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Post by toothache on Feb 2, 2010 23:44:30 GMT
With rumours of a rift between chairman and manager, how long do you think Paulo will be in charge of Swansea City?
Still think he will be much better abroad and will probably do very well in Portugal, Italy or Spain, his style of defending in numbers would suit his style.
I would hazard a guess he will leave in the summer.
What do you guys think?
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 2, 2010 23:50:09 GMT
Sure he may leave in the summer - to a better club - having proven himself. He's already lasted longer than Magilton. He's done a great job with few resources. Makes one wonder how he'd have done if he'd backed instead of undermined at QPR. If he'd been given the rest of the season and the summer. And been given the chance to sign players he wanted
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Feb 2, 2010 23:59:57 GMT
He's doing his rumours routine now. Fantastic stuff.
I told you boys, this troll is a keeper.
Face-ache, Tell us the one about Ched on the bus to bath. I love that one, cracks me up everytime. ;D ;D
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Post by toothache on Feb 3, 2010 0:06:27 GMT
Cannot help thinking thats the reason why people liked Paulo?
Lets be honest it was not for his football. I think unjustly supporters saw Lopez come in and Blackstock dropped that he was his own man and that could spell the end of Gianni Paladini. Never really thought that was on the cards, though of course I'm sure most were frustrated with the style of football.
The very reason that most liked Paulo was simply they had this notion that it would mean we have no DOF. We can argue all day long about the need of a DOF and I'm with you it needs changing now with a manager and chairman relationship, the reality is at the time with Sousa being manager the DOF's position was never in jeopardy, some think it was. Thats how you get the admiration for Paulo Sousa.
Its a common theme the ones not liking GP, wanted Paulo Sousa to succeed as they felt it was their way of things being changed at the highest level, when really that was not the case at all.
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 3, 2010 0:08:37 GMT
Cannot help thinking thats the reason why people liked Paulo? Lets be honest it was not for his football. I think unjustly supporters saw Lopez come in and Blackstock dropped that he was his own man and that could spell the end of Gianni Paladini. Never really thought that was on the cards, though of course I'm sure most were frustrated with the style of football. The very reason that most liked Paulo was simply they had this notion that it would mean we have no DOF. We can argue all day long about the need of a DOF and I'm with you it needs changing now with a manager and chairman relationship, the reality is at the time with Sousa being manager the DOF's position was never in jeopardy, some think it was. Thats how you get the admiration for Paulo Sousa. Its a common theme the ones not liking GP, wanted Paulo Sousa to succeed as they felt it was their way of things being changed at the highest level, when really that was not the case at all. This is certainly an interesting perspective, which I certainly never considered
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Post by toothache on Feb 3, 2010 0:09:55 GMT
zed me old mucker how are you sunshine?
Did you ever recover from the astroturf?
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Post by toothache on Feb 3, 2010 0:12:23 GMT
qprreport I'm sure you did.
I could never work out why so many admired paulo Sousa, then by process of elimination you just look at the anti GP posters and you will see a love and admiration of the grey haired one from Portugal.
The admiration was definitely not for his style of football or his win ratio which was around 25%.
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Post by toothache on Feb 3, 2010 0:18:33 GMT
I would also add, instead of looking at the facts, that the reverse on why De Canio was not liked.
Its quite clear to anyone who witnesses posters make the same old posts
If you like Sousa, you don't like GP
You could not possibly like Gigi De Canio because despite his record at QPR, the fact he was seen to be friendly with a few fans and had a good rapport with GP it made him a bad manager.
Funny that, because the record books in years to come will show a big difference to those assumptions
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 3, 2010 0:34:03 GMT
I would also add, instead of looking at the facts, that the reverse on why De Canio was not liked. Its quite clear to anyone who witnesses posters make the same old posts If you like Sousa, you don't like GP You could not possibly like Gigi De Canio because despite his record at QPR, the fact he was seen to be friendly with a few fans and had a good rapport with GP it made him a bad manager. Funny that, because the record books in years to come will show a big difference to those assumptions Wonder if De Canio will return!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 3, 2010 0:35:53 GMT
Sousa has lasted at Swansea longer than Magilton and hart combined and it looks like longer than harford combined as well if these results dont improve pronto.
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Post by toothache on Feb 3, 2010 0:50:36 GMT
Despite w12ranger indicating it was some kind of marketing campaign to return, in truth he will not return.
He is happy in Italy, will be in Serie A next season and the last thing he would want to do is return as QPR manager. Would like to see him pop over for a game though. ;D
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 3, 2010 0:52:39 GMT
Maybe Gianni will pop back from his retirement and he can watch a game with him!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 3, 2010 0:53:36 GMT
I wonder what he (di canio) would have achieved if family matters had not happened? I reckon he would bring out the very best in Faurlin for example.
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Post by toothache on Feb 3, 2010 0:55:14 GMT
Argument to say he may have got the best out of Ledesma and even Parejo.
We will never know, still think Jim Magilton had us playing the best football though.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 3, 2010 1:09:12 GMT
Intersting perspective, why do you say this?
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Post by cpr on Feb 3, 2010 7:06:23 GMT
Argument to say he may have got the best out of Ledesma and even Parejo. We will never know, still think Jim Magilton had us playing the best football though. What best is that? Where are they both playing now? I'll ignore the pointless Sousa drivel if you don't mind.
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Post by haqpr1963 on Feb 3, 2010 7:12:44 GMT
With rumours of a rift between chairman and manager, how long do you think Paulo will be in charge of Swansea City? Still think he will be much better abroad and will probably do very well in Portugal, Italy or Spain, his style of defending in numbers would suit his style. I would hazard a guess he will leave in the summer. What do you guys think? Toothache, interesting post. Would you like to tell us where these rumours are coming from. Why would there be a rift between Sousa and the Swansea Chairman? He has got them to their highest position for a long time. Perhaps he is used to the QPR way of doing business so finds it strange that his chairman didn't feel the need to loan out his players without his knowledge or sell of others to balance the books during the window. You seem to have suddenly found an interest in stats, which is commendable though a little late. Interesting that your view of managerial facts doesn't extend to including Ainsworth in last years mangerial stats, he was in charge for a quarter of the season after all. How well did he do? No matter what you say Swansea are well ahead of us and will probably remain so. We are now down to 14th. Are you happy with the way the club is being run? Are you happy with the set up at the club? Are you happy with the fact we are being treated like mugs by our owners? Just my OPINION....
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 3, 2010 7:16:48 GMT
I recall a few months ago, "someone" was saying how unhappy Swansea were at Sousa. And then we had a Swansea fan come and say this was totally incorrect.
Maybe "toothache" is correct - maybe there was some recent article. (I guess I let my Sousa watch slip!) But last time I looked, they seemed pretty happy at Swansea with Sousa. The caveat would be that Sousa was himself hinting at hoping for a Premiership job.
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Post by cpr on Feb 3, 2010 7:49:00 GMT
Like I said, I'll ignore the drivel about Sousa from him.
Can't you just see it now... *where is my agenda list*....*ah here it is*....*right, let's say this*....*any questions,ignore them*.....*I must stick to my guns*.
Yawn.
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Post by obk on Feb 3, 2010 8:40:19 GMT
Sousa is doing great if he walks from Swansea it will be to a better club, I'm sure if he had been allowed to stay at QPR he would have us play more attractive by now. Always make the defence work properly first, then add the flair.
But, De Canio is also doing really well and I think Sousa and De Canio were the two best manager signings by this board. If De Canio could learn some better english he would be an even better choice.
I would also say that the De Canio appointment was indeed ideal if we are going to have a DoF set up. If we are to continue with that I really think it is a must to have a manager/head coach from a country where that is the norm.
Who should be that DoF is a totally other topic and can actually be fully separate from this discussion.
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 3, 2010 8:46:18 GMT
Maybe I have selective memory, but I don't recall a lot of "anti-Decanio" stuff. The alleged "anti-Paladini motivation" of any critique: Well people can assess that assertion for themselves.
There were posts regretting our inability to hold on to a lead. When Paladini left, it came after months of press speculation about whether he would remain. There were questions about his lack of English, etc, etc. And in fact if one searches, one will actually find posts saying IF we are to have a Director of Football type situation, then should be appointing managers/Chief Coaches who accept that system.
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Post by haqpr1963 on Feb 3, 2010 8:48:14 GMT
Maybe I have selective memory, but I don't recall a lot of "anti-Decanio" stuff. The alleged "anti-Paladini motivation" of any critique: Well people can assess that assertion for themselves. There were posts regretting our inability to hold on to a lead. When Paladini left, it came after months of press speculation about whether he would remain. There were questions about his lack of English, etc, etc. And in fact if one searches, one will actually find posts saying IF we are to have a Director of Football type situation, then should be appointing managers/Chief Coaches who accept that system. If only.....
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 3, 2010 8:51:12 GMT
"Paladini" - Absolutely. And some people don't believe in Freud
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Post by w12ranger on Feb 3, 2010 9:01:34 GMT
With rumours of a rift between chairman and manager, how long do you think Paulo will be in charge of Swansea City? Still think he will be much better abroad and will probably do very well in Portugal, Italy or Spain, his style of defending in numbers would suit his style. I would hazard a guess he will leave in the summer. What do you guys think? Destined for the Premiership next 12 months.....next question.
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Post by toboboly on Feb 3, 2010 10:33:04 GMT
Hahahahaha!
Toothache is a load of ballache!
What a mistimed, unbelievable font of misinformation you are! A) Where are these supposed differences regarding Sousa? B) His record at QPR isn't particularly appalling especially when considered in the light of history hen he will be remembered as the one that got away and what could have been. He will also be remembered as the poor sod who had players transferred from under his nose and had to put up with the incompetance and hostility of Paladini. Who in turn will go down in history as a Cancer on the club who, despite support from a minority of lackeys, was forced from the club, along with them, as the club waded deeper and deeper into a relegation battle.
Of course if you ever come up with any proof to anything that you assert is "true" then I am more than happy to listen. Unfortunately for you whenever you claim something is gospel you can never back it up or when someone confronts you with actual fact you disappear.
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Post by klr on Feb 3, 2010 11:01:11 GMT
Better job than Martinez with a weaker squad. Doesnt take a brain surgeon to work it out does it ? One of the best up & coming coaches in Europe, absolute class act.
Hang your heads in shame you scumbags.
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Post by eastpaddoknutta on Feb 3, 2010 11:07:29 GMT
qprreport I'm sure you did. I could never work out why so many admired paulo Sousa, then by process of elimination you just look at the anti GP posters and you will see a love and admiration of the grey haired one from Portugal. The admiration was definitely not for his style of football or his win ratio which was around 25%. omg toothache you realy no jack you must have been watching last season with your eyes closed! we looked fantastic under sousa ure to in denial to admit it to be honest (you are entiltled to your opinion) and i understand you on the 25% win ratio but answer me this do you know swanseas current statistics and can you answer why sousas swansea are where they are in the table and how they got there? obviously not as you see the 25% as a deciding factor to make your opinion! ill give you an opinion of someone who hasnt been to swanser neither went to swansea v qpr sousas has got and idea with his style of football which doesnt just build from the back and plays the ball out of defence well. swansea have a good goal differance due to the fact that havent let in many goals winning games is fantastic but i think sousa sees it as this.... winning is the objective obviously but losing is the worst case scenario which he avoids well with his decisons hes done a good job of making swansea a hard team to beat so whilst your self and other if you were involved in the hate campaign against sousa you werent watching the game and noticed we werent losing try watching the games you go to mate
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Post by scottjones on Feb 3, 2010 11:10:50 GMT
I havent read the whole thread but, in answer to the main question. Who cares? All I care about is QPR..not some welsh team who are rivals to us. Probably the only over team I care about in this division is Forest, only as they are doing their promotion charge in the "right" way
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Post by toboboly on Feb 3, 2010 11:12:09 GMT
Considering he doesn't watch Swansea I don't think Toothache should be allowed an opinion. Thats the way this fan stuff works yeah?
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Post by eastpaddoknutta on Feb 3, 2010 11:13:50 GMT
Considering he doesn't watch Swansea I don't think Toothache should be allowed an opinion. Thats the way this fan stuff works yeah? i agree i shouldnt of given my opinion as i have never been to swansea so please remove my comment scott i agree with you to fella your becoming a much more likeable guy
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