The Bantams spent 18 months at Odsal following the Valley Parade fire in 1985, which killed 56 people. Interim manager Peter Jackson said: "Obviously I was here the day of the tragic fire and there's a lot of sentimental things surrounding the stadium, but if we can't afford it then we might have to move, and it'll be a sad day. "I played there [Odsal] numerous times when we left here for the rebuild and I understand the overheads will be far cheaper there. "Hopefully it won't come to that, but it might have to." newsvote.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/bradford_city/9458919.stm
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Post by londonranger on Apr 15, 2011 16:43:00 GMT
Take a loan, pay off the debt, grab the assets. Nice work if you can get it.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 15, 2011 17:02:35 GMT
AND win the plaudits of the fans for saving the club!
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Post by londonranger on Apr 15, 2011 17:30:07 GMT
Then buy lots of expensive rubbish as the debt builds to a place where there arent any more
takers for the resultant, at that point, sink, swim, or do what your told.
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Apr 15, 2011 19:43:29 GMT
it's a disgrace that these stadiums future's are not set in stone, there should be a law passed in parliment that football clubs stadiums should be protected, because no matter what business men say or think they are a vital part of community's and society as a whole, for me with darlington there old chairman was a complete dreamer and how he got away with building that stadium in the first place is amazing and questions need to be answered, i understand that stadium isn't viable for them so there should be something in place where some of the money that comes from the sale of the stadium should go into building a smaller more viable stadium that suits the size of the club, it shouldn't be allowed that clubs can be pushed around and left to the point of non exsetence.
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 15, 2011 19:50:37 GMT
Listened to Risdale today , Plmouth players,staff,groundsman none of them have been payed for 3 months now.
No sesaon tickets can be sold to make revenue as they dont know if there will even be a Club in August.
Have until mid June to fine an owner !
Apparently the loss of TV money etc for a Championship team getting relegated to league 1 like Plymouth did last year is a 4 million pounds loss in earnings.
Getting pretty serious now , where it will all end who knows?
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Post by londonranger on Apr 15, 2011 20:38:16 GMT
The salaries, the agents, drive the Mercedes. Remember when Gregory put the teams hotel bills and
meals on his credit card.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 15, 2011 20:52:34 GMT
In US, leagues follow finances of each team. If team is financially unsound, it is forced to sell or move.
UK teams are regulated differently in terms of the way teams finances are modulated.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 15, 2011 21:46:15 GMT
Here is a News story of original plans from Briatore in Mail. t keeps QPR going Last updated at 14:33 17 August 2007 Comments (0) Add to My Stories Renault chief Flavio Briatore will complete a £19million deal for Queens Park Rangers next week, saving the club from going into liquidation. Gianni Paladini, who will stay as chairman, said: "This saves the club from liquidation. Mr Briatore wants to do for QPR what Mohamed Fayed has done for Fulham and turn us into a Premier League club. It is a dream come true for all the fans." Saviour: Flavio Briatore Read more... Two new parties join the talks to buy Rangers Jadene backing Keane in his war on WAG excesses Agbonlahor back in fold Carling Cup: Gregory's cup KO 'hurts' Former Gunner hopes to be a Saint Facebookers target Byfield It's not toilet humour as Pompey keeper questions Chelsea's water wastage Peter's so proud son Kasper is keeping family tradition alive Billionaire Briatore will wipe out QPR's debt of £17m and invest in the club that has been out of the top flight since 1996 and beset by debt and boardroom rows. A spokesman for the Formula One giant said: "Mr Briatore is looking forward to being involved with English football. "QPR are a club with a rich history and a fine future now." The club, managed by John Gregory, are at home to Cardiff tomorrow. It is understood that one of the plans being discussed is a proposal to sell Loftus Road to property developers and move the club to a new site currently owned by the BBC at White City. Paladini this year added Kevin Steele, a property lawyer from firm Mishcon de Reya, to the QPR board to advise on redevelopment options, with Hammersmith and Fulham Council believed to be in favour of the plans. Explore more: Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-475955/Briatore-buy-keeps-QPR-going.html#ixzz1JdACHTCY |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Apr 15, 2011 22:11:24 GMT
loftus rd is fine,
don't care about a big stadium,
shoot me down.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 15, 2011 22:30:28 GMT
See the thing is isnt it that how do you generate income to compete in prem without bigger capacity?
By raising cost of everyhthing I expect.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Apr 15, 2011 22:39:10 GMT
See the thing is isnt it that how do you generate income to compete in prem without bigger capacity? By raising cost of everyhthing I expect. correct london, we will not survive in the prem at loftus rd, and we will not survive with a bigger stadium, devil and the deep blue sea, better the devil you know maybe  |
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Apr 16, 2011 21:01:59 GMT
for me that's why terracing should be reintroduced that alone would bring our capacity up to at least 23,000.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 16, 2011 21:12:00 GMT
Makes sense Ohwest.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Apr 16, 2011 22:44:39 GMT
for me that's why terracing should be reintroduced that alone would bring our capacity up to at least 23,000. i like that ohwest, any thing we can do to keep us at loftus rd will be good. |
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