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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 22, 2010 17:37:21 GMT
According to the Beeb FOOTBALL:Portsmouth likely to be closed down and liquidated says lawyer for Balram Chainrai
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 22, 2010 17:48:32 GMT
Portsmouth on the brink! Club blame former owner Alexandre Gaydamak for forcing Pompey towards liquidationBy SPORTSMAIL REPORTER Portsmouth FC face the real prospect of being liquidated after they failed to reach an agreement with creditors, including former owner Alexandre Gaydamak over debts repayments. The club issued have issued a stark statement this evening claiming 'it appears likely that the club will now be closed down and liquidated' by the administrators as they are unable to support the continued trading of the club. Crisis club: Fratton Park is under threat once again after failing to exit administration The Portsmouth statement in full: Portsmouth Football Club is extremely disappointed to report that it has not yet managed to achieve the exit from Administration, despite the extensive efforts of the Football League, NewCo, the Administrators and their various legal advisors. The process has been extremely complicated and there has been a team of people working night and day to get the deal done. The most difficult aspect has been trying to achieve agreement with Alexandre Gaydamak after the remaining parties have agreed the deal and executed the necessary documents, namely the new owners, the Administrators, the Football League and the creditors. Unfortunately, despite the new owners fulfilling all the requirements of the Football League and the creditors, and agreeing and signing up to the required terms of the purchase of the club, at the 11th hour the goalposts have been moved by Mr Gaydamak and this has now made the deal impossible to complete. Put simply, despite being offered full payment for the secured part of his debt in accordance with the financial plan approved by the Football League, this morning Mr Gaydamak has demanded a very significant upfront cash payment in order to allow the deal to proceed by releasing his security. All this is in spite of his lawyers going to Paris this morning specifically for the purpose of witnessing his signature to the document agreed yesterday. It is neither in the interests of the club nor its unsecured creditors for such a ransom payment to be made, particularly where the payment is being demanded by one of the authors of the club’s current circumstances. In addition, and equally importantly, all of the business plans submitted and approved by the Football League would be fundamentally damaged by such a requirement placed on the club by Mr Gaydamak. We will provide further information as soon as possible. However, it appears likely that the club will now be closed down and liquidated by the Administrators as they are unable to support the continued trading of the club. We would like to thank the Football League in particular for their support and assistance through this difficult process. All other parties had managed to reach agreement. This has now been undermined by the self-interested actions of one individual. Mr Gaydamak has provided confirmation several times that terms were agreed. However, he has continually changed his position in an attempt to exploit the goodwill of the other parties to the transaction. By now doing this he has shown complete disregard for the supporters, the club and the City of Portsmouth, who had granted him freedom of the city in 2008. His earlier comments when the club went into Administration about doing everything possible to save the club’s future do not appear to reflect his current actions. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1322967/Portsmouth-brink-Club-blame-owner-Alexandre-Gaydamak-forcing-Pompey-extinction.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz136wnmp3c
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Post by bowles on Oct 22, 2010 18:00:50 GMT
so do we get tommy smith for nothing now??
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Post by klr on Oct 22, 2010 18:03:08 GMT
Tragic.
One of the authentic & original English Football clubs destroyed by foreigners because they are allowed to.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 22, 2010 18:05:40 GMT
What an absolute mess its difficult to tell what one of the owners is at fault as there was 2/3 involved ! Tragic though Daily mirror about to release story anytime to !Headline Portsmouth to fold!
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 22, 2010 18:11:38 GMT
Dont believe it. I imagine (hope) there will be a Portsmouth 2010 or whatever. Has to be. (I hope)
Blood sucked out of clubs by owners, employees, agents, etc
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Post by klr on Oct 22, 2010 18:12:00 GMT
How have we got to the point where Israeli arms dealers can buy & destroy historical English sporting institutions such as Portsmouth Football Club.
I have actually grown to have a deep hatred of English Football & what it has become, Fabio Capello earning too much to be sacked & he doesnt speak English!, scum like Paul Stretford & Israeli arms dealers being legally allowed to destroy English Football clubs.
The shame of English Football.
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Post by cpr on Oct 22, 2010 18:23:08 GMT
pompey scum
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 22, 2010 18:28:06 GMT
Portsmouth on the brink of collapse Published 18:35 22/10/10 By MirrorFootball
The club released a statement saying that the club faces going out of business unless a deal with former owner and creditor Alexandre Gaydamak and prospective buyer Balram Chainrai can be struck - described as "impossible" in a statement from Pompey.
Portsmouth were relegated from the Barclays Premier League amid financial strife last season, during which they were docked nine points for falling into administration.
The club remains in administration.
It was revealed in April that Portsmouth owed a combined total of £38.2million to previous owners including Gaydamak and Sulaiman al Fahim, out of a total debt of £119million.
Tonight's club statement, published on the Portsmouth website ahead of tomorrow's scheduled npower Championship match at Hull, said the Football League plus Chainrai's proposed new company, administrators and legal advisers have made "extensive efforts" to keep the club in business.
However the club said Gaydamak had today requested a "very significant" cash payment to be made, and that was refused. Portsmouth called it "a ransom payment".
The statement said: "The process has been extremely complicated and there has been a team of people working night and day to get the deal done.
"The most difficult aspect has been trying to achieve agreement with Alexandre Gaydamak after the remaining parties have agreed the deal and executed the necessary documents, namely the new owners, the administrators, the Football League and the creditors.
"Unfortunately, despite the new owners fulfilling all the requirements of the Football League and the creditors, and agreeing and signing up to the required terms of the purchase of the club, at the 11th hour the goalposts have been moved by Mr Gaydamak and this has now made the deal impossible to complete.
"Put simply, despite being offered full payment for the secured part of his debt in accordance with the financial plan approved by the Football League, this morning Mr Gaydamak has demanded a very significant up front cash payment in order to allow the deal to proceed by releasing his security.
"All this is in spite of his lawyers going to Paris this morning specifically for the purpose of witnessing his signature to the document agreed yesterday.
"It is neither in the interests of the club nor its unsecured creditors for such a ransom payment to be made, particularly where the payment is being demanded by one of the authors of the club's current circumstances.
"In addition, and equally importantly, all of the business plans submitted and approved by the Football League would be fundamentally damaged by such a requirement placed on the club by Mr Gaydamak."
The statement added: "It appears likely that the club will now be closed down and liquidated by the administrators as they are unable to support the continued trading of the club."
Should the worst-case scenario unfold, Portsmouth would become the first Football League club since Maidstone United in 1992 to go out of business. In the same year Aldershot were also closed down.
Several clubs have encountered life-threatening financial trouble since then, but have managed to survive or go out of business after drifting into non-league.
Portsmouth became the first Premier League club to enter administration, and the subsequent nine-point penalty left them with no hope of survival.
Manager Avram Grant left in the summer to join West Ham, to be replaced by Steve Cotterill, and a host of players departed Fratton Park, leaving behind a thin squad.
The team made a slow start to the season but have hit form lately, winning four of their last five matches and drawing the other, however the off-pitch troubles have continued.
Their bid to come out of administration was scuppered by the Football League eight days ago.
Officials decided not to approve the transfer of the club's Football League share, which would signal their exit from administration, until further conditions were met.
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Post by manta on Oct 22, 2010 18:39:02 GMT
Sorry to see such a club with a proud history go under, it really saddens me. Whatever rivalry should be put aside even between Southampton. Football is for a lot of people their lives and there's going to be a lot of people on the south coast with out the club they support. It nearly happen to us so all fans should show respect.
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Post by ingham on Oct 22, 2010 20:45:18 GMT
All our Clubs are valuable because we stand or fall together, and because they genuinely matter to their supporters.
But they must also ask themselves why they didn't see it coming years ago when Portsmouth were spending vast sums on players they quite clearly couldn't afford.
Did anyone dare suggest that when money talked, it lied?
As long as they were winning, did anyone think there might be something wrong?
The idea of easy money not earned by the Club, not achieved through talent, know-how, or experience, but simply appearing out of thin air, mesmerises us.
One only has to listen to Manchester City supporters. Once Joe Mercer used his talent and knowledge of the game to create a fine side everyone enjoyed watching. Now there's no question of that at all.
They'll simply do what Abramovich did, and spend more than everyone else until, finally, they achieve maybe a fraction of what Ferguson has achieved.
When that nice man entices us towards his car, it might be an idea to ask ourselves if he has something more in mind than OUR enjoyment.
Haven't we all been warned about talking to strange men?
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Post by cpr on Oct 22, 2010 22:41:49 GMT
If they go under, my names Mohamed.
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Post by cpr on Oct 22, 2010 22:50:34 GMT
They should have a ten point deduction already anyway. Don't call me Mohamed.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 22, 2010 22:51:24 GMT
We dont want that CPR it becomes a nightmare , didnt it happen in the conference last year with chester you have take points away from the teams that have played them very messy ! Hope its resolved but you just dont know!
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 22, 2010 22:52:31 GMT
Cheerio, Cheerio, Cheerio...
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 22, 2010 22:58:25 GMT
Cardiff got 3 points at Pompey ! Seeya!
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Post by cpr on Oct 22, 2010 23:00:26 GMT
Harlow, we don't want what?We don't want the rules applied? We don't want to see clubs cheat? We don't want to see clubs unjustly punished? Sorry, don't understand. They joined the league in administration, the rules state, 10 point deduction, it didn't happen. Nor did it happen with Cardiff.
OK, I agree, we don't want that to happen, so we won't but give all the other teams in the division a 10 point bonus, sorted. ;D
I have a distinct and personal dislike for pompey scum and they brought that on, not me.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 22, 2010 23:10:57 GMT
Rules are rules CPR , they broke them or their apparent owners did but i just get a bit sad when i see football clubs destroyed and folding up wheter it s chester , Pompey scum ,! If they go they go so be it but this proper persons qualification bullshit has anyone failed it yet ! The Krays could have qualified!I dont think they should get any personal preferencial tratment for sure end of the day its black and white ! More and more clubs are just becoming playthings even down to the level of Crawley town whos owner is chucking silly money at it , trying to sigh pires in the conference ! Whwn i say dont want it talking more in the working out all the points system if a team goes halfway thro a season thats all ! Is there an easy to decide this now then re what would happen about the points re pompeys results !would everyones point gained against pompey be wiped out?
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 22, 2010 23:11:52 GMT
MK Pompey?
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 23, 2010 6:12:36 GMT
Guardian
'Frustrated' Portsmouth are not about to go under, says administrator • Former owner Sacha Gaydamak demands £2.5m upfront • Administrator Andronikou says statement was 'premature' (22) Jamie Jackson guardian.co.uk, Friday 22 October 2010 Portsmouth's administrator, Andrew Andronikou, tonight denied a statement on the club's official website which said the club may be about to go into liquidation due to a claim by the former owner Sacha Gaydamak for an upfront payment of £2.5m. Andronikou stated that Portsmouth will play at Hull City tomorrow but said Gaydamak's Jewish faith meant he was out of contact until the Sabbath ended on early Saturday evening and so is unavailable to resolve the issue. The article had been published on the website due to "pure frustration". The statement said: "It appears likely that the club will now be closed down and liquidated by the administrators as they are unable to support the continued trading of the club. Portsmouth Football Club is extremely disappointed to report that it has not yet managed to achieve the exit from administration, despite the extensive efforts of the Football League, NewCo, the administrators and their various legal advisors. "The most difficult aspect has been trying to achieve agreement with Alexandre [Sacha] Gaydamak after the remaining parties have agreed the deal and executed the necessary documents, namely the new owners, the administrators, the Football League and the creditors. "Put simply, despite being offered full payment for the secured part of his debt in accordance with the financial plan approved by the Football League, this morning Mr Gaydamak has demanded a very significant upfront cash payment in order to allow the deal to proceed by releasing his security." Andronikou said Gaydamak's demand to be paid the £2.5m in a single payment was unfeasible, given the club's stretched finances. "The statement is a little premature," he added. "He [Gaydamak] wants more security, which I fully appreciate. He will be repaid in full for his debenture of £2.5m but, like the rest of the creditors, it will have to be in instalments. "It's not possible [to pay the £2.5m in a single sum]. We've been running the club on a shoestring. We've got to deal with the needs of all creditors and we've got to secure the club going forward. He [Gaydamak] will have to stand in line like everybody else. He [is due] about £2.5m. He'll get that when everybody else gets paid." The Hong Kong businessman Balram Chainrai is in the process of buying Portsmouth and Andronikou claimed that only Gaydmak's stance was preventing completion. "All that's been done. All the paperwork with regard to the Football League and the Premier League has all been agreed. We're already to go," the administrator said. "We are ready to sign up the paper[work] and unfortunately Mr Gaydamak decided that he has got religious constraints, [so has] again decided for 24 hours to turn his phone off. I think through pure frustration the press release was released." It is thought Chainrai may have been behind the statement's publication. Andronikou said he hopes Gaydamak will be available to resolve any issues tomorrow evening. "I think the Sabbath starts at five o'clock [Friday evening] or when the sun goes down, so we can't speak to him until [then]. I'm trying to distance myself from this press release. But it's happened." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/22/portsmouth-administrator-claim
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Post by The Scooter on Oct 23, 2010 8:42:08 GMT
Gaydamak is the second largest creditor. The administrator's function is to secure the best deal for the creditors. What the hell this Andronikou character is up to is anyone's guess. Certainly doesn't seem to be doing his best for Mr Gaydamak, irrespective of anyone's personal take on the morality of Gaydamak bleeding the stone for what he is due. Seems to like the drama, the camera and a microphone a touch too much for a purely financial man.
I won't believe Pompey will go out of business. Gaydamak will need to accept the offer or risk losing everything. Maybe he can afford to to prove a point. Maybe not.
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Post by tonydavies44 on Oct 23, 2010 10:17:47 GMT
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Post by ingham on Oct 23, 2010 12:20:07 GMT
Safer to assume that these people never think about the Club at all. That they're only around to the extent that they can squeeze as much money out of the Club as possible.
And the enormous increase in spending that follows their arrival is the sight of the Club's money disappearing down the swanee never to return.
Of course their PR people don't let on while they're doing it. But it's usually all there in the accounts.
Great Club, putting money in, restoring it to its former glory, committed to the Club for next however many million years ...
No matter how many times they tell us, and no matter how many times they clear off leaving the Club worse off, we still welcome the next one as the golden future.
Somehow the old understanding that football was very difficult, and that success was very elusive, have gone. People who've never won anything and who know nothing about football can persuade us everything is all right by repeating the mantra that 'what this Club needs is investment'.
Whether giving fools money to burn really counts as 'investment' I can't say.
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Post by Hogan on Oct 23, 2010 12:52:02 GMT
The rules need some serious change, if these 'investors' want in then fine, but invest their own money and not the clubs, should not be allowed to burden the club with their debt, the debt should be theirs. Would sort the men from the boys.
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Post by cpr on Oct 23, 2010 13:17:28 GMT
I agree with Jamie Mackie, liquidise them.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 23, 2010 18:28:21 GMT
Saved again! BBC Portsmouth creditor Sacha Gaydamak to sign vital deal Pompey went into administration in February 2010 Portsmouth look set to avoid going out of business after lawyers representing former owner Sacha Gaydamak reached an agreement with the stricken club. Pompey had suggested a row over £2.2m owed to Gaydamak was preventing the club coming out of administration. But Gaydamak's lawyer said: "I will be talking to Sacha tonight [Saturday] and recommending the documents are signed." Earlier administrator Andrew Andronikou had told BBC Radio 5 live he expected "common sense to prevail". Gaydamak, Barclays Banks and another former owner, Balram Chainrai, are the Championship club's main secured creditors. Gaydamak says he has secured debt of more than £2.2m, and Portsmouth claim he asked for an unspecified amount of that to be paid up front and that they were likely to fold as a result. 606: DEBATE I for one hope that an agreement is made over the weekend and Pompey live, breath and play football for another 112 years. Play Up Pompey WatP However, Tim Stocks of Gaydamak's lawyers Taylor Wessing dismissed suggestions the former owner was putting the club's future in danger and added that there were merely some technical details to be agreed before a deal securing the club's future could be signed. "There was never any demand of £2.5m being paid in cash - there were five or six highly technical points on some of the contracts which I had agreed with the administrator," added Stocks. "I was baffled and saddened therefore to see announcements saying the club was at the brink, it has caused anxiety for no good reason. "My instructions are to work towards trying to get an agreement and I hope to do so." While Gaydamak is owed £2.2m, Pompey's former owner will receive £2.5m in instalments over five years. Stocks added: "This is a transaction that works for all creditors as well as Sacha so I'm hopeful we will get the paperwork signed. I would like to reassure Portsmouth fans that the club is not on the brink." Earlier on Saturday Andronikou told BBC Sport that "a very unusual situation" had been "taken to the brink". I have been monitoring the situation at Portsmouth for several months and trying to do a deal for some weeks Ex-Hull chief Paul Duffen But he added: "I think common sense will prevail and all parties will come to the table this weekend - but it has to be this weekend. "Yesterday evening's activities were really a wake-up call for everybody to say 'look, we just can't sit here whilst everybody else finesses their position. It is about coming to the table and cutting a deal'." Portsmouth's debt at one point stood at around £120m before they entered administration last season and were ultimately relegated, and Andronikou confirmed a deal worth 20p in the pound to unsecured creditors had been agreed. Meanwhile, former Hull chairman Paul Duffen has put together a consortium that is interested in taking over Portsmouth. "I have been monitoring the situation at Portsmouth for several months and trying to do a deal for some weeks," Duffen told Express FM. "I have a fully funded bid ready to go." Duffen was part of a consortium that bought the Tigers from Adam Pearson in June 2007, the year before they were promoted to the Premier League. They began the 2008-09 season well but struggled towards the end of the season and only escaped relegation on the last day of the campaign. Duffen stepped down as executive chairman of the club and Superstadium Management Company Ltd in October 2009, with Pearson returning to the club as chairman. In February Hull settled a financial dispute with Duffen out of court "on terms satisfactory to the club", after accusing their former chairman of spending company money for his own personal use. The club had also alleged Duffen's company received payments from agents in return for using those agents to deal with the transfer of players. Duffen had denied the allegations at a preliminary hearing at the High Court. newsvote.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/9120575.stm
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Post by harlingtonharry on Oct 23, 2010 20:34:12 GMT
I wonder when Briatore throws his toys from the pram, and leaves this club in the sh*t as hes sure to do, make no mistake, will all those above still have the same opinions ? lets not forget under paladini QPR have broken more rules than most, and this club has fans that are less than savoury....some of you have wished a club to go bust, yet the same people hated it when wimbledon went bust, a club most fans loathed...QPR could be next..careful what you wish for...
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Post by bowles on Oct 23, 2010 22:27:46 GMT
SO WE WONT GET TOMMY SMITH FOR NOTHING!!!!!! BOLLOX!
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Post by toboboly on Oct 24, 2010 14:35:14 GMT
Thank goodness, I bought my tickets for the game on Friday!
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Post by ingham on Oct 24, 2010 16:27:56 GMT
Earlier administrator Andrew Andronikou had told BBC Radio 5 live he expected "common sense to prevail".
Well, that WILL be a first!
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