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Post by QPR Report on Jul 9, 2009 18:26:54 GMT
Anyone actually understand the bottom line?
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 9, 2009 18:32:26 GMT
Apparently his nickname is 'el Mago', 'The Magician' so I'm guessing it's a false bottom surrounded by smoke and mirrors...Only those in the magic circle will ever know the truth.
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 9, 2009 18:34:45 GMT
But it was all Magilton and Gorman, right? Because those financial details sound like they'd take some working out
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Post by londonranger on Jul 9, 2009 18:36:39 GMT
Precisely my director. Cordoba is 31 deg. 22 min. S. Latitide. I assume this is what you meant.
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Post by londonranger on Jul 9, 2009 18:42:44 GMT
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 10, 2009 7:19:17 GMT
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 10, 2009 8:41:39 GMT
London Paper/Gerry Cox - New QPR signing Alejandro Faurlin is tipped to be a crowd-pleaser by Hoops boss Jim Magilton Manager impressed by Argentine's ability to create chances Jim Magilton says he needed just one look at new signing Alejandro Faurlin to realise that the Argentinian midfielder can become a real crowd-pleaser at QPR.
Faurlin became Magilton’s first signing as the new Rangers manager when he agreed a £3.5m fee with Argentine club Instituto for the 22-year-.old.
Magilton and assistant John Gorman had spotted Faurlin among hundreds of DVDs sent in by agents, and he said: “He stood out, so John flew to South America to see him in action. We got him over on trial and straightaway we could see what he was like.
“He’s been terrific in training, his attitude is good and he has a real hunger. I think the fans will take to him, and we hope he can hit the ground running.”
Gorman added: “He’s a big lad – 6ft 2 ins – with a great left foot, but he doesn’t just sit out on the wing. He loves to get in there, he can create chances and make things happen.”
Both men are fired up by the challenge ahead at Loftus Road, with Magilton admitting that he had learned from his first experience of management, at Ipswich.
"He doesn’t just sit out on the wing. He loves to get in there, he can create chances and make things happen" He was replaced by Roy Keane towards the end of last season, which was disappointing after he had taken to the fringe of the play-offs the year before.
He said: “There are areas where I know I went wrong, and it is important to analyse and reflect on the good and bad things. What I do know is this division and the players in it, and John and I are ambitious for this club.
“You can’t knock enthusiasm and a love of the game, and we’ve got a surprisingly good group of players here.”
He revealed that former David Connolly could yet be signed if he impresses in pre-season.
The former Watford and Ireland striker is a free agent and training with QPR as part of his rehabilitation from almost 18 months out with injury.
“We will see how he gets on,” said Magilton.
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Post by londonranger on Jul 11, 2009 4:15:24 GMT
1. why do we buy an Argentinian
2. He plays in a division that is weaker than the championship
3.Why do they make the announcement before he has received his work permit. Only then is the contract meaningful. Even then it may not be.
4There is a gap in his bio which I cant find. in 2003 he played for Argentina against
Switzerland and Nigeria. It is not clear who he played for.
5. He played for another team 2006, 2007 (Vital has that, then 2 yrs with Cordoba Institute or less?
6.In the short time that JM was hired, he and Gorman review over 200 CDs sent to them by agents, that would be a huge task and where was the time.
7. He sends Gorman down for a look, why not the manager?
8. When he was on the last legs at Ipswich he also signs an Argentinian.
9.There is a discrepancy as to the announced fee and what the home club says was the fee.
10So it could be that we havent a fair contract from the real owners of his contract.
11, So it could be that this deal could fall apart.
12.We have to deal with agents but why argentinian ones. We have an ex agent on the Board. What financial rewards come to the club that they wouldnt get by buying in UK or Europe.
He had wanted Spain, Italy or greece but prefers QPRs fine organization and approach. Who told him to say that?
13 Had these other countries really wanted him or is this sales pitching for value and toiincrease his worth. Make a bid now say the agents or youll lose him.
14. JM says he is 6 ft 2 in. He is listed at 5 ft 11 in. on his club site.
15, why would flav approve this buy, or did he and Paladini have other reasons for approving, especially when the urgent need is to splash for a striker.
16 Why didnt JM insist if this kind of money was to be spent it should be on a striker.
17 why did flav tell JM when he signed on that there wasnt much money available for new players. 18 why did Jm and gorman say this is really a set team strong everyone gets a chance.
19 while at the same time poring over 200 CDs of sent to them by agents, one of which was Faurlin and suddenly Eureka. 20. I have to admit, I dont understand it at all.
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Post by QPR Report on Jul 11, 2009 12:17:08 GMT
Thanks London...
I'd say after all we've seen, skepticism is always the order of the day: As Ronald Reagan used to say "Trust, but Verify"
Meanwhile we supposedly have an International Forward. More research required!
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Post by londonranger on Jul 11, 2009 13:28:47 GMT
thanks, how about verify then trust.
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Post by ingham on Jul 11, 2009 17:03:37 GMT
Assume that players, agents, managers and directors move around from Club to Club. They do.
Assume that it doesn't take them by surprise. They know it.
Assume that they intend to move around from Club to Club.
Managers take players they like from one Club to another. Assume they intend to do that all along. Their loyalty is to their own 'stable'. Their agent, their players.
Assume they negotiate their contracts - and the players do the same - on the basis, not that they'll be staying for years, but that they'll be on the move very quickly.
Assume that the directors - like the manager and the players - know that any Club will win some, lose some.
And they all know that sacking time is during a losing streak. It doesn't take long to realise that most managers, like most players and most directors, have no idea how to win things.
Assume that they aren't trying to. Not with any expectation that they will succeed. Most of them must realise they're not up to it very early in their careers.
Assume that the supporters notice this very quickly. They do.
So the manager and players must be prepared to move on fast. Especially as the tendency is to hype them way beyond their abilities. Hope soon turns to hostility.
Assume that a managr isn't replaced because losing isn't good enough, but because losing is when you replacea manager. And he isn't replaced because his successor knows more than him, but because his successor is someone else.
Assume that the whole point of making a change isn't to get a better manager, but to get another manager. The manager isn't the issue, the change is the issue.
Change something, and you can start making all the same mistakes again from scratch. And restart the losing money process as if it's from scratch. Leave the existing debt intact, and pile on even more liabilities.
Tell me that hasn't happened at QPR, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Fulham and anywhere else. It has. And the process is accelerating. We've lost £6 million, double what we lost just a few years ago.
Assume that Clubs run on losses and debt not because they must pay for success, but becasue they must pay for failure, and pay fast because the failures will be soon on their way.
Inept players, unknown players, hopeless managers are fed back into the system at a slightly different point every time to siphon off everything that is of value at a Club. It is amazing how players who've been useless at 10 Clubs end up at QPR, as great white hopes.
Assume that this is happening at an accelerating pace because the Clubs' resources are diminishing fast. Earnings are not enough, assets have been swallowed up by debt. Attendances will fall as prices rise to cover the shortfall between losses and earnings.
Sound familiar? And even a Club the size of Liverpool are finding it difficult to meet the current instalments on their 20 year loans already. So when all the other Clubs' measurable earnings over the next 20 or 30 years have all been spent, or the period of time becomes too speculative and the moneylenders back off, what will be left to borrow against?
And what is going on now. At United. Or Real. Or QPR. Cutting back. Lowering wages. Reducing losses. Repaying debts.
Not a bit of it. If that happens, all the losers earn less and less as more and more of the Clubs' limited earnings goes backwards in time to cover losses incurred perhaps decades ago.
The worse the situation gets, the more frenzied it all becomes. the spending. Even in the face of a recession, or 15 years of failure. We're almost relegated and double the prices. Lucky we didn't go down. It might be £1,500 a seat.
But Assumptions can go into reverse. The benefit of the doubt might suddenly vanish. Instead of saviours, investors, managers, players might be treated like uninvited strangers wandering around in your house in the middle of the night. Guilty of housebreaking just because they're there.
We shouldn't make false claims ourselves. So why should we swallow theirs wholesale.
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Post by obk on Jul 11, 2009 17:52:14 GMT
thanks, how about verify then trust. Haha, much better than Reagan! Actually I heard from a famous swedish photographer living in my town, that was specially invited to follow Reagan on one of his election campaigns, that there was this one really big difference between Carter and Reagan. Carter wanted to read every paper and think about every decision, up to the point where he couldn't cope with the task. Reagan on the other hand only read the three first sentences of every paper and decided on what he read there (and trust in his advisors I assume? the story doesn't tell...). Hence I can understand Reagans motto....I wonder if he did verify afterwards?
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Post by londonranger on Jul 11, 2009 19:13:03 GMT
Well Ingham, thanks for your missive which helps me in one way and confuses me in another. So the Argentine move was an Ipswich immigration so thats the agents who seem to do very well thank you in contrast to the accumulative debt that is the ebb and flow or the life force or death force of football.
Meanwhile the Glazer family have told their Mancunians Spend Away buy to your hearts content despite their enormous debt. So its not all that bad especially when you can walk away from it. But switch to Formula One for a minute. If Briatore put rusted parts in his cars and engines and hired drivers with 20/50 vision he would be out of business.
But with football buy a stranger from a strange land buy cripples and unexamined and cast offs and it sells, but like you said, it doesnt win. So is that the point, winning is everything in Fl but not important in football. if you can use it as a hedge or leverage against and for other businesses.
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Post by ingham on Jul 11, 2009 20:00:16 GMT
We're the problem.
They all think like this. They all benefit from it. But we don't. It isn't why we're here. For us the Club is a real, solid, limited thing. We like that. It's the point of the whole exercise, that QPR isn't anything else.
But with this lot, and their predecessors, it is anything else. So we're increasingly at odds with them. Great, a record signing, and an Argentinian to boot. Did anyone seem pleased?
What QPR is to us is one thing, what they're doing, whatever that is, doesn't reflect it. If we're detached, they're unhinged.
Stories which would once have passed muster as part of the usual day to day doings of the Club are routinely challenged or laughed at now.. And not just the 'usual suspects'.
Just as the diehards are turning in their tickets - something that must be almost unprecedented at an English football club - the optimists are turning in their optimism.
I don't think it's despair. It's the cruellest thing in football - wait and see. The managers and investors have lived on credit for so long, the Clubs', and the routine optimism, that I don't think they've taken in what's happening. It's time to deliver. Instead of believing, we'll believe it when we see it.
That's not cynicism, it's fair. Handsome is as handsome does.
Our vision of the Club isn't amenable to change. We won't accept change of identity, we've always objected to change of location, we won't accept different colours. And because of this it is as if we're holding the Club - the real QPR - together by sheer willpower.
And we're wondering whether they're looking for ways to let it fall apart.
Do they matter? If they try to change it, they're finished. If they don't, they're hardly the people they're cracked up to be. For QPR to remain QPR wouldn't reflect anything on them.
Is that why they seem so threatening?
Personally, I find it difficult to focus on them. They seem insubstantial. While the supporters, and the Club - in the terms I've described them - are rock solid.
Our world is a simple one. The Club earns money and spends it. It wins or it loses. It goes on trying.
Our way works.
Theirs doesn't even make sense.
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Post by londonranger on Jul 11, 2009 21:24:27 GMT
Look at Middlesbrough, look at Newcastle, southampton Charlton, Forest, Leeds. Brilliant piece and nail-head we get what we get
and live with it or laugh or be bitter.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 14, 2010 20:28:35 GMT
I presume this was true or the Official Site surely wouldnt have said it From last July QPR Official Site - FAURLIN: THE FIRST INTERVIEW- New signing Alejandro Faurlin spoke exclusively to www.qpr.co.uk late last night (Tuesday), after putting pen to paper on a three year deal with the R's. - The Argentine midfielder, who R's Assistant Manager John Gorman identified on a recent scouting trip to South America, is clearly delighted to be starting the next chapter of his short, but so far sweet career, in West London. - "It's a great opportunity for me," he told www.qpr.co.uk, speaking through a translator. - "I am proud to be in England and playing for a Club like Queens Park Rangers." - Faurlin, who through broken English revealed that fellow Argentine showman Carlos Tevez is his hero, added: "I am delighted to be here. - "The football over here is very different to Argentina, but I will work hard to adapt to the English game. - "I want to show my qualities and I have already been very impressed with the quality of my team-mates. The standard and intensity of the training is very high and really impressive." - Faurlin, who is currently awaiting international clearance before his move to Loftus Road is rubber stamped, can't wait to pull on a QPR shirt for the first time, adding: "I just want to play now. - "I feel very fit and can't wait for the chance to show the fans what I am capable of. - "I hope to achieve big things at QPR." QPR QPR Official Site - EXCLUSIVE: R'S AGREE FAURLIN DEAL- Jim Magilton's first signing as QPR Manager has arrived in the shape of Argentinean midfielder Alejandro Faurlin. - The 22 year-old has penned a three year deal at Loftus Road, with Rangers agreeing a deal worth £3.5million for the left-sided player. - The deal, however, is subject to Faurlin receiving international clearance. - Speaking exclusively to www.qpr.co.uk, Magilton expressed his delight at the signing of the left footed midfielder, commenting: "He's a good signing for the Football Club. - "We've had a good look at him and I believe he'll be a valuable addition to the squad. - "He's a likeable young lad who plays with a smile on his face, so we'll have no problems." - Faurlin, who made 34 appearances last year for the Argentine Club Instituto, said: "I am really pleased to be here in England, playing for a Club like Queens Park Rangers. - "I know a lot about the English game and I really admire the ability of the teams at this level. - "I am really looking forward to playing for the Club and showing the Manager, my fellow players and the QPR supporters what I can do." - Faurlin added: "I had opportunities to play in Spain, Italy and Greece, but QPR was my choice and I'm delighted to be here. - "I was really impressed with the set-up and the ambition of the Club and can't wait to make my QPR debut." - More reaction to followQPR QPR Official Site - JIM'S JOY AT FIRST SIGNING - Jim Magilton wore a broad smile this evening (Tuesday) after clinching the signing of Argentinean ace Alejandro Faurlin. - The 22 year-old midfielder has penned a three year deal - subject to international clearance - and becomes Magilton's first signing at Loftus Road. - "We've been watching the lad for some time. John (Gorman) recognised him a long time ago," Magilton revealed to www.qpr.co.uk.- "We've seen him in action and on DVD's and assessed what he's about, but having him here for the last few days has given us a chance to see what he's really like and we've been impressed. - "He plays central midfield. He's got a lovely left foot, a great work ethic and in a 46 game season, he'll be a valuable player for us." - Magilton added: "We knew about his quality and ability, but his attitude over the last few days has been great too. - "I've signed an Argentinean before and the attitude and the hunger is apparent with Alejandro, as it was with (Luciano) Civelli. - "It's all happened pretty quickly, but we're delighted to have him here. He'll bring extra quality to the squad, there's no doubt about that." QPR
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 14, 2010 20:47:05 GMT
Alternatively Paladini in his Interview with SM
"...Moving onto the playing side now, how did we find Faurlin and what was paid for him?
Gianni started by asking me what I thought of him. I said that I really rated him, and still think he has been one of our best signings for a long time. Gianni nodded and agreed, and said what a huge admirer of him he is.
Faurlin came as a recommendation from a close friend I have at Inter Milan. They had been watching him for quite some time, but eventually decided that he probably wouldn’t be good enough to fit into their plans. My friend got on the phone to me and said “Get over there quickly, you HAVE to see this kid play, he would be brilliant for QPR” so that’s what we did. We went over to Argentina to watch him play, and of all the games to do it - he goes and gets himself sent off! But the talent that he had was clear to see, we knew he would be a great signing. We started talking with him, and found that his contract was due to expire at the end of that season. He verbally agreed to sign for us there and then.
As for the fee, it can rise to £3.5 million if certain clauses are met, but it wasn’t paid upfront. "
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Post by cpr on Mar 14, 2010 21:10:15 GMT
The super scout scoured south america and found him, don't believe that rubbish on the official site. Also ignore the kid from Argentina that Gorman found for Ipswich. None of this is true. It is vital that the new history is believed.
Now behave yourself Mr Report and kindly re-write those official announcements so they match the new facts.
Also, ignore what Magilton said on goals on sunday about Faurlin, he was quite obviously lying, so he was.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 14, 2010 21:27:53 GMT
Dave McIntyre Dave McIntyre/BBC606 - Magilton eyes first signing Rangers are hoping to sign Argentine playmaker Alejandro Damian Faurlin. - The 22-year-old’s performances for Argentine side Instituto have sparked interest from a number of Italian clubs, but QPR will this week try to persuade him to join them. - Jim Magilton has looked to Argentina before, signing Luciano Civelli for Ipswich last season, and John Gorman recently visited there on a scouting mission. - Following his return, an approach for Faurlin was made and the player is due to fly to London and have talks with Rangers on Monday, so more on this tomorrow. And how we discussed it qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=4862&page=1
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Post by superckat on Mar 15, 2010 0:44:07 GMT
Well the official site isn't seeing the big picture. Petey reliably informs the WATRBS of some of GP's finds and says "Would also add Faurlin, who he spotted but was kind enough to let Magilton and gorman take the praise for it"
Wasn't that nice of him. He's my hero.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Mar 15, 2010 1:53:34 GMT
Gianni, you da man, Person of the year for my choice.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 15, 2010 7:09:32 GMT
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Mar 15, 2010 9:14:59 GMT
Well the official site isn't seeing the big picture. Petey reliably informs the WATRBS of some of GP's finds and says "Would also add Faurlin, who he spotted but was kind enough to let Magilton and gorman take the praise for it" Wasn't that nice of him. He's my hero. Oh dear
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 12, 2010 18:25:58 GMT
Guess should bump!
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Post by eusebio13 on Apr 13, 2010 0:32:17 GMT
Petey is a liar
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Post by londonranger on Apr 13, 2010 1:07:13 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 13, 2010 1:36:40 GMT
He discovered gravity and let Newton have the credit.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 13, 2010 1:47:26 GMT
He discovered the Holy Roman empire and let charlemagne have the credit. But more important than all of these he dscovered
BORROWDALE.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 13, 2010 1:50:42 GMT
Ahhhh Yrag, the consumate Left Back that Half of the top Champions League teams wanted but we needed him for our our campaign.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 13, 2010 2:43:32 GMT
Thats why our sporting director doesnt need scouts. He could buy any cokamamie bloke on two feet that he wanted and grin all the way to the bank.
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