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Series: The Knowledge
England's 1986 squad: the worst bunch of managers ever?A
Georgina Turner and Sean Ingle guardian.co.uk, Thursday 30 October 2003
After the sacking of Glenn Hoddle and the current predicament of Peter Reid and Bobby Robson, plus Bryan Robson, John Barnes and the like being sacked at one time or another," says Tai Wai Cheung, "has the 1986 England World Cup squad got the worst managerial record ever?"
In a word Tai, yes. The 1986 squad has got about as much managerial savvy as a chicken balti pie.
Of the 22-man squad, 14 went on to 'enjoy' managerial careers of varying, though consistently short, length.
Peter Shilton, goalkeeper extraordinaire, manager non-descript, lasted just three years at Plymouth Argyle, in which time he all-but-ruined the club and left a very bitter taste in the mouths of supporters.
And he was one of the stayers, with most of this duff lot lasting around the year mark.
Kenny Sansom was pretty feeble as Glenn Roeder's assistant at Watford; Mark Hateley took just over one season to push Hull City to the brink of non-league football before he was given his marching orders; and Chris Waddle's season at Burnley also ended with the Clarets touching relegation cloth.
Kerry Dixon put in a year at Doncaster and bothered Letchworth Town for a bit before signing up to his current post - Ryman Premier outfit Hitchin Town.
Ray Wilkins was pleased to get the nod from Fulham when he was sacked by QPR after a year - but lightening really can strike in the same place twice and he was out on his ear after another 12 month-flailing.
And there are managers from this shabby group who were given the boot before they'd even paid the removal men and unpacked the winter wardrobe.
Take a bow, John Barnes, who lasted eight months at Celtic before a 3-1 Scottish Cup defeat at the hands of Caledonian Thistle put the rubber stamp on his P45.
Meanwhile Terry Butcher, having put in a year at Coventry, was sacked just three months into the season at Sunderland, by which time he had managed to settle them nicely into 22nd. He went off to run a hotel called Obscurity in Scotland before resurfacing as manager of Motherwell this year.
But hats off to Terry Fenwick, who slogged for 12 whole games at Northampton Town before someone worked up the courage to tell him he was rubbish, and he's not been seen anywhere near management since.
And then there's 1986 mis-managers Glen "my or no way" Hoddle and Peter "first Sunderland, now Leeds" Reid. Is there no end to the curse of the hand of God?
MOST PENALTIES IN A MATCH?
"In this week's Arsenal v Rotherham match (which Arsenal won 9-8 on penalties), there were 24 penalties in total," points out Kevin Sykes. "Is this a record for most penalties, I don't ever recall a game in the UK with this many?"
We're not sure about the British record, Kevin. But it doesn't come close to the longest European or world penalty shoot-out record.
The European record? Well, that occurred in a match between Genclerbirligi and Galatasaray on November 28 1996 in the Turkish FA Cup.
As Seamus McCann explains, "The match finished 1-1 after extra time and Genclerbirligi eventually won the shoot-out 17-16," he adds. "Of the 34 penalties taken, only one was missed. Spare a thought for the poor Galatasaray keeper, Hayrettin, who saw all 17 penalties go past him."
The world record, meanwhile, occurred in the 1988-89 Argentine Championship, where penalties were taken after drawn matches for an extra point.
As Seamus explains. "In the match on November 20 1988 between Argentinos Juniors and Racing Club, which had finished 2-2, 44 penalties were taken before Argentinos emerged as 20-19 victors."
Know the UK record? Email knowledge@guardianunlimited.co.uk
HAS KEEGAN EVER HAD A TEAM BOOED OFF AT HALF-TIME?
"After the first leg of Manchester City's Uefa Cup tie against Lokeren, Kevin Keegan said he'd never had a team booed off the pitch at half time," says Michael Ebbs. "True or false? And if false, how many times has a Keegan team been booed off?"
This has provoked a stream of responses, with Chris Gallen summing up what many of you many of you have pointed out. "Kev must have a short memory," he writes, "as his team were booed off at the end of the first half against Aston Villa when trailing 1-0. That was 10 days before they were booed off against Lokeren."
Oliver Pybus goes even further, recounting a series of Manchester City-related jeers to trump even the Aston Villa game. "This first happened on Saturday November 16, 2002," he points out. "City had beaten United the week before and had given their fans a taste of the food at the top table. The same fans couldn't countenance the scraps fed to them at Maine Road as Charlton beat them 1-0.
"More recently, both teams were booed off at half-time when Middlesbrough went to Maine Road on April 25, 2003 and played out a 0-0 draw."
MOST GOALS IN THE SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME (2)
In last week's knowledge looked at the most goals in the shortest amount of time. But we missed out on this one...
"In September 2000 Wycombe Wanderers once scored two goals in nine seconds without the opposition touching the ball," says Stephen Tranter. 'How?' you might ask. Well, let Stephen explain.
"The referee blew the first-half whistle immediately after Jamie Bates' free kick had hit the back of Peterborough net in first-half stoppage time," he says. "Wycombe then kicked off the second-half and within nine seconds Jermaine McSporran had walked round three Posh defenders before striking the ball past Mark Tyler in the Peterborough goal."
Can you help?
"Cambridge United playing legend and now manager John 'Shaggy' Taylor recently returned to the first team to alleviate a striker shortage after a gap of about four seasons during which he didn't play and had effectively retired," asks Nik Shelton. "What is the longest gap between two games by a player at the same club when they haven't gone to any other clubs in between?"
"Steven Gerrard, it is well known, has never lost a game in an England shirt. Is his the longest unbeaten run any England player has ever enjoyed?" asks Will Jones. "And who, worldwide, has gone longest for his country without losing?"
"What's the longest run of league games without a draw," asks Peter Walsh.
www.guardian.co.uk/football/2003/oct/30/theknowledge.sport
Series: The Knowledge
England's 1986 squad: the worst bunch of managers ever?A
Georgina Turner and Sean Ingle guardian.co.uk, Thursday 30 October 2003
After the sacking of Glenn Hoddle and the current predicament of Peter Reid and Bobby Robson, plus Bryan Robson, John Barnes and the like being sacked at one time or another," says Tai Wai Cheung, "has the 1986 England World Cup squad got the worst managerial record ever?"
In a word Tai, yes. The 1986 squad has got about as much managerial savvy as a chicken balti pie.
Of the 22-man squad, 14 went on to 'enjoy' managerial careers of varying, though consistently short, length.
Peter Shilton, goalkeeper extraordinaire, manager non-descript, lasted just three years at Plymouth Argyle, in which time he all-but-ruined the club and left a very bitter taste in the mouths of supporters.
And he was one of the stayers, with most of this duff lot lasting around the year mark.
Kenny Sansom was pretty feeble as Glenn Roeder's assistant at Watford; Mark Hateley took just over one season to push Hull City to the brink of non-league football before he was given his marching orders; and Chris Waddle's season at Burnley also ended with the Clarets touching relegation cloth.
Kerry Dixon put in a year at Doncaster and bothered Letchworth Town for a bit before signing up to his current post - Ryman Premier outfit Hitchin Town.
Ray Wilkins was pleased to get the nod from Fulham when he was sacked by QPR after a year - but lightening really can strike in the same place twice and he was out on his ear after another 12 month-flailing.
And there are managers from this shabby group who were given the boot before they'd even paid the removal men and unpacked the winter wardrobe.
Take a bow, John Barnes, who lasted eight months at Celtic before a 3-1 Scottish Cup defeat at the hands of Caledonian Thistle put the rubber stamp on his P45.
Meanwhile Terry Butcher, having put in a year at Coventry, was sacked just three months into the season at Sunderland, by which time he had managed to settle them nicely into 22nd. He went off to run a hotel called Obscurity in Scotland before resurfacing as manager of Motherwell this year.
But hats off to Terry Fenwick, who slogged for 12 whole games at Northampton Town before someone worked up the courage to tell him he was rubbish, and he's not been seen anywhere near management since.
And then there's 1986 mis-managers Glen "my or no way" Hoddle and Peter "first Sunderland, now Leeds" Reid. Is there no end to the curse of the hand of God?
MOST PENALTIES IN A MATCH?
"In this week's Arsenal v Rotherham match (which Arsenal won 9-8 on penalties), there were 24 penalties in total," points out Kevin Sykes. "Is this a record for most penalties, I don't ever recall a game in the UK with this many?"
We're not sure about the British record, Kevin. But it doesn't come close to the longest European or world penalty shoot-out record.
The European record? Well, that occurred in a match between Genclerbirligi and Galatasaray on November 28 1996 in the Turkish FA Cup.
As Seamus McCann explains, "The match finished 1-1 after extra time and Genclerbirligi eventually won the shoot-out 17-16," he adds. "Of the 34 penalties taken, only one was missed. Spare a thought for the poor Galatasaray keeper, Hayrettin, who saw all 17 penalties go past him."
The world record, meanwhile, occurred in the 1988-89 Argentine Championship, where penalties were taken after drawn matches for an extra point.
As Seamus explains. "In the match on November 20 1988 between Argentinos Juniors and Racing Club, which had finished 2-2, 44 penalties were taken before Argentinos emerged as 20-19 victors."
Know the UK record? Email knowledge@guardianunlimited.co.uk
HAS KEEGAN EVER HAD A TEAM BOOED OFF AT HALF-TIME?
"After the first leg of Manchester City's Uefa Cup tie against Lokeren, Kevin Keegan said he'd never had a team booed off the pitch at half time," says Michael Ebbs. "True or false? And if false, how many times has a Keegan team been booed off?"
This has provoked a stream of responses, with Chris Gallen summing up what many of you many of you have pointed out. "Kev must have a short memory," he writes, "as his team were booed off at the end of the first half against Aston Villa when trailing 1-0. That was 10 days before they were booed off against Lokeren."
Oliver Pybus goes even further, recounting a series of Manchester City-related jeers to trump even the Aston Villa game. "This first happened on Saturday November 16, 2002," he points out. "City had beaten United the week before and had given their fans a taste of the food at the top table. The same fans couldn't countenance the scraps fed to them at Maine Road as Charlton beat them 1-0.
"More recently, both teams were booed off at half-time when Middlesbrough went to Maine Road on April 25, 2003 and played out a 0-0 draw."
MOST GOALS IN THE SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME (2)
In last week's knowledge looked at the most goals in the shortest amount of time. But we missed out on this one...
"In September 2000 Wycombe Wanderers once scored two goals in nine seconds without the opposition touching the ball," says Stephen Tranter. 'How?' you might ask. Well, let Stephen explain.
"The referee blew the first-half whistle immediately after Jamie Bates' free kick had hit the back of Peterborough net in first-half stoppage time," he says. "Wycombe then kicked off the second-half and within nine seconds Jermaine McSporran had walked round three Posh defenders before striking the ball past Mark Tyler in the Peterborough goal."
Can you help?
"Cambridge United playing legend and now manager John 'Shaggy' Taylor recently returned to the first team to alleviate a striker shortage after a gap of about four seasons during which he didn't play and had effectively retired," asks Nik Shelton. "What is the longest gap between two games by a player at the same club when they haven't gone to any other clubs in between?"
"Steven Gerrard, it is well known, has never lost a game in an England shirt. Is his the longest unbeaten run any England player has ever enjoyed?" asks Will Jones. "And who, worldwide, has gone longest for his country without losing?"
"What's the longest run of league games without a draw," asks Peter Walsh.
www.guardian.co.uk/football/2003/oct/30/theknowledge.sport