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Post by Bushman on Mar 28, 2011 10:32:26 GMT
The next home game against Burnley the apostrophe has disappeared on the front cover of the new style programme. 31st Oct 1967.  The apostrophe was used on the back of the programmes until the Blackpool game 23rd March 1968. The last time the apostrophe was seen on the front of the programme was the 21st Oct 1967  Letter heading had it until the end of the 67-68 season
AND HOW IT HAPPENEDI have received a letter from RON PHILLIPS - remember him - the best Secretary ever for QPR? I quote his letter which I think gives the definitive answer to the apostrophe conundrum , as follows :
I was indeed the culprit who dropped the apostrophe. The clues are all there. I joined the Club as Secretary in October 1966 and took over as editor of the programme a few months later.
When I arrived the programme consisted of a single, folded sheet of paper which just wasn't up to the standards of the team's fabulous successes at that time.
I changed the format to something more substantial(and I designed the Little Men cover which has been so popular with Rangers supporters.
Then I took a look at the club's title on the front cover and decided it had to be improved.
It had absolutely nothing to do with the club coming from Queen's Park or even Queen Victoria.
I am red hot on grammatical misspellings caused by dropping apostrophes, but in this case it was simply an aesthetic decision.
Apostrophes used in the titles of well-known locations look ugly. "Queens Park Rangers" as a title is much tidier than "Queen's Park Rangers"
(in just the same way that "Regents Park" is easier on the eye than "Regent's Park"), or "Earls Court" is more digestible than "Earl's Court"
I have continued this policy in my present job as Artistic Director of Barons Court Theatre. When I started the theatre in 1991, the area was known as "Baron's Court" It just had to go !
Thanks to the rising popularity of my theatre, everyone wries "Barons Court" nowadays - even the Tube has dropped the apostrophe !
My apologies if my decision offended the traditionalists. I hope that before they vent their anger on me they will at least take into account my "Little Men" innovation and agree that not all I did while at QPR was bad.
Ron Phillips - Secretary QPR 1966-1989
+ Copy/Paste by Macmoish of Bushman
Rangers dropped the apostrophe in 1967-68.
Leicester City, Chelsea & Arsenal had not in the 1974-75 season.   |
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 28, 2011 10:44:09 GMT
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Post by cpr on Mar 28, 2011 10:48:37 GMT
Maybe the printers of the chequerboard programme didn't have an apostrophe!
Well traced B Man, hope you asked "just one more question" during your investigation! ;D
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Post by Bushman on Mar 28, 2011 10:50:58 GMT
Maybe the printers of the chequerboard programme didn't have an apostrophe! Well traced B Man, hope you asked "just one more question" during your investigation! ;D ;D |
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Post by canadaranger on Mar 28, 2011 20:18:47 GMT
And was the club ever legally re-named without the apostrophe... or do the original apostrophe shareholders still hold the rights to the club of that name?
Just asking...
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Mar 28, 2011 20:34:30 GMT
whats a apostrophe between friend's anyway?
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Post by harlowranger on Mar 28, 2011 22:05:53 GMT
Great digging Bushman  , well i'm not going to knock those chequered programmes there the oldest ones i have ! |
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Post by Bushman on Mar 28, 2011 22:17:11 GMT
whats a apostrophe between friend's anyway? Ah maude a lot. |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Mar 28, 2011 22:25:01 GMT
Bushman, is that letter regarding kick off times addressed to you? if so , i shall come over for tea, on the eve of thursday at 18.00 Hrs  |
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Post by Bushman on Mar 28, 2011 22:30:51 GMT
Bushman, is that letter regarding kick off times addressed to you? if so , i shall come over for tea, on the eve of thursday at 18.00 Hrs More than welcome maude if I lived in Staffs, but a big shock for Mr Whitehouse when he wonders who the hell you are. ;D |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Mar 28, 2011 22:41:01 GMT
the look on Mr Whitehouse's face when he opens the door to a bloke with a armfull of QPR programs in one arm and a batternburg cake in the other would be priceless  |
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Post by Bushman on Mar 28, 2011 22:43:00 GMT
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Post by canadaranger on Mar 28, 2011 23:46:52 GMT
whats a apostrophe between friend's anyway? ;D |
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Post by canadaranger on Mar 28, 2011 23:49:06 GMT
The last time the apostrophe was seen on the front of the programme was the 21st Oct 1967 The next home game against Burnley the apostrophe has disappeared on the front cover of the new style programme. 31st Oct 1967. This makes it obvious what happened to the apostrophe... MILLWALL NICKED IT!... and we want it back! |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Mar 29, 2011 3:03:36 GMT
Millwall are not Liverpool you know?
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Post by bostonr on Mar 29, 2011 3:31:04 GMT
It's not only Queen's...take a look at Shepherd's / Shepherds Bush.
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Post by zicoshoops on Mar 29, 2011 21:40:33 GMT
Sorry chaps, but I just can't let this go.  We're Queen's Park Rangers. Always have been. Track down the person who removed the apostrophe and sack them.  |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Mar 29, 2011 21:44:07 GMT
Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicoooooooooooo!!!!!!
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Post by canadaranger on Mar 30, 2011 1:46:52 GMT
Zico. I must agree!
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Post by chrisguy on Mar 31, 2011 20:16:32 GMT
Excellent topic,this has been a bug bear of mine for a while that the apostrophe is never used, it's incredible that it suddenly got stopped from use even on items such as the official club crest in the 70's and 80's.
The club's name originated from the majority of our players living in the area of Queen's Park so there should have been no argument on whether it was used or not.
Nice one Bushman on bringing this up, I have been meaning to bring it to a public forum for a while, hopefully the club will rectify our name...can't see it though it would be costly in terms of merchandise, but maybe it's a way of getting rid of the awful Flavio inspired badge.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 9, 2011 7:57:46 GMT
In the 1967/68 Season, our chequered programme (at least in April 1968) said QUEENS Park Rangers on Front and back covers (no apostrophe) - and the same at the top of the masthead inside page.
The Shield with three horseshoes had at the bottom Queen's Park Rangers FC
The Change?
Blackpool March 23, 1968 Programme
In an ad for Programme Binders: "The binder is bound.....and the spine is blocked in silver with 'Queen's Park Rangers Official Programme"
April 12, 1968 Programme vs Cardiff -
In an ad for Programme Binders: "The binder is bound.....and the spine is blocked in silver with 'Queens Park Rangers Official Programme"
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 10, 2011 10:05:11 GMT
I'll bump...
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Post by zicoshoops on Apr 10, 2011 10:47:08 GMT
The site of the first Royal Agricultural Show was where Queen's Park is now. Queen Victoria attended and opened the show. Due to problems with the ground, the Show moved after only one year. The original area was much larger, but some was used for housing. A small part of the original area was turned into a Park, named in honour of Queen Victoria. Queen's Park. Now if the Park was named in honour of more than one Queen, then the correct spelling would be Queens Park. But it's not. It's named after just one Queen. Queen Victoria. Therefore the correct spelling is Queen's. We are Queen's Park Rangers.  Always have been.............always will be. Sort it out. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 10, 2011 10:49:05 GMT
Cheers Zico, glad you cleared that up and now for the club to do the honourable thing......
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 10, 2011 10:50:53 GMT
Gianni out...Apostrophe in  |
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Post by Sabas on Apr 10, 2011 11:09:13 GMT
... a Park, named in honour of Queen Victoria. Queen's Park. Now if the Park was named in honour of more than one Queen, then the correct spelling would be Queens Park. The correct spelling would be Queens' Park. Either way, it should be Queen's Park Rangers, I agree. (Queens Park Rangers sounds like New Yawk.) But sicne, over the years, the club has lost its' roots with that area, I think the grammatically and historically wrong "Queens" spelling was favoured for that reason. |
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 13, 2011 9:56:51 GMT
I contacted Dennis Signy as I thought he might be our best bet for a conclusive answer. And I was extremely grateful that he replied. Unfortunately he doesn't have the conclusive answer either on this. He suggested contacting Tony Williamson.
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Post by cpr on Apr 13, 2011 10:52:54 GMT
Inspector Lewis' sidekick, DS Hathaway got the hump with misplaced apostrophes in the last episode, although set in Oxford, I guess he is an R! ;D
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 14, 2011 9:57:02 GMT
Dennis Signy's Response (Reposted With Permission)
I am afraid that I don't have the answer to the missing apostrophe. You might try Tony Williamson, who was a director in my time and is quite knowledgeable on the history front.
I don't believe it was a particularly QPR thing; Queens Park relates to the area and has been used with or without an apostrophe as long as I can remember. I can't remember the club dropping it in the middle of the 1967-68 season.
You find with alternatives like this that someone comes up with the wrong version, but it is picked up and used as fact.
I spent a lot of time at QPR establishing that Peter SHREEVES had a final 'e' on his name, as stated on his birth certificate, but, because someone had queried it in print, he was appearing in places as SHREEVE.
Regards
Dennis
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Post by Bushman on Apr 14, 2011 14:36:48 GMT
Dennis Signy's Response (Reposted With Permission)I am afraid that I don't have the answer to the missing apostrophe. You might try Tony Williamson, who was a director in my time and is quite knowledgeable on the history front. I don't believe it was a particularly QPR thing; Queens Park relates to the area and has been used with or without an apostrophe as long as I can remember. I can't remember the club dropping it in the middle of the 1967-68 season. You find with alternatives like this that someone comes up with the wrong version, but it is picked up and used as fact. I spent a lot of time at QPR establishing that Peter SHREEVES had a final 'e' on his name, as stated on his birth certificate, but, because someone had queried it in print, he was appearing in places as SHREEVE. Regards Dennis Tony Williamson does not pick up on the missing apostrophe in his own book on the Rangers. Naming the 1901-02 team without the apostrophe. |
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I have received a letter from RON PHILLIPS - remember him - the best Secretary ever for QPR?
