QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock

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QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 12, 2010 7:55:18 GMT

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[Edit a year. Not sure if includes Sc**thorpe result. And includes cup games.

Played Won Lost Drawn

Warnock 56 27 18 11

Harford 8 1 6 1

Hart 5 1 2 2

Magilton 24 9 7 8

Sousa 26 7 7 12

Dowie 15 8 4 3

De Canio 35 12 12 11

Gregory 48 13 23 12

Waddock 23 4 11 8

Holloway 252 100 81 71

Stats from www.soccerbase.com/manager_history.sd?teamid=2093

Last Edit: Apr 10, 2011 7:46:21 GMT by Macmoish

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QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 12, 2010 7:56:21 GMT

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And all those managers (From Soccerbase)

Neil Warnock 02-03-2010 Present
Mick Harford 15-01-2010 02-03-2010
Paul Hart 17-12-2009 15-01-2010
Steve Gallen 16-12-2009 17-12-2009
Jim Magilton 03-06-2009 16-12-2009
Gareth Ainsworth 09-04-2009 03-05-2009
Paulo Sousa 19-11-2008 09-04-2009
Gareth Ainsworth 24-10-2008 19-11-2008
Iain Dowie 14-05-2008 24-10-2008
Luigi De Canio 29-10-2007 12-05-2008
Mick Harford 01-10-2007 29-10-2007
John Gregory 20-09-2006 01-10-2007
Gary Waddock 06-02-2006 19-09-2006
Ian Holloway 26-02-2001 06-02-2006
Gerry Francis 16-10-1998 25-02-2001
Iain Dowie 28-09-1998 16-10-1998
Ray Harford 05-12-1997 28-09-1998
John Hollins 11-11-1997 05-12-1997
Stewart Houston 16-09-1996 10-11-1997
Ray Wilkins 15-11-1994 04-09-1996
Gerry Francis 01-06-1991 11-11-1994
Don Howe 28-11-1989 21-05-1991
Trevor Francis 14-12-1988 27-11-1990
Jim Smith 11-06-1985 04-12-1988
Frank Sibley 05-12-1984 01-06-1985
Alan Mullery 20-06-1984 05-12-1984
Gordon Jago 28-05-1984 05-06-1984
Terry Venables 01-10-1980 24-05-1984
Tommy Docherty 11-05-1979 01-10-1980
Steve Burtenshaw 10-08-1978 10-05-1979
Alec Stock 30-07-1978 10-08-1978
Frank Sibley 10-07-1977 29-07-1978
Dave Sexton 16-10-1974 09-07-1977
Stan Anderson 07-09-1974 16-10-1974
Gordon Jago 06-01-1971 27-09-1974
Les Allen 01-12-1969 06-01-1970
Tommy Docherty 01-11-1968 30-11-1968
Bill Dodgin(Jnr) 01-08-1968 01-11-1968
Jimmy Andrews 01-08-1965 31-07-1965
Alec Stock 01-08-1959 01-08-1968

Jack Taylor 01-06-1952 01-05-1959
Dave Mangnall 01-04-1944 31-05-1952
Ted Vizard 01-05-1939 01-04-1944
Billy Birrell 01-04-1935 01-05-1939
Mick O'Brien 01-05-1933 01-04-1935
Archie Mitchell 01-11-1931 01-05-1933
John Bowman 01-05-1930 01-11-1931
Bob Hewison 01-08-1925 01-05-1930
Will Wood 01-08-1924 31-05-1925
Ned Liddell 01-04-1920 31-05-1924
James Howie 01-08-1913 01-04-1920
James Cowan 01-08-1906 31-05-1913

Stats from www.soccerbase.com/manager_history.sd?teamid=2093

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Lonegunmen Administrator Posts: 23,431	QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 12, 2010 8:07:20 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 12, 2010 8:07:20 GMT So Ollie and Dowie are the best!

eusebio13 Guest	QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 12, 2010 8:44:20 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by eusebio13 on Apr 12, 2010 8:44:20 GMT 7 managers with 26 or less games not counting Ainsworth or Gallen/Bircham....bugger me
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QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 13, 2010 6:49:56 GMT

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To repost what SirPieChucker wrote a year ago comparing Dowie and Sousa and probing a little deeper

The Next Manager

Posted Yesterday at 03:39 PM by sirpiechucker
It appears that other than going back to De Canio the majority of fans now want (demand) a British Manager. Names such as Stuart Pearce, Alan Curbishley, Glen Roeder, Paul Ince, Dennis Wise & Darren Ferguson are being thrown around but for what reason? Are we in the belief that the only managers that will get you of this league are British or that somehow these men have what it takes to get us deal with both Briatore and a promotion campaign?

A year from now if we are a top 6 side and our best players have been playing regularly and we've invested more money into the first team people will have forgotten about Sousa, Dowie and those before them. Others (myself included) will still think that something should have happened this season. We already had an English manager, we already had a manager with experience in the Championship, we already had a manager with the knowledge of the opposition, we already had a manager who has taken a team from the Championship and into the Premiership. How many of the managers being touted for the job now can tick all those boxes. Curbishley may be the only one of those who has taken a team up but when was he last in charge of a Championship club? The answer 99/00 - from that league only 10 of the 24 teams are still Championship sides - hardly equates to a lot of knowledge about our opponents. Curbishley is the one man from that list who wouldn't work under Briatore.

So what are we left with? A group of managers who have little experience of working in this league, a group of managers who have little knowledge of getting teams promoted from the Championship (completely different league to League Two - Mr Ince and Mr Ferguson). Whoever is given the job will get my full backing but was Dowie doing such a bad job anyway? How about Sousa in comparison?

Arguably our best players are Vine and Buzsaky, some (myself included) believe the influence of Rowlands is huge and that he could walk into pratically any team in this league. Agyemang is another who gives an alternative option which we've missed since he was injured. So how did they all do under Dowie and Sousa? Note their availability under both managers compared with under De Canio:

Under Dowie
12 league matches - 13 goals (1.08 goals per game)

How many matches did Buzsaky play? 7 out of 12 (58%)
How many matches did Vine play? 0 out of 12 (0%)
How many matches did Rowlands play? 10 out of 12 (83%)
How many matches did Agyemang play? 8 out of 12 (66%)

What percentage did all three appear under Dowie? 52%
Total goals scored by all three under Dowie: 3
Total points available under Dowie: 36
Points achieved under Dowie: 18 (50%)

50% points achievement equates to 69 points over the course of a 46 match season. Last season 69 points finished 8th. If last season was about survival and this season was about improvement then from 14th to 8th would have been a good achievement especially with 4 of our core players only playing 52% of the time.

Under Sousa
23 league matches - 22 goals (0.95 goals per game)

How many matches did Buzsaky play? 0 out of 23 (0%)
How many matches did Vine play? 1 out of 23 (4%)
How many matches did Rowlands play? 9 out of 23 (39%)
How many matches did Agyemang play? 7 out of 23 (30%)

What percentage did all three appear under Sousa? 18%
Total goals scored by all three under Sousa: 1
Total points available under Sousa: 69
Points achieved under Sousa: 32 (46.3%)

46.3% points achievement equates to 64 points over the course of a 46 match season. Last season 64 points finished 10th. A slight improvement on 14th but this was with 4 of our core players only playing 18% of the time. The 4 made 16 out of a possible 92 appearances (1 appearance per player per match = 92). Buzsaky couldn't make an appearance under Sousa but played in all but seven of De Canio's teams while Vine played in all but six.

Under De Canio
34 league matches - 50 goals (1.47 goals per game) - Only WBA scored more goals in this period

How many matches did Buzsaky play? 27 out of 34 (79%)
How many matches did Vine play? 28 out of 34 (82%)
How many matches did Rowlands play? 32 out of 34 (94%)
How many matches did Agyemang play? 17 out of 21 (81%)

What percentage did all three appear under this manager? 84%
Total goals scored by all three under this manager: 30

Sousa and Dowie are now in the past but both were on course to make improvements on last season. Both did it without some of their key players. As I've already said in a year from now if we are in the top 6 and more money has been invested I ask people to remember that Dowie and Sousa were not failures but were doing the job without key players and the extra investment which a new manager would have been given.

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Macmoish Administrator Posts: 60,298	QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 10, 2011 7:47:01 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Macmoish on Apr 10, 2011 7:47:01 GMT Bump a year with Warnock at (including yesterday? & Including cup games, which for QPR obviously don't count!) QPR 02 Mar, 2010 Present 56 27 18 11
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QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 10, 2011 9:21:49 GMT

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Post by harlowranger on Apr 10, 2011 9:21:49 GMT

Some nice Sirpie work there , correct Mac the two cup games are in that list .
Defeat to VALE and BLACKBURN!

54 LEAGUE GAMES TO DATE

Warnock picking up 20 points last year from 14 Games
and this year 79 points from 40 games

54 GAMES 99 POINTS , 27 WINS , 18 DRAWS , 9 DEFEATS IN TOTAL

Still pretty impressive reading and not far short of 2 points per game.

Keep that going and we will end up around the 90 point mark .

Are we really going to get near 90 points?

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QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 10, 2011 9:26:53 GMT

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Post by Macmoish on Apr 10, 2011 9:26:53 GMT

We can all nitpick at Warnock - maybe should have played Miller and/or Buzsaky...or maybe a couple of different defenders.

But I can honestly not think any other current manager who I would rather have in charge for this end of season finale.

That doesn't make Warnock another Alex Ferguson/Terry Venable/Mourinho, etc. Or the most innovative coach,e tc.

But for where we are. And where we've come from, in the last year. And where we hope to be come August. Warnock is THE Man.

And if G-d forbid, we were somehow forced into the playoffs, the same would apply. He's been there. He's done that. Doesn't guarantee success. But sure helps.

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Macmoish Administrator Posts: 60,298	QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 10, 2011 10:18:59 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Macmoish on Apr 10, 2011 10:18:59 GMT But one addendum: Warnock's back is a lot more protected than was Holloway's (and a bunch of others). That certainly helps
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QPR Managerial Stats: From Holloway to Warnock Apr 10, 2011 11:07:43 GMT

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Post by saphilip on Apr 10, 2011 11:07:43 GMT

Okay it might not be the same as winning the treble or Euro Champs League, but getting 6 clubs promoted - with a 7th on the brink - as a manager deserves some recognition. In many respects it is probably even harder to do that than to win countless trophies at a team with huge cash reserves - let's face it most of the clubs that NW has managed were not exactly flush with huge cash reserves.

He might have plenty of critics and there may be plenty of people who dislike him but his record proves that he is a pretty good coach in his own right.